Lance Armstrong Positif!

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MaverikV
I was in Europe recently. I am by no means the kind of American the world pictures when they picture an American. I speak fluent French and am 1/3 french. I am moderate both concerning politics and general life. I am rather calm and mild mannered. I can safely say that 99% of the people I met there were nothing but rude to me. Also, Paris was filthy. Most of the French bashing that goes on is ignorant, but from personal experience, I have absolutely no qualms with telling the entirety of modern day France to go fsck itself.

Normally, I'm the first to French bash (cause it's fun) but to be fair, did you get out of Paris while you were there?

Paris is a sewer, but much of the rest of France is very nice and the people are MUCH nicer. Paris is the LAST place you really want to go when you see France.

 

[nCred]

Originally posted by: C'DaleRider
I find it odd that Armstrong, if this is actually correct, had access to something that would effectively hide the EPO use while the French national champion, Jalabert, was unable to access the same substance and was caught in, I believe, 2003.

Strange that Jalabert, four years after this supposed EPO use by Armstrong, was found positive for EPO use. Stranger still is the fact that while there had been a "substance" out there for years before he was caught and banned for two years from competition that would have effectively masked his use of EPO, he and his multi-million dollar French cycling team was unable to locate any of it. Guess the French are stupidier than anyone can imagine.

umm.. Because they couldnt detect EPO until year 2000.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Originally posted by: timelapse
Link (In French)

Just out in French sports news...

Basically says new tests on his blood samples from 1999 (the first he won), obtained after six different stages, test positive for a synthetic hormone...

Let's see if fox or cnn get a hang on this.

Geez :roll:

Isn't there an article on the next page that proves the French weren't actually occupied during WWII too?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

Originally posted by: timelapse
Link (In French)

Just out in French sports news...

Basically says new tests on his blood samples from 1999 (the first he won), obtained after six different stages, test positive for a synthetic hormone...

Let's see if fox or cnn get a hang on this.

Geez :roll:

Isn't there an article on the next page that proves the French weren't actually occupied during WWII too?

Ze Germans were just visiting... now fire ze missiles!

 

[oboeguy]

Originally posted by: Amused
Normally, I'm the first to French bash (cause it's fun) but to be fair, did you get out of Paris while you were there?

Paris is a sewer, but much of the rest of France is very nice and the people are MUCH nicer. Paris is the LAST place you really want to go when you see France.

What do you all have against Paris? I love it there and look forward to going back again (having been there numerous times already). I guess coming from NYC the Parisian attitude doesn't phase me.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: MaverikV
I was in Europe recently. I am by no means the kind of American the world pictures when they picture an American. I speak fluent French and am 1/3 french. I am moderate both concerning politics and general life. I am rather calm and mild mannered. I can safely say that 99% of the people I met there were nothing but rude to me. Also, Paris was filthy. Most of the French bashing that goes on is ignorant, but from personal experience, I have absolutely no qualms with telling the entirety of modern day France to go fsck itself.

Just curious...How are you 1/3 French?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: oboeguy

Originally posted by: Amused
Normally, I'm the first to French bash (cause it's fun) but to be fair, did you get out of Paris while you were there?

Paris is a sewer, but much of the rest of France is very nice and the people are MUCH nicer. Paris is the LAST place you really want to go when you see France.

What do you all have against Paris? I love it there and look forward to going back again (having been there numerous times already). I guess coming from NYC the Parisian attitude doesn't phase me.

Well, that would figure. I'm not to fond of (north)east coast folks, either.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

ooooh poor frenchies... getting their ass kicked at their own game by an american

qq

 

[Dessert Tears]

Originally posted by: MoPHo
why are they testing his blood from 6 years ago? and how do they still have blood from 6 years ago? do they just stock pile it and wait?

I believe they hold samples indefinitely so that they can test again as newer, better tests are developed. This supposedly has a greater deterrent since a doper can be caught even if the substance is currently (at time of race) undetectable. The timing of the article is suspect, as good tests for EPO have been around for a while - as soon as they were shown to work and validated with fresh samples, they would be used on the archival samples.

