Lance Armstrong charged for doping by USADA

[Capt Caveman]

It's funny that even right now people still believe that he is still clean. Most of you must not follow cycling. Practically everyone he was racing against was found doping. He is / was good but not that good that he could beat all of them clean. Many pro cyclist were proved to be doping even while they never tested positive (Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso, Michele Scarponi, ... and tens of others). If you are so naive to think that the boss is clean then I have a Nigerian friend who has a million dollar for you

And if you followed racing, you would know he was the most tested athlete ever and was never caught. You would think the Tour officials, France, haters would have more incentive to catch him but never did. But they were able to catch all the others.

 

[dougp]

And if you followed racing, you would know he was the most tested athlete ever and was never caught. You would think the Tour officials, France, haters would have more incentive to catch him but never did. But they were able to catch all the others.

Yah, it's funny that free says that yet he doesn't comprehend that even someone who rode with Armstrong (Landis) was proven to dope, tried to throw Armstrong under the bus yet Armstrong comes out unscathed and Landis has to return his title. Same thing goes for Ullrich and a bunch of the other Euro riders.

When will Armstrong be given the credit he deserves? All people want to do is condemn the guy when there's no valid proof that he's doped - and if the Justice department dropped charges, obviously something can't be proven well enough to keep the Feds charges to stick.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Personally I don't find it believable Lance could have been so dominant in the hardest endurance sport in the world, in an era in which all of his strongest rivals were doping, without doping himself, and several witnesses with no apparent reason to lie have indicated that he doped and/or admitted to doping. That being said, I see no benefit to going after him now for something he allegedly did years ago. It's bad for the sport and at this point I think it makes more sense to let sleeping dogs lie.

 

[SP33Demon]

Dumb witch hunt and waste of resources.

 

[sixone]

This doesn't make any sense. According to them they have proof dating back to his 2009-2010 samples to prove ""fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions." but waited until 2012 to say so.

They're saving every blood sample they can, hoping that technology will allow them to do tests that didn't exist in 2009.

 

[unokitty]

Whether he used drugs or not, I can't say.

However, I can say that I am really, really tired of all this "Lets get Lance..." stuff. How long has it been since he raced competitively?

How many other athletes have they kept going after for years and years and years?

Who is bankrolling this "Lets get Lance" campaign?

Where is this "Lets get Lance" money coming from?

If they don't get him this time, how many more unsuccessful attempts do they have money for?

Uno

 

[ShawnD1]

Main reason for testing and eliminating doping is to promote sport as a healthy life habit

Nothing says healthy living like damaging your frontal lobe by slamming head first into another person or brain damage caused by being punched in the face repeatedly.

The whole point of changing boxing from bare knuckle to gloved was to increase the number of head injuries. Without gloves, you can't punch the other person's head. Doing so means breaking your hand. With gloves? Full power to the head every time with no damage to your hands.

 

[Ninjahedge]

The only thing they should be allowed to do during this period of proven drug use would be to either qualify the records set with a footnote (akin to those swimsuits in the last olympics), or simply remove them from record as the fastest times.

Ultimate fairness would be finding the fastest "clean" guy and give him the trophy, cash, and title, but we have no real way of doing that... so......

 

[PingSpike]

I'm going to take an unpopular position here. I think that we and the athletes that entertain us have a deal. They pretend not to take performance enhancing drugs and we pretend to believe them. Top level athletes dope, its part of the game. They have to be naturally awesome to get there and then they have to be unnaturally awesome to compete with the others that are also unnaturally awesome.

A lot of the stuff that is illegal is sold over the counter at GNC. People say "I don't do steroids" and then basically buy legal steroids that the FDA just hasn't caught up to yet.

 

[Fausto]

He has to take steroids or testosterone shots to maintain healthy hormone levels in his body... Doctors were giving them to him during and after his fight with testicular cancer...

He only has one nutt sac to naturally produce the man juice... the other half has to come from some where! 😱

Hi, I'm basic human endocrinology; I don't believe we've met.

 

[ShawnD1]

A lot of the stuff that is illegal is sold over the counter at GNC. People say "I don't do steroids" and then basically buy legal steroids that the FDA just hasn't caught up to yet.

A lot of the stuff at GNC is bullshit simply because it's taken the wrong way. There's a big difference between eating and injecting. You can eat all the steroids in the world and it probably won't do anything because it's mostly destroyed in your digestive system or it passes through without being absorbed. If you want to do real doping, you'll need to inject it.

 

[Fausto]

I'll just chime in to say while I think Lance is a raging douchecanoe, this whole thing is stupid. Yes, he very likely doped, but he didn't get caught. This long-after-the-fact sanctioning is just silly (see also; Jan Ullrich). Furthermore, how is he suspended until they sort this out while Contador was allowed to race for the better part of a year while they figured out what to do about his POSITIVE TEST (something Lance does not have) and then had to go back and "correct" all his results from that time.

Test him right now as a competing pro triathlete, accept the test results, and stfu USADA.

 

[Fausto]

A lot of the stuff at GNC is bullshit simply because it's taken the wrong way. There's a big difference between eating and injecting. You can eat all the steroids in the world and it probably won't do anything because it's mostly destroyed in your digestive system or it passes through without being absorbed. If you want to do real doping, you'll need to inject it.

