Lance Armstrong stripped of of Tour de France wins, banned for life from cycling

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randomrogue

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Bummer.

And you have to wonder about the agenda of the International Cycling Union. Why go after Lance now, so many years later? Prior to his wins in cycling, I don't think much of the American public followed cycling. Then he retires and cycling has kind of faded away from the public perception, and now with all of the legal going-ons, it's back in the news, getting attention again. Hmmm :colbert:

If they're going to go after one famous cyclist, they should go after everyone - really pull the veil back. Why pick on just one person? Especially one who has done so much charitable work - according to Wikipedia, those little yellow Livestrong bracelets has raised $325 million for the foundation. He raised $600,000 for Livestrong during his NYC Marathon run. etc. etc.

Regardless, that still doesn't justify cheating. It's like building an empire on sand...eventually you know it's going to crumble and come crashing down on you, it's just a matter of time, no matter how many layers of goodwill you hide it under. But it also seems like he's matured since then...he said he wants to focus on family instead of fighting the allegations, so at least his heart is in the right place now...publicly, anyway.

Yeah...bummer.
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It's business. SF did the same thing to Barry Bonds.
 
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randomrogue

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The case seems to be pretty strong. Backdating, leaving the testing area, as well as the tests and multiple witnesses. Just because he was sophisticated and sued everyone doesn't mean he's innocent.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it's probably a duck.

I think he's a huge piece of shit.
 
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randomrogue said:
The case seems to be pretty strong. Backdating, leaving the testing area, as well as the tests and multiple witnesses. Just because he was sophisticated and sued everyone doesn't mean he's innocent.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it's probably a duck.

I think he's a huge piece of shit.
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Yep because the tests were easy to circumvent especially those done years ago, USADA based their case around witness testimony. How could Hincapie, Andreu/Betsy, soigneur Emma O'Reilly and some other powerful witnesses have anything hanging over their heads that USADA could use as leverage to force them to testify (falsely) against Lance Armstrong. Its easy to doubt Landis since he was enmeshed in a doping scandal himself but many of the USADA witnesses were already out of the game.

I've also made comments about Armstrong Livestrong scam and I wonder if it would blow up later.
 
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Fausto

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bononos said:
Yep because the tests were easy to circumvent especially those done years ago, USADA based their case around witness testimony. How could Hincapie, Andreu/Betsy, soigneur Emma O'Reilly and some other powerful witnesses have anything hanging over their heads that USADA could use as leverage to force them to testify (falsely) against Lance Armstrong. Its easy to doubt Landis since he was enmeshed in a doping scandal himself but many of the USADA witnesses were already out of the game.

I've also made comments about Armstrong Livestrong scam and I wonder if it would blow up later.
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Civil suits are definitely coming his way. At the end of the day the whole Livestrong empire might collapse over this mess.
 
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randomrogue said:
The case seems to be pretty strong. Backdating, leaving the testing area, as well as the tests and multiple witnesses. Just because he was sophisticated and sued everyone doesn't mean he's innocent.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it's probably a duck.

I think he's a huge piece of shit.
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So you think charging someone without concrete evidence is OK? At what point is it not OK? When someone is being charged with rape? Murder?
 
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waggy

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RampantAndroid said:
So you think charging someone without concrete evidence is OK? At what point is it not OK? When someone is being charged with rape? Murder?
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UNTIL they released teh evidence i agreed. i thought it was a witch hunt. but now? fuck no. the evidence is rather clear.
 
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Miramonti

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Xecuter said:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-of-the-tour-de-france-tainted-by-doping.html

Seriously, to put this in perspective :: everyone has been doping in cycling. The best are the best because they play the game; To single out Armstrong as a doper is ignorant.

EDIT: maybe it is ok to single him out haha
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I'm glad he's been called out and proven by most accounts to have been juiced, but to label him as a pariah is ignorant. Doping was the widespread culture, and he's still proven to be the best cyclist of this era.
 
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RampantAndroid said:
Last I looked they still had no blood tests. What am I missing?
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No, they do have blood tests.

His blood composition at the beginning of a TdF showed increasing plasma (normal), and then the plasma concentration dropped (never happens). This means his red blood cells went way up...

He also tested positive for testosterone, which he fixed with a backdated prescription.
 
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Anonemous

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silverpig said:
No, they do have blood tests.

His blood composition at the beginning of a TdF showed increasing plasma (normal), and then the plasma concentration dropped (never happens). This means his red blood cells went way up...

He also tested positive for testosterone, which he fixed with a backdated prescription.
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Is there a link to this positive blood test? All I got was some people still pointing out the test done in 2005 on the Armstrong's urine from 1999 that was contaminated with sloppy lab work (but since Armstrong was the Don of UCI and could squash all positive tests who knows).

http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/1...ers-dilemma-of-doping-in-professional-sports/

A laboratory tested Lance Armstrong’s urine in 2005 and found traces of the banned substance erythropoietin (EPO). What’s interesting is that the urine sample tested wasn’t from 2005…. It was from 1999. Back then, there weren’t any good tests for EPO in urine...Armstrong was later cleared (the lab procedures were sloppy), but I don’t think people understood the real ramifications of the episode: Testing can go back in time
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So from http://www.businessinsider.com/how-lance-armstrong-never-tested-positive-2012-10, they say he never tested positive but here is was how he avoided detection. Looks like they never got a positive test just speculation on how he avoided a positive along with testimony of people that got caught.

From all these articles it seems that Armstrong controlled everything in the cycling world from the UCI to the drug testing agencies. With his empire he could control all of his test results. Heck they are even investigating the UCI now for any collusion in the cover up of the tests.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/usatoday/...=sportsmod?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|p
 
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Fausto

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I bet this guy feels pretty stupid right about now.

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LookBehindYou

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PottedMeat said:
i bet he felt pretty stupid when he got it - that's an awful tattoo.
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This. Who the fuck would get a tattoo like that? Even if it was done by the best tattoo artest in the world and was essentially a photograph of Lance, it'd still be a retarded tattoo.
 
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silverpig said:
No, they do have blood tests.

His blood composition at the beginning of a TdF showed increasing plasma (normal), and then the plasma concentration dropped (never happens). This means his red blood cells went way up...

He also tested positive for testosterone, which he fixed with a backdated prescription.
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Well if those are actual tests and there's nothing funny about it...then vacate his titles. One more reason to not give two shits about sports...
 
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Anonemous said:
Is there a link to this positive blood test? All I got was some people still pointing out the test done in 2005 on the Armstrong's urine from 1999 that was contaminated with sloppy lab work (but since Armstrong was the Don of UCI and could squash all positive tests who knows).

http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/1...ers-dilemma-of-doping-in-professional-sports/



So from http://www.businessinsider.com/how-lance-armstrong-never-tested-positive-2012-10, they say he never tested positive but here is was how he avoided detection. Looks like they never got a positive test just speculation on how he avoided a positive along with testimony of people that got caught.

From all these articles it seems that Armstrong controlled everything in the cycling world from the UCI to the drug testing agencies. With his empire he could control all of his test results. Heck they are even investigating the UCI now for any collusion in the cover up of the tests.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/usatoday/...=sportsmod?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|p
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Yes. It was posted in this thread:

http://espn.go.com/photo/preview/!pdfs/121010/espn_reasoned_decision.pdf
 
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