Land Rover Vs Motorbikes in NYC

[JulesMaximus]

You take the fun out of giving people a hard time.

You must be a cyclist.

:biggrin: Guilty as charged.

I am both a cyclist and a motorcyclist. I am not like the douchebags in this story though.

 

[Incorruptible]

Re-read what he wrote.

I still agree with him. If it was me these punks would have been run over and I would be chasing them. When your life is in danger like that you can't take any BS from them.

There is vid online of the guy who was run over driving like a total fuck in public roads. Also a record of terrible driving.

The biggest mistake the SUV guy made was not reversing when cornered and putting more of these idiots under his vehicle. When severely out umbered as he was he is given wide berth on what he can do to escape a lynch mob.

I still don't understand why he didn't reverse since he could have reversed and taken out those thugs.

 

[Svnla]

The wife of the guy with broken back is now saying he is the victim:

"When all the bikers stopped, my husband got out, parked his bike to walk over to try to help his friend," she said. "He walked over towards the front of the vehicle when, at this point, I don't know what happened: the man was scared, the man just peeled off and ran over my husband."

Anyone buys her story? I don't know about you but I don't park my vehicle in front of a SUV in the middle of the street then gang up with my buddies and surround the SUV to "help" others.

Plus with his many years history of law breaking, why should we believe her story now?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

so, want to bet the chief of nyc police will authorize vehicular impact for apprehending the next rolling mob?

 

[RampantAndroid]

Cycling on sidewalks and in crosswalks is legal in Washington.

Shitty drivers should pay attention when turning across a crosswalk. That includes checking for approaching pedestrians and cyclists on the sidewalk. It's not difficult.

That said, some cyclists seem to chronically overestimate the competence and attentiveness of other road users. Entering an intersection at speed is dangerous regardless of who has the right-of-way.

(1) No person shall ride a bicycle upon a sidewalk in a business district.

They don't obey this. Moreover, how the hell can you watch for a bicycle going down a hill at 20 MPH? You clear your mirror, you look and you start to go and suddenly...bicycle. And I stand by the comment that bicycles on the road treat a walk sign as a green light. It isn't for them, they're on the road.

 

[RampantAndroid]

The risk for all of these types of accidents can be greatly reduced if a cyclist is assertive and uses their entire lane (as opposed to riding in the shoulder).

Yes, encourage cyclists to block traffic, great way to make cyclists popular. Great idea.

 

[rpsgc]

If only some upstanding citizens would take some mighty powerful trucks, enter the same highway as these cretins (but wrong-way so they face them), occupy all lanes side-by-side and then just floor the accelerator and flatten them all.

One can dream...

 

[Via]

Hey - I'm not one who condones violence.

But a few more of these incidents might finally put a stop to this pack-riding, intimidation garbage.

I don't mind motorcyclists riding in groups. It's crap like purposely surrounding your vehicle that crosses the line imo.

 

[Schfifty Five]

The wife of the guy with broken back is now saying he is the victim:



Anyone buys her story? I don't know about you but I don't park my vehicle in front of a SUV in the middle of the street then gang up with my buddies and surround the SUV to "help" others.

Plus with his many years history of law breaking, why should we believe her story now?

I don't buy her story at all. And if that is true, and he is a "victim" (I use it loosely), then wife should be blaming the gang of bikers and not the SUV driver. Bottom line is that the reason for his injuries is due to the biker gang harassing others and breaking the law.

 

[PottedMeat]

it's one thing to plow through a mob in fear of your life

I still don't understand why he didn't reverse since he could have reversed and taken out those thugs.

because that would be murder?

 

[Incorruptible]

it's one thing to plow through a mob in fear of your life



because that would be murder?

They were attacking him though and watch the video and you see the two guys break his window. If he had reversed and ran them over I don't think he would face charges since he isn't facing any charges for running them over earlier.

 

[ichy]

Glad to see that the SUV driver is ok and that the one biker thug is going to be paralyzed. I guess that the thug life isn't so cool now, is it Jay Meezee?

 

[2timer]

Those bikers that approach are probably yelling vulgarities at the family and [maybe] start the smash onto the SUV with their helmets and fists denting it in several places. One of the biker's takes out a knife and slashes the front left tire.

We actually don't have concrete evidence yet that this happened when the bikers surrounded the vehicle, so before you draw conclusions about the "sequence of events" remember that these are so far only assumptions. They may or may not have happened, and it'd be a mistake to declare something true before you have concrete evidence of it.

 

[Schfifty Five]

We actually don't have concrete evidence yet that this happened when the bikers surrounded the vehicle, so before you draw conclusions about the "sequence of events" remember that these are so far only assumptions. They may or may not have happened, and it'd be a mistake to declare something true before you have concrete evidence of it.

Well, I can confidently say that those bikers were out to cause trouble and I believe when they surrounded the SUV during the initial stop, they were harassing the driver and his family in some form or fashion.

 

[2timer]

Well, I can confidently say that those bikers were out to cause trouble and I believe when they surrounded the SUV during the initial stop, they were harassing the driver and his family in some form or fashion.

There is a difference between something that is only harassing and something that is life-endangering, though. For example a bunch of rowdy Dodgers fans yelling at Giants fans is harassment, but does that give them the right to run them over with a vehicle?

