NutBucket
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KentState
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Tell me about this 4 door with AWD Mustang or Camaro.
A better question is why not a STi or Focus RS?
tsupersonic
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^^ If you looked at who I responded to, it makes sense. I'm not saying they are direct competitors either - my point was merely stating that you can get a brand new car with about the same power. Toss some mods onto the Mustang/Camaro and you could make it even more fun. All the while more reliable than the Lancer.
I'd much rather have the Focus RS or the Golf R. The Lancer is a joke of a car
I'd much rather have the Focus RS or the Golf R. The Lancer is a joke of a car
lancer evolution is a joke of a car? if you are making that claim, you have a lot to learn about cars
monkeydelmagico
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NutBucket
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exar333
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Definitely, but it is a great car. I went the Subie route when I bought my WRX rather than the Evo, but I needed the car as a DD. If I wanted a fun AWD car and wanted to mod it and didn't mind if it was working or not sometimes, the Evo is amazing.
Is it really that bad? Gf had a 05 outlander manual, 330k km later it is almost problem free - rear diff bushing and a 3rd gear rebuild but that's her fault when she try to force her way out of a ditch. Parts can be hard to find but one reliable car.
Only problem I've had is AYC/AWC pump. Still need to take it in. They've extended the warranty on the pump to 10/100,000. I will probably pay to have it re-located to the trunk to avoid the issue in the future altogether.
tsupersonic
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Correct, non-Evo Lancer. As a car enthusiast, I also don't really care for the STI or Lancer. Sure they're interesting, but they're just not my cup of tea.
Yeah, I got a Lancer as a rental last year and it was total garbage. The EVO is obviously a totally different thing, but I can't imagine why anyone would buy the normal Lancers.
Lancers and Impreza's are two cars that make the Focus RS a harder sell. The Lancer is a craptacular car that is just plain terrible. I mean Chrysler 2006 terrible. If you haven't been in an Evo specially the IX or X. You would really think twice about someone who spent 35-40k on a "sup'ed up" one. But they are basically completely different cars that happen to be roughly the same shape. The WRX has the opposite issue. Base car is a pretty competent and decent commuter car. But the WRX is still an Impreza at heart. Performance and handling are otherworldly in comparison. But specially interior wise it's pretty much the same car with some tacky ricer things installed. It has in the past had all the same minor issues like rattling dashes and so on that its rental brother has.
So when it comes to the RS. It has to get past the intial "its a crappy econobox" portion. Then it has to prove that its not just a "modded Focus" but built like a 35k car.
I disagree. Well depends on how long the run is. For the first two years of the ST's life we were unsure if the RS was really going to make it to the states because of the mediocre ST sales. Ford actually stated publicly that more of them needed be sold for it to be worth them investing in bringing the RS over here. ST sales have been growing steadily since then. Point is that Ford needs to sell these and while their worst case scenario is selling only to people that feel they have to have an RS or ST. They are still in the business of selling cars and cars that have good sales get followups. They might be fine with the 2017 RS only selling 2k copies (the 16 was always going to be limited) but if they could sell 5k they would be happier and to do that they need people understand that it isn't a 35-40k Focus. It is a 35-40k track ready, hooligan machine, worthy of drooling, that just happens to share the shape of a Focus.
Leyawiin
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As far as EVOs go I can't speak to their reliability, but I have two (yes two) 2010 Lancer Sportbacks that I bought new in early 2011. They've been the most reliable cars I've ever owned. The five year bumper-to-bumper warranty is up on them in a month or two and I haven't had either in for anything other than a rattle in the knee air bag cover on one of them. Other than that its been nothing but regular maintenance. I wouldn't buy a Lancer today - the competition has moved way past them with the new Civic and Mazda 3, but back then it was probably the nicest looking hatchback on the market - and was dirt cheap at the Orange County dealership I got them from (like $3,500 - $4,000 less than any other compact I was looking at).
I was just at my local mitsu dealer getting a part for my evo....
anyways, they had a "final edition" on the show room for $39,XXX
anyways, they had a "final edition" on the show room for $39,XXX
Raduque
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Eh, I don't think it's THAT terrible. It has great sightlines, feels sporty and quick, the shifter is really good (manual) and the interior is nice and solid with no rattles or cheap-feeling plastics.
It does have a couple of negatives, chief among them (for me) is the clutch has zero feel. It's like pressing a light brake pedal. Other issue is the car has TONS of body roll, it rolls over farther than my F150, and scares me to take corners at speed. Despite only having about 150hp/tq it will spin the tires from a dead stop clutch drop at 5000rpm and very briefly on a 1-2 shift at same rpm. Bluetooth call audio from the stock headunit only comes out of the passenger side speakers. It also needs a spoiler.
This is a 2015, btw.
Eh, I don't think it's THAT terrible. It has great sightlines, feels sporty and quick, the shifter is really good (manual) and the interior is nice and solid with no rattles or cheap-feeling plastics.
It does have a couple of negatives, chief among them (for me) is the clutch has zero feel. It's like pressing a light brake pedal. Other issue is the car has TONS of body roll, it rolls over farther than my F150, and scares me to take corners at speed. Despite only having about 150hp/tq it will spin the tires from a dead stop clutch drop at 5000rpm and very briefly on a 1-2 shift at same rpm. Bluetooth call audio from the stock headunit only comes out of the passenger side speakers. It also needs a spoiler.
This is a 2015, btw.
I am thinking more for the life of the Lancer an not necessarily a particular year. Everyone makes fun of Chrysler still using platforms that either got developed with Merc or where their recycled offspring. But the 2005-2010 Chryslers where better than the platforms they shared with Mitsu. Well from the early 90's on. The early Eclipse clones and the Stealth were pretty good though. I am sure they would have to step it up considering the quality of just about every econobox has taken leaps and bounds in the last 5 years. A Spark/Fiesta/Dart all have miles of distance between them and lets say a mid to low trim Lancer from 2008. If they didn't adapt they would already be dead.
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