Lancet Retracts Study Tying Child Vaccine to Autism

[AyashiKaibutsu]

It's not, but good wikipedia articles will cite legit sources which are very reliable. The article in question cites a number of legit scientific journals.

First rule of knowing how to use wikipedia is to never talk about how to use wikipedia.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Look, if they're screaming or running down the halls or counting everything as loud as possible, I'm obviously not going to say anything. They're not hurting anything. But when they're violent (and look up the symptoms of the disease, violent outbursts are not uncommon) then they don't belong in public settings. End of story. Just because it's sad doesn't mean the public at large should make unreasonable accommodations for them.

So because an autistic child is prone to outbursts, he/she should be locked away preventing social interaction which is exactly what they need, because they lack the skills OF social interaction???
Go f yourself.
As a father of a severely autistic child, I will never seclude her from the public and keep her locked away so you can feel better about yourself. How is an autistic child having an outburst any different from a "normal" child having an outburst, or hell and Adult? I've seen plenty of adults that hit people, and do stupid shit to random strangers because they think it's funny. Who's going to lock them all up to protect society? Or do you feel it necissary to squander and sequester a persons rights because it might affect you in some way?
They have every right to be in public as you do.

 

[Agentbolt]

So because an autistic child is prone to outbursts, he/she should be locked away preventing social interaction which is exactly what they need, because they lack the skills OF social interaction???
Go f yourself.
As a father of a severely autistic child, I will never seclude her from the public and keep her locked away so you can feel better about yourself. How is an autistic child having an outburst any different from a "normal" child having an outburst, or hell and Adult? I've seen plenty of adults that hit people, and do stupid shit to random strangers because they think it's funny. Who's going to lock them all up to protect society? Or do you feel it necissary to squander and sequester a persons rights because it might affect you in some way?
They have every right to be in public as you do.

Wow, compelling argument. If an ADULT hits a stranger, they go to jail, genius. If a kid large enough to do some damage when they hit/attack someone (as in, not in a 5 year old) goes after someone, they go to juvie. Why? Because they know better than to do that. That is without a doubt the dumbest analogy I've ever heard.

An autistic kid isn't the same. They don't know any better. So i have no idea why you're comparing the two. If your kid is prone to violent outbursts where they might assault someone, then yeah, no, they don't have the same right to be in public that a normal person does. They're a danger to themselves and others.

It's pretty telling that you think your kid's "right" to be in public overrides everyone else's right to not worry about some screaming, mentally disturbed teenager going apeshit on them for no reason.

 

[Nik]

Not political news though.

Do yo understand the concept of an ampersand?

 

[highland145]

Aren't these the scientists that work for the IPCC?

 

[Nik]

I thought you swore off being the "wrong forum" police.

I thought you swore off being a passive aggressive piece of shit.

 

[Theb]

So because an autistic child is prone to outbursts, he/she should be locked away preventing social interaction which is exactly what they need, because they lack the skills OF social interaction???
Go f yourself.
As a father of a severely autistic child, I will never seclude her from the public and keep her locked away so you can feel better about yourself. How is an autistic child having an outburst any different from a "normal" child having an outburst, or hell and Adult? I've seen plenty of adults that hit people, and do stupid shit to random strangers because they think it's funny. Who's going to lock them all up to protect society? Or do you feel it necissary to squander and sequester a persons rights because it might affect you in some way?
They have every right to be in public as you do.

I'm all for Autistic kids being out and socializing as long as if they have violent tendencies they are medicated or otherwise controlled enough to be safe.

 

[Nik]

I'm all for [kids in general] being out and socializing as long as if they have violent tendencies they are medicated or otherwise controlled enough to be safe.

fixed

 

[Train]

The original study, involving 11 boys and one girl aged 10 and under,

Wait, wut? 21 kids total? And it got published? WTF, Studies of this kind are supposed to use tens of thousads of kids in thier sample. Shit, ESPECIALLY when your gonna make an earth shaking claim like a vaccine everyone gets causes autism.

 

[rockyct]

Whatever fuzzy connection between vaccines and autism, there's a far greater risk in losing the herd immunity of some nasty stuff.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health...alth-TopStories+(News+-+Health+-+Top+Stories)

If one parents skips some vaccines, it's not a big deal, but it's a problem when pseudo science is making that number high enough that we begin to loose the herd immunity.

 

[Blackjack200]

Wait, wut? 21 kids total? And it got published? WTF, Studies of this kind are supposed to use tens of thousads of kids in thier sample. Shit, ESPECIALLY when your gonna make an earth shaking claim like a vaccine everyone gets causes autism.

IIRC it was widely criticized almost as soon as it was published.

