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Land Rover Vs Motorbikes in NYC

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SpatiallyAware said:
Totally false. Lien had plenty of time to react, plenty of time to stop, and shouldn't have been trying to go the same speed as the bikers considering they were blatantly obviously trying to stop the highway traffic.


If you truly think lien had no option but to rear end that first biker then I seriously question your driving skills.

Maybe you're like lien, one of these people who drive around in la-la land, not using signals, not leaving enough room, not understanding common driving laws, and are just generally a bad driver.

If you think lien could not have avoided this then you shouldn't be driving.
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:biggrin: Troll, retard or retarded troll?
 
SpatiallyAware said:
Totally false. Lien had plenty of time to react, plenty of time to stop, and shouldn't have been trying to go the same speed as the bikers considering they were blatantly obviously trying to stop the highway traffic.


If you truly think lien had no option but to rear end that first biker then I seriously question your driving skills.

Maybe you're like lien, one of these people who drive around in la-la land, not using signals, not leaving enough room, not understanding common driving laws, and are just generally a bad driver.

If you think lien could not have avoided this then you shouldn't be driving.
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thought you were moving on?
 
These bikers endangered a 2 year old with assaulting the SUV, flying plexi glass from breaking the window and kicking at the car door including the back seat where the toddler was strapped in. Nothing can justify this shameful behavior and all of them getting life in prison is not to much. Most of all the disgraced cop.
In the world of the Emergency Department, we call them donor cycles.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
Look, I have said from the get go that lien LEGALLY did nothing wrong. I'm not at all defending the bikers either.

All I'm saying is legal or not, lien got himself into this situation either by intentionally mowing down that biker OR by not paying enough attention while driving.

I still think lien should be forced to take defensive driving courses. Even with the biker slowing down in front of him he had plenty of time to stop, had he been aware of his surroundings.


But, I've made my point, you all have shrieked your point, so let's just agree to disagree and move on.
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Still being clueless and blaming the victim, eh? 🙁 Got himself into this situation? Are you for real or you are losing your freaking mind?


1. Intentionally mowing down? Again, who has a long sheet rap of many years of law breaking, illegal driving, violently assaulting other drivers? The bikers or Lien?

Bikers fault = 1, Lien fault = 0

1. Lien was in his own lane, the biker moved onto Lien's lane then suddendly stopped/slow down for no reason because no one/nothing was in front of him. Who was not paying attention again? Biker fault = 2, Lien fault = 0

Do you get it now or I am going too fast for you? BTW, it is "Lien", not "lien".
 
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Just read another article.

I love this:

Cruz, since his arrest on reckless endangerment and other charges, has insisted he looked over at the driver only to change lanes and didn't deliberately slow down. He didn't see any prior interaction that may have happened between the SUV and the motorcyclists, said his attorney, H. Benjamin Perez. Cruz waited on the highway for police when other riders chased after Lien, Perez said.
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I thought his original story was that he was looking for a friend? Also, must be the worst driver in the world if that slow down wasn't deliberate.

Of course the article does say that Allred has some mystery evidence no one else has that proves Lien ran into other bikers before the video apparently making the actions of the bikers okay.
 
Svnla said:
More information about the cowardice soon to be ex cop, talk about great character:



http://nypost.com/2013/10/09/meet-the-cop-arrested-in-biker-gang-attack/


Pictures of the cockroach = http://www.ibtimes.com/who-wojciech...part-nyc-biker-gang-assault-suv-driver-photos
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Here's hoping this roach gets charged/fired. Bugs like these join IAB primarily because it's the quickest way to go up the paygrade to detective, not because they actually want to clean up any internal illegal activities.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
Maybe you're like lien, one of these people who drive around in la-la land, not using signals, not leaving enough room, not understanding common driving laws, and are just generally a bad driver.
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The behavior you're describing is that of the bikers. We have plenty of evidence to support that. We have not seen any evidence that Lien is driving as you described.

Heck, Cruz, when he moved into Lien's lane, did not signal. Who's the bad driver again?
 
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Updates about the case:


Sims is one of seven people who face charges in the melee.

Authorities, who have appealed for the public's help in identifying people in photos, haven't ruled out more arrests or charges.
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7 on 1? Funny how they are hiding like cockroaches and rats that they are, nowhere to be found. Not so badass and tough now, eh?


And to a few that continue to blame the victim:

According to Assistant District Attorney Samantha Turino, motorcyclists heading north on Manhattan's West Side Highway "were driving recklessly, ... obstructing vehicle traffic, running red lights, swerving between lanes" when one of them, later identified as Christopher Cruz, quickly slowed down in front of Lien, the SUV driver.

Lien's vehicle bumped Cruz's rear tire, slightly injuring him.
The Range Rover then pulled to a stop, at which point angry bikers surrounded his vehicle, hit it and spiked its tires, police said.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/11/us/bikers-attack-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 
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Svnla said:
Updates about the case:




7 on 1? That's a gang.


And to a few that continue to blame the victim:


http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/11/us/bikers-attack-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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These clowns are fvcked. There were tons of police calls, and they are all over video now, plus existing records to pile it on. In the case of the cops hopefully they will lose their jobs, at which point they go making sandwiches for the rest of their life and lose that fat pay check and benies.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
Look, I have said from the get go that lien LEGALLY did nothing wrong. I'm not at all defending the bikers either.

All I'm saying is legal or not, lien got himself into this situation either by intentionally mowing down that biker OR by not paying enough attention while driving.

I still think lien should be forced to take defensive driving courses. Even with the biker slowing down in front of him he had plenty of time to stop, had he been aware of his surroundings.


But, I've made my point, you all have shrieked your point, so let's just agree to disagree and move on.
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You still think he ran over that biker. WRONG. He only bumped the tire. Then he was surrounded and atacked. Then he had to run over A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BIKER to get away (a biker that intentionally placed himself in front of the SUV to trap him). He only ran over ONE BIKER and that was AFTER he was being attacked. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD.
 
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Totally bikers fault here. Even if Lien was out of line before there was no authority for the bikers to do what they did. These bikers only found the balls to gang up on a single car driver because they were riding together recklessly without regard to our traffic laws or common courtesy. They wouldn't get the balls to chase after someone if it was just one biker.
 
Doppel said:
These clowns are fvcked. There were tons of police calls, and they are all over video now, plus existing records to pile it on. In the case of the cops hopefully they will lose their jobs, at which point they go making sandwiches for the rest of their life and lose that fat pay check and benies.
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Hope they all pay the piper for the 2 year old child endangerment.
 
obviously Allred is going to direct the jury's attention to exhibit A where the 2 year taunted the bikers with her pacifier

the NYPD should let the real motorcycle clubs madmax these other enthusiasts
 
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I wonder how much this is going to cost Alexa Lien in court and settlement costs...

$500k?

Over $1m?

Will his insurance pay or will they fuck him. Was all it all worth potentially losing all that money and getting his ass kicked? Me thinks not.
 
openwheel said:
Totally bikers fault here. Even if Lien was out of line before there was no authority for the bikers to do what they did. These bikers only found the balls to gang up on a single car driver because they were riding together recklessly without regard to our traffic laws or common courtesy. They wouldn't get the balls to chase after someone if it was just one biker.
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And that right there is what will cost him dearly. As every day goes by it looks less and less like he'll be charged. But, man oh man, will he be fucked in civil court. Some things are just not worth it. Mr. Lien should've been smarter than this considering he had his entire family in the car.
 
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