Land Rover Vs Motorbikes in NYC

[Ns1]

What would *you* do if you were surrounded by a mob and someone tries to open the door with your child in the car?

Invite them to afternoon tea and scones like any other civilized american.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

you know range rover dealers all over the world are quietly telling potential customers:

"even with slashed tires, that range rover did its job marvelously. had the owner stayed out of downtown traffic, he and his family would not have been scratched. for the possibility of being stopped in downtown traffic, there are armoring options that would have continued to protect them."

i have to guess rr is looking into why the doors had been unlocked, and will address that shortly.

 

[snoozing]

the one interesting thing is that the video in the original OP starts the way it did. if there was an altercation prior or something that led to their "justified" brake checking, wouldn't they upload the full video?

 

[Phoenix86]

The minute someone tries to open my door to get me out and I have my child in there, all bets are off.

It's amazing you and DVC don't see that.

What would *you* do if you were surrounded by a mob and someone tries to open the door with your child in the car?

Thank them for opening the door?

I wouldn't tip them... Wait, is this is a tipping thread now? 😡

 

[The Boston Dangler]

the one interesting thing is that the video in the original OP starts the way it did. if there was an altercation prior or something that led to their "justified" brake checking, wouldn't they upload the full video?

i think "retaliatory" would be a better word than "justified". "suicidal" would be another.

 

[spacejamz]

That is just bullshit on how many of them blow through red lights like that in their videos...

Too bad that none of them were ever t-boned by a car that had a green light...even though that would royally suck for the car driver....

 

[The Boston Dangler]

That is just bullshit on how many of them blow through red lights like that in their videos...

Too bad that none of them were ever t-boned by a car that had a green light...even though that would royally suck for the car driver....

watch the liveleak videos - bike lane, sidewalk, parking lot....it's all fair game.

 

[spacejamz]

watch the liveleak videos - bike lane, sidewalk, parking lot....it's all fair game.

the red light ones though are just fvcked up...they don't even slow down before the intersection...that just seems like a pretty big gamble to take...do they they are fast enough to avoid a car that came through at normal speed?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The minute someone tries to open my door to get me out and I have my child in there, all bets are off.

It's amazing you and DVC don't see that.

What would *you* do if you were surrounded by a mob and someone tries to open the door with your child in the car?

What do you mean we don't see that? All I am focused on is whether the RR driver did anything wrong in the first place to start this whole chain of events. I am not second-guessing his actions in trying to get away from the bikers, except to the (unknown) extent he started the whole mess. As I have said repeatedly, I think the bikers are mostly and probably entirely at fault - I just don't think we have a complete set of data to draw final conclusions on that.

 

[nixium]

What do you mean we don't see that? All I am focused on is whether the RR driver did anything wrong in the first place to start this whole chain of events. I am not second-guessing his actions in trying to get away from the bikers, except to the (unknown) extent he started the whole mess. As I have said repeatedly, I think the bikers are mostly and probably entirely at fault - I just don't think we have a complete set of data to draw final conclusions on that.

I fail to see how that makes the difference, really.

Let's say he did "start the whole mess" by brushing or touching a bike (since we know that no other injuries happened apart from the two well known, and nobody has come forward with such claims, it was not serious, IF it did happen)

Now that we've established that if there was an accident, it wasn't serious, that does NOT give a blank check for the biker gang to assault him, which is what slashing tires/trying to open a door indicates.

 

[xanis]

Speaking of bike lanes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ

 

[spacejamz]

What do you mean we don't see that? All I am focused on is whether the RR driver did anything wrong in the first place to start this whole chain of events. I am not second-guessing his actions in trying to get away from the bikers, except to the (unknown) extent he started the whole mess. As I have said repeatedly, I think the bikers are mostly and probably entirely at fault - I just don't think we have a complete set of data to draw final conclusions on that.

if the RR driver had instigated something earlier, based on the history of those motorcycle gangs, they would have been beating the shit out of the SUV, not just one guy trying to brake check him. See what happened after they caught up to him after he ran the first guy over? I think it would be safe to say that would have been their reaction if the RR driver had done something earlier...

 

[BeeBoop]

i fail to see how that makes the difference, really.

Let's say he did "start the whole mess" by brushing or touching a bike (since we know that no other injuries happened apart from the two well known, and nobody has come forward with such claims, it was not serious, if it did happen)

now that we've established that if there was an accident, it wasn't serious, that does not give a blank check for the biker gang to assault him, which is what slashing tires/trying to open a door indicates.

agree!

 

[2timer]

The minute someone tries to open my door to get me out and I have my child in there, all bets are off.

It's amazing you and DVC don't see that.

What would *you* do if you were surrounded by a mob and someone tries to open the door with your child in the car?

Like in the situation at 5:00? Simple, I would drive away and call the police, just like he did. Not faulting him at all for that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Speaking of bike lanes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ

LOL

 

[spidey07]

Like in the situation at 5:00? Simple, I would drive away and call the police, just like he did. Not faulting him at all for that.

Once someone tries to enter or forcibly open/enter your occupied vehicle any level of force is automatically justified including deadly. Even if your weapon is your car.

 

[spidey07]

What do you mean we don't see that? All I am focused on is whether the RR driver did anything wrong in the first place to start this whole chain of events. I am not second-guessing his actions in trying to get away from the bikers, except to the (unknown) extent he started the whole mess. As I have said repeatedly, I think the bikers are mostly and probably entirely at fault - I just don't think we have a complete set of data to draw final conclusions on that.