 

[Randum]

does anyone actualy know Lance? Did you know he basically has TOLD OFF the French press back in 99?? The french absolutely HATE him, since he won the yellow jersey day ONE of the 99 tour, they have been yelling at him trying to say hes using drusg, LANCE HAS NEVER HESITATED OR B!TCHED ABOUT A DRUG TEST! and he has NEVER gotten a positive. Did you understand why HE DOESNT user illegal drugs? Unless he is the best BSer of all times, his reasons for non-drug use is enough for me to beleive. Let alone the fact, the french think they can defame him? Its them saying he has a rare illegal substance because its beleivable due to the time frame.
They didnt pick a substance easily detected, I'm sure they could say every cyclist had it in their blood because the reading is not accurate. Its the french being what the french are to lance, a bunch of jealous b@stards=the USA has never dominated the tour before, now that they have 7 years in a row, they are freaking out. So F them, and 7 times in their face

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: dugweb
6 years after the fact?! please... this is worthless

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: OulOat
If this is true, then he is very suspicious.

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I certainly would not be surprised to find out that Armsrtrong was doping, however that article is a bunch of hearsay and circumstantial evidence. I think it would set a bad precedent to accept this as proof and possibly ruin someone?s life.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: oboeguy

Originally posted by: Amused
Normally, I'm the first to French bash (cause it's fun) but to be fair, did you get out of Paris while you were there?

Paris is a sewer, but much of the rest of France is very nice and the people are MUCH nicer. Paris is the LAST place you really want to go when you see France.

What do you all have against Paris? I love it there and look forward to going back again (having been there numerous times already). I guess coming from NYC the Parisian attitude doesn't phase me.

I have to agree. Paris is one the most breathtakingly beautiful cities in the world. Saying you should see France and skip Paris is ridiculous.

Of course, I am from NY also.

 

[maddogchen]

What I really want to know is whether its true the rumors that most of the riders were on EPO. That would be a big slap in the face of the Tour, I bet they'll keep a lid on it. Too much focus on Lance is letting the others slide by.

edit: Now that Lance is retired, what about Ulrich? See if he had taken EPO.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: dugweb
6 years after the fact?! please... this is worthless

so, if they had a sample of Barry Bonds blood from 6 yrs ago and it tested positive you'd say the same thing??

if the Tour De France officials make this finding an official one and they get 3rd party verification, then this is a story.

i'm curious to see what some of you would say then.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: oboeguy

Originally posted by: Amused
Normally, I'm the first to French bash (cause it's fun) but to be fair, did you get out of Paris while you were there?

Paris is a sewer, but much of the rest of France is very nice and the people are MUCH nicer. Paris is the LAST place you really want to go when you see France.

What do you all have against Paris? I love it there and look forward to going back again (having been there numerous times already). I guess coming from NYC the Parisian attitude doesn't phase me.

I have to agree. Paris is one the most breathtakingly beautiful cities in the world. Saying you should see France and skip Paris is ridiculous.

Of course, I am from NY also.

By all means, see Paris if you've never been there. But not to the exception of the rest of France. IMO, Paris is now the last place on my list to go when in France.

 

[geecee]

Any real news agencies carry this story yet?

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: MaverikV
I was in Europe recently. I am by no means the kind of American the world pictures when they picture an American. I speak fluent French and am 1/3 french. I am moderate both concerning politics and general life. I am rather calm and mild mannered. I can safely say that 99% of the people I met there were nothing but rude to me. Also, Paris was filthy. Most of the French bashing that goes on is ignorant, but from personal experience, I have absolutely no qualms with telling the entirety of modern day France to go fsck itself.

how are you one third french...did you have 2 mommies and one daddy?

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

Originally posted by: timelapse
Link (In French)

Just out in French sports news...

Basically says new tests on his blood samples from 1999 (the first he won), obtained after six different stages, test positive for a synthetic hormone...

Let's see if fox or cnn get a hang on this.

Geez :roll:

I think this about sums up my view of the French: "France has officially raised the terror alert from 'Run' to 'Hide.' The only two higher alert states being 'Surrender' and 'Collaborate.'"