There is nothing sold at GNC that remotely approaches the efficacy of the stuff pro athletes may be using.

 

[Platypus]

He only has one nutt sac to naturally produce the man juice...

You know of a male with more than one nut sack? 😱

As for the OP, sports largely stopped being about the love of the game and more about money. I don't trust any of them nor do I find entertainment in it.

 

[highland145]

I have thought for years that he doped. What did it for me was several years back when just prior to the tour a bunch of big names got found out--elite, world-class athletes who Lance had beaten in competition and yet were all doping. I have a difficult time believing that he's so damn good that without doping he can beat the next best athletes in the world who are. There are people who've reported it, too.

That said, he's never been unequivocally shown as having cheated, and so at this point limiting him from further sport including triathlon seems very harsh. He's 40 and very quickly running out of time for endurance sports. Most are well retired by now.

This.

 

[highland145]

Designer drugs.

Bath salts. Would make for an interesting tour.😀

 

[Pens1566]

I lean towards him being a freak of genetics and not doping. Normal humans don't beat the type/stage of cancer he had, let alone compete professionally afterwards. Again, he's the most tested individual in the history of modern sports with nothing but insinuations and accusations.

 

[highland145]

You know of a male with more than one nut sack? 😱

😀

 

[epidemis]

Ask yourself how he could win against several admitted dopsters?

 

[SP33Demon]

I'll just chime in to say while I think Lance is a raging douchecanoe, this whole thing is stupid. Yes, he very likely doped, but he didn't get caught. This long-after-the-fact sanctioning is just silly (see also; Jan Ullrich). Furthermore, how is he suspended until they sort this out while Contador was allowed to race for the better part of a year while they figured out what to do about his POSITIVE TEST (something Lance does not have) and then had to go back and "correct" all his results from that time.

Test him right now as a competing pro triathlete, accept the test results, and stfu USADA.

Was Contador found guilty yet?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Lance on steroids > all the other cyclists on steroids.
Don't see the issue here.

 

[Pantlegz]

There's a big difference between eating and injecting. You can eat all the steroids in the world and it probably won't do anything because it's mostly destroyed in your digestive system or it passes through without being absorbed. If you want to do real doping, you'll need to inject it.

Oral steroids work just fine. The issue with them is they destroy your liver and kidneys. Injections bypass your body's filtration systems so they work faster and don't hang around in your system as long and are harder to detect.

As far as Lance is concerned really I don't care either way/it's a waste of time and resources.

 

[freegeeks]

Yah, it's funny that free says that yet he doesn't comprehend that even someone who rode with Armstrong (Landis) was proven to dope, tried to throw Armstrong under the bus yet Armstrong comes out unscathed and Landis has to return his title. Same thing goes for Ullrich and a bunch of the other Euro riders.

When will Armstrong be given the credit he deserves? All people want to do is condemn the guy when there's no valid proof that he's doped - and if the Justice department dropped charges, obviously something can't be proven well enough to keep the Feds charges to stick.

LOL you guys really don't get it, by these responses I can see that none of you actually follow pro-cycling (watching the Tour de France every year does not count as following pro cycling). If you would read my actual posts you would know that this whole "I never tested positive" mantra does not mean a lot. A lot of the procyclists that were caught NEVER actually tested positive. They were caught because police found their f$$$ng bloog bags in some shady doctors fridge or because they found dope when they raided their homes.

Bjarne Riis used the same "I never tested positive" line for years until he admitted that he was on EPO, growth hormone and cortisone for 5 years including when he won the Tour in 1996

give it up guys, you have nu clue...

cycling is in my country what american football is in the USA. I have friends in competitive racing. Everyone who thinks that any procyclist was clean during the Armstrong era is plain naive. The 90's and beginning of the 2000's were the doping era. EVERYONE was taking EVERYTHING

 

[Fausto]

Was Contador found guilty yet?

Yes. His suspension ends in early August. They had to go back and erase a year's worth of his results he garnered while they were dicking around trying to decide what to do with him. I think this is total bullshit since being awarded a podium spot after the fact is not nearly the same thing as being able to actually bask in the glory of the moment.

 

[Fausto]

LOL you guys really don't get it, by these responses I can see that none of you actually follow pro-cycling (watching the Tour de France every year does not count as following pro cycling). If you would read my actual posts you would know that this whole "I never tested positive" mantra does not mean a lot. A lot of the procyclists that were caught NEVER actually tested positive. They were caught because police found their f$$$ng bloog bags in some shady doctors fridge or because they found dope when they raided their homes.

Bjarne Riis used the same "I never tested positive" line for years until he admitted that he was on EPO, growth hormone and cortisone for 5 years including when he won the Tour in 1996

give it up guys, you have nu clue...

cycling is in my country what american football is in the USA. I have friends in competitive racing. Everyone who thinks that any procyclist was clean during the Armstrong era is plain naive. The 90's and beginning of the 2000's were the doping era. EVERYONE was taking EVERYTHING

Yeah it's not for nothing they called Riis "Mister 60%" (referring to his hematocrit). He was going to win that tour or literally die trying from a clot.