 

[mchammer187]

So because an autistic child is prone to outbursts, he/she should be locked away preventing social interaction which is exactly what they need, because they lack the skills OF social interaction???
Go f yourself.
As a father of a severely autistic child, I will never seclude her from the public and keep her locked away so you can feel better about yourself. How is an autistic child having an outburst any different from a "normal" child having an outburst, or hell and Adult? I've seen plenty of adults that hit people, and do stupid shit to random strangers because they think it's funny. Who's going to lock them all up to protect society? Or do you feel it necissary to squander and sequester a persons rights because it might affect you in some way?
They have every right to be in public as you do.

Did you read his post.

He said he didn't care about verbal outbursts. Just kids that are prone to VIOLENT outbursts. IE something that will actually hurt someone.

I for one agree with him.

 

[Train]

IIRC it was widely criticized almost as soon as it was published.

Ya I remember the public criticism, wasnt really privvy to it at the time (didnt really care) but I assumed since it was published in a reputable journal, it at least had some sort or basis. 21 kids for a sample size is a friggin joke.

 

[darrontrask]

Ya I remember the public criticism, wasnt really privvy to it at the time (didnt really care) but I assumed since it was published in a reputable journal, it at least had some sort or basis. 21 kids for a sample size is a friggin joke.

This is the only post i will put i this thread.... But the sample size and condition of the human subjects for thimerosol human trials is a far worse example of bad science.

 

[Phoenix86]

So because an autistic child is prone to outbursts, he/she should be locked away preventing social interaction which is exactly what they need, because they lack the skills OF social interaction???
Go f yourself.
As a father of a severely autistic child, I will never seclude her from the public and keep her locked away so you can feel better about yourself. How is an autistic child having an outburst any different from a "normal" child having an outburst, or hell and Adult? I've seen plenty of adults that hit people, and do stupid shit to random strangers because they think it's funny. Who's going to lock them all up to protect society? Or do you feel it necissary to squander and sequester a persons rights because it might affect you in some way?
They have every right to be in public as you do.

They also have to follow the laws of society.

Go ahead and put a violent adult with autism in the general public, because it's their right and all. The watch them promptly get take to the police station/loony bin after they assault people.

If a child with autism is violent (like the post you quoted), and that's known, you are simply asking for trouble expressing your rights.

 

[FelixDeCat]

They also have to follow the laws of society.

Go ahead and put a violent adult with autism in the general public, because it's their right and all. The watch them promptly get take to the police station/loony bin after they assault people.

If a child with autism is violent (like the post you quoted), and that's known, you are simply asking for trouble expressing your rights.

You probably come accross them in public more often than you know. No big deal.

 

[Train]

I've been punched in the stomach by a ~14 year old HARD

I hereby nominate you for pansie of the year.

 

[waggy]

You probably come accross them in public more often than you know. No big deal.

and if they are violent then they should be arrested and confined. no big deal.

 

[waggy]

I hereby nominate you for pansie of the year.

you are nominated for ignorant poster of the year.

 

[Phoenix86]

You probably come accross them in public more often than you know. No big deal.

Children with mild/controlled autism? Sure, and it is no big deal.

Ones like Agentbold describes (prone to violent outbursts)? Well it doesn't matter if 90% of the time they aren't violent, it's the 10% you -know- is going to happen. Those children, and later adults, should probably limit their "rights to be around people" as much as possible.

Think about it like a child who isn't potty trained, they don't shit themselves all the time, but you still put them in a diaper.

 

[kalrith]

Yes, because wikipedia is 100% accurate. :sneaky:

Legit source cited on Wikipedia:

The vaccine preservative thimerosal has alternatively been hypothesized to have a possible causal role in autism. Again, no convincing evidence was found to support this claim, nor for the use of chelation therapy in autism.

 

[dullard]

I thought you swore off being a passive aggressive piece of shit.

Should I take that as a "no"?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Andrew Wakefield was exposed as a fraud a long time ago.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Wait, wut? 21 kids total? And it got published? WTF, Studies of this kind are supposed to use tens of thousads of kids in thier sample. Shit, ESPECIALLY when your gonna make an earth shaking claim like a vaccine everyone gets causes autism.

Math fail.

11 + 1 != 21

 

[waggy]

Wait, wut? 21 kids total? And it got published? WTF, Studies of this kind are supposed to use tens of thousads of kids in thier sample. Shit, ESPECIALLY when your gonna make an earth shaking claim like a vaccine everyone gets causes autism.

Math fail.

11 + 1 != 21

lol i was going to post this but couldnt get both qoutes to post. why can't we multi-quote?

edit: wtf now it does it? bah