I think it came from these forums, not sure, though.

In general, my problem with France is the people there are so rude to americans, then they come to the US and are still incredibly rude to americans, and face-face most americans are the picture of courtesy (then we make fun of them on the intertron). Yes, we know you think we shouldn't have invaded Iraq. I didn't make the decision and I didn't have any say in what was going on, so lay the fvck off me before I decide to meet you on your level.

Isn't there an article on the next page that proves the French weren't actually occupied during WWII too?

Ze Germans were just visiting... now fire ze missiles!

 

[DaShen]

There is a saying in France, "There are the dopers, and then there are the French cyclists."

I would highly doubt their claim, especially after 6 years. Any test should have come up positive at the time. Six years allows for a lot of error, even tampering. It is the French, you know. They are complete assholes when it comes to losing in cycling (I have heard it is the same with tennis, but I don't know).

Also, if you ever even really research this topic, he had to take a lot of banned substances in cycling for chemotherapy when he was sick, so the chances that they gave him hormone therapy for losing his nuts (literally) are pretty high. Hormone therapy isn't uncommon for testicular cancer survivors. He may have been given them in his recovery to allow his body to slowly readapt.

Added to that, you are probably a young kid who enjoys starting trouble. Either that or you are jealous. Either way, you are a moron. ESAD ;P The French are worse than you, but not by much.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: timelapse
Link (In French)

Just out in French sports news...

Basically says new tests on his blood samples from 1999 (the first he won), obtained after six different stages, test positive for a synthetic hormone...

Let's see if fox or cnn get a hang on this.

i believe he takes synthetic hormones due to his bout with testicular cancer.

that said i believe the French are on a witch hunt due to jealousy.
Lance is a winner, and i highly doubt he did anything illegally to get there.

 

[dugweb]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: dugweb
6 years after the fact?! please... this is worthless

so, if they had a sample of Barry Bonds blood from 6 yrs ago and it tested positive you'd say the same thing??

if the Tour De France officials make this finding an official one and they get 3rd party verification, then this is a story.

i'm curious to see what some of you would say then.

well personally i wouldn't care one way or the other... but i see your point.

My point is, how can they be expected to be taken serious when it has been 6 years? There are too many variables after this amount of time. What, they just forgot to mention this 6 years ago? They are just now getting around to testing his blood? give me a break... this article is worthless (of course i couldn't actually READ the article )

that's not to say the story won't become popular, people eat this sort of thing up. I can imagine the french would love to see Lance's Reputation shattered

 

[bleeb]

umm i think he needs to take hormones since he lost his testicles...

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: bleeb
umm i think he needs to take hormones since he lost his testicles...

yeh, someone mentioned that 2 posts up.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: dugweb

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: dugweb
6 years after the fact?! please... this is worthless

so, if they had a sample of Barry Bonds blood from 6 yrs ago and it tested positive you'd say the same thing??

if the Tour De France officials make this finding an official one and they get 3rd party verification, then this is a story.

i'm curious to see what some of you would say then.

well personally i wouldn't care one way or the other... but i see your point.

My point is, how can they be expected to be taken serious when it has been 6 years? There are too many variables after this amount of time. What, they just forgot to mention this 6 years ago? They are just now getting around to testing his blood? give me a break... this article is worthless (of course i couldn't actually READ the article )

that's not to say the story won't become popular, people eat this sort of thing up. I can imagine the french would love to see Lance's Reputation shattered

i know the olympic committee keeps athletes blood for a very long time, because they know that they will be able to test better for certain periods after it's been in use for a while, i don't see why the Tour De France wouldn't do the same thing.

again, the issue here to me isn't the 6 yrs but who is doing the testing.

if this test is verified by 3rd party then i think some credence can be given to the story.

bottom line is, most americans like lance armstrong so it really doesn't matter to them if he used steroids or not, or rather, if he did, they don't want to know about it.

most americans HATE barry bonds, so it doesn't really matter if he really used or not, they just want to accuse him of it and then cast a shadow on his accomplishments.

it's really about "liking".