What on earth in your mind could possibly justify the actions of the criminal thugs? What in the world could excuse what they did? What??!! You think obviously the driver obviously did something to deserve it, so what could that be?

Stop supporting criminal thugs!

 

[rh71]

i have to guess rr is looking into why the doors had been unlocked, and will address that shortly.

My X5 (and maybe most electronic shifter BMWs?) will automatically shift to park if the doors are open so if that were me I would've been SOL the instant they pulled that door open the 2nd time they stopped him. Really, why wasn't the door locked??? Most cars can do that after a set speed if enabled (no reason not to have it enabled).

Also, if you have good tint, the windows don't break apart so easily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN1TnQtRUfw He could've had a green light by then.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Share the road. Taking the lane is the safest option for a cyclist when the lane is of a substandard width.

Steps for dealing with a cyclist:

1) woosa
2) change lanes
3) pass

<-- cyclist and driver

When cyclists take up the lane, it's often 1 lane each direction with a solid yellow line. That makes the cyclist an ass, and they should either get on the shoulder, or take another route. I have little tolerance for cyclists blocking traffic.

I grew up in Lancaster, PA with tons of Amish horse buggies around. Same logic was applied to them when they blocked traffic. Except they're harder to pass, and state law didn't require them to put crap catcher bags on the horses. So you learn a term, "road apples" - a road apple is a turd from a horse. They usually come in bunches of 5-10 at a time. So I rank Amish as being worse than cyclists...at least cyclists don't crap on the road.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

My X5 (and maybe all BMWs?) will automatically shift to park if the doors are open so if that were me I would've been SOL the instant they pulled that door open the 2nd time they stopped him.

Can you manually engage Drive after it's automatically shifted to park? Regardless, shifting to Park when the doors open is a terrible idea. Neutral may be a better idea, but Park? Sheesh....

 

[rh71]

Can you manually engage Drive after it's automatically shifted to park? Regardless, shifting to Park when the doors open is a terrible idea. Neutral may be a better idea, but Park? Sheesh....

No it's a computer selection (the stick always go back to center no matter the gear) so you have to shut the door. I guess in the engineers' eyes, there's no real reason to have a door open and have the car move. But I have seen people complain about it because they may open the door a bit to stick their head out to back into a spot. Very few good reasons to have the car moving when the door is ajar. Plus they like to over-engineer everything. Hell my glovebox is electric.

 

[JulesMaximus]

My X5 (and maybe most electronic shifter BMWs?) will automatically shift to park if the doors are open so if that were me I would've been SOL the instant they pulled that door open the 2nd time they stopped him. Really, why wasn't the door locked??? Most cars can do that after a set speed if enabled (no reason not to have it enabled).

Also, if you have good tint, the windows don't break apart so easily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN1TnQtRUfw He could've had a green light by then.

Mine lock automatically when I shift the transmission into reverse or drive and don't unlock unless I put it in park or manually unlock the door/doors.

 

[Incorruptible]

There are a few true things you can establish from the video:

1) At 5:00, a biker jumps off his motorcycle and attempts to open the door of the RR, while another biker sits on his motorcycle about 10 feet in front of the RR. When the 1st biker opens the door, the RR accelerates forward. He actually swerves to avoid hitting the 2nd biker sitting in front of him. That much is clear.

If the RR driver was a violent thug himself, he would have probably ran straight over that 2nd guy. But he didn't, so that speaks a lot for his intentions. I really believe he was only trying to flee the situation at that point, not intentionally hurt anyone.

2) At the end of it all they drag the RR driver out of his vehicle and beat him brutally. This doesn't necessarily indict the bikers as thugs, though, because at that point the RR driver had run over and seriously injured one of their friends, but it does mean that they are extremely stupid. If the bikers had any common sense, they would have called the police in at that point and let them handle the situation. Instead they decided to end it with violence, which only gives the RR driver that much more justification for his actions.

At this point I feel like, while being paralyzed is tragic, the bikers did nothing to dispel their guilt, but the RR driver certainly did. It's a tragedy but I cannot lay the blame for that on the driver of the RR.

Just checked the video again and he does swerve to avoid hitting the biker. The driver clearly didn't want to hurt anyone and just wanted to get away. The mom and wife of Edwin Meeze think the driver was wrong but I don't think they watched the full video.

And why didn't the video show the whole thing including how it started and the ending of the assault, they wanted to make the bikers look innocent.

When the driver ran over Meeze was Meeze actually attacking the RR or just standing in front?

 

[Ns1]

When cyclists take up the lane, it's often 1 lane each direction with a solid yellow line. That makes the cyclist an ass, and they should either get on the shoulder, or take another route. I have little tolerance for cyclists blocking traffic.

I'm more sympathetic to drivers in that case but it's not a matter of how many lanes, it's a matter of "I don't wanna die"

To a cyclist, it's better to be a breathing asshole than a considerate corpse.

Also, when a cyclist has to take a lane in a "1 lane each direction with a solid yellow line" route, it's often because they have no other viable route. It's not fun for the cyclist either.

 

[lupi]

Mine lock automatically when I shift the transmission into reverse or drive and don't unlock unless I put it in park or manually unlock the door/doors.

hmm, not sure what mine does. I know they don't lock until I'm driving (~10mph?). I know they also unlock at some point, but not sure when. Will need to remember to pay attention to that tomorrow.