Point is, I still think we need to have more evidence about what actually took place between the bikers and the Range Rover before he gunned the gas. Did they actually attack and menace his vehicle? I kind of think that unless a weapon was actually drawn, one biker banging on the Rover with his fist wouldn't be grounds for his response at that point.

Living in NYC, I'm sure many people have angrily pounded on the outside of a car with their fist. Does that mean the driver of the car then has the legal right to run them over? It's ridiculous to make that argument based on fist pounding alone. It would be a much different story if more than one biker was actually pounding and if a knife was actually drawn. I just don't see that happening in the video yet.

 

[Svnla]

We actually don't have concrete evidence yet that this happened when the bikers surrounded the vehicle, so before you draw conclusions about the "sequence of events" remember that these are so far only assumptions. They may or may not have happened, and it'd be a mistake to declare something true before you have concrete evidence of it.

We have two sides:

1. A married father driving his family members in his SUV, minding his business. BTW, he is an executive of an e-commerce firm.

2. A group of bikers with a well documented history of hot dogging, traffic law breaking, attacking other drivers, and so on (see my link and other links from other posters above). Also, the biker with the broken back does not have a valid license and has at least 16 tickets for the last few years. The idiot that started the whole thing did brake check the SUV for no reason.

Which side do you think is more than likely to pick a fight?

 

[2timer]

Which side do you think is more than likely to pick a fight?

Sure it's more likely that the bikers picked a fight. Only thing is, we don't yet know what kind of fight they picked, and whether running over them with a vehicle was an appropriate response. If they threatened the Range Rover's life, then I am all for a necessary response, but nobody knows for sure yet if his life was threatened before he chose to step on the gas and plow through. Until the facts are established, we can only make assumptions.

 

[Mai72]

If I was the SUV driver I would have ran over everyone!
Self-Defense! ()🙂

 

[Ns1]

Yes, encourage cyclists to block traffic, great way to make cyclists popular. Great idea.

Share the road. Taking the lane is the safest option for a cyclist when the lane is of a substandard width.

Steps for dealing with a cyclist:

1) woosa
2) change lanes
3) pass

<-- cyclist and driver

 

[SheHateMe]

Jay Meezes wasn't even allowed on the road. Also, he and his Motorcycle crew deleted all of the youtube videos they took prior to the altercation.....videos that show these knuckleheads running red lights and riding between cars on the highway.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664

Did anyone mention the bikers were black? That also had something to do with it

Latino, you mean. Some of them were black. It was a mixed group.

 

[PliotronX]

The SUV driver should have plowed through the median or used the terrain to his advantage then he wouldn't have even had to speed to get away. Or live in an area that allows CCW. Trying to out run motorcycles on a straight-way... wow. [/captainhindsight]

 

[darkswordsman17]

The SUV driver should have plowed through the median or used the terrain to his advantage then he wouldn't have even had to speed to get away. Or live in an area that allows CCW. Trying to out run motorcycles on a straight-way... wow. [/captainhindsight]

🙄

You're right, because motorcycles can't go over medians, especially not dirt bikes.

Yep, he should've moved his family to an area where he could carry a gun, just for cases like this. Nevermind that the bikers would have been just as likely to be carrying, so I'm sure that'd be the best way to protect his wife and baby is to try and fire on a mob of bikers. I'm surprised the SUV driver wasn't shot, as shitbags like these strike me as the type to also be carrying without permits. Hell some probably were but realizing they had numbers on their side would rather beat the guy bloody instead of just shooting him.

Guy did the smart thing, he just fucked up when he didn't pop it in reverse or maneuver when they caught up to him.

 

[PliotronX]

🙄

You're right, because motorcycles can't go over medians, especially not dirt bikes.

Yep, he should've moved his family to an area where he could carry a gun, just for cases like this. Nevermind that the bikers would have been just as likely to be carrying, so I'm sure that'd be the best way to protect his wife and baby is to try and fire on a mob of bikers. I'm surprised the SUV driver wasn't shot, as shitbags like these strike me as the type to also be carrying without permits. Hell some probably were but realizing they had numbers on their side would rather beat the guy bloody instead of just shooting him.

Guy did the smart thing, he just fucked up when he didn't pop it in reverse or maneuver when they caught up to him.

It would have immediately thinned out the herd. How many dirt bikes or dual sport bikes do you see? Secondly, pulling out a gun in self defense would have thinned the herd even further making the situation more manageable. Had his family been the target he would have failed miserably at exploiting ways to protect them effectively.

 

[rh71]

so, want to bet the chief of nyc police will authorize vehicular impact for apprehending the next rolling mob?

I just hope to have a dash cam by then so I can prove it was self defense.

Come to think of it, maybe a dash cam would be a good deterrent in the first place. Make it obvious.

 

[waggy]

It would have immediately thinned out the herd. How many dirt bikes or dual sport bikes do you see? Secondly, pulling out a gun in self defense would have thinned the herd even further making the situation more manageable. Had his family been the target he would have failed miserably at exploiting ways to protect them effectively.

i would say half of what i swa were dirt bikes and a bunch of quad's. hell even a cbr can go across a median.