my thoughts exactly, plus the PCIe video card transition thing is holding back by upgrade as well. Actually the video card will dictate my move. When I find one I like at a decent deal, I will upgrade.
Edit: plus the experimentation with these new revisions will be fun as well. On the cheap, I hope
damnit...and i jes upgraded to a newcastle 3400+
should i have waited? ...mine is current stable at 2680 @ 1.534 (1.475*104%) which is as high as i've had time for since i got it yesterday
should i have waited? ...mine is current stable at 2680 @ 1.534 (1.475*104%) which is as high as i've had time for since i got it yesterday
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: Zebo
754
WHY???? Why would they add 1mb of l2 cace and hold winchester pr rating...are these still single channel memory controllers???
Why does 3400 beat 3500 in every bench? I dunno. but Turion is Dothan Killer. All Laptop chips for AMD 64 use skt 754. Lancaster, dubin, oakville etc..
a socket 754 clawhammer is a 2.0Ghz part that still has the same rating
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What makes a CPU a "true" mobile chip over another? Different chip packaging than the desktop chip? Low-power/low-voltage/frequency-adjustment abilities? Mobile XPs/Mobile Bartons have those, as do Intel's mobile P4/mobile Celeron S748 chips.
How is that any different than Intel's mobile P4/mobile Celeron chips? All they are are specially-binned normal CPUs, sans heatspreader, with a mfg-test setting that allows two different multi settings instead of being hardlocked to only one. (IOW, all P4/Celerons have "SpeedStep", Intel just disables them on the chips intended to be sold as desktop CPUs.)
Lucky you! Now you know what to ask for for a b-day present.
maybe by "true mobile", he meant a whole new core rather than just the cream of the crop of a desktop, like the pentium M vs the pentium 4M
also better throttling to minimize power/maximize performance
also better throttling to minimize power/maximize performance
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Ah, ok, basically something with inherent features, design-optimized around power-saving, rather than a desktop chip with a design optimized around performance, with some power-saving features added on for goo measure. Like Transmeta's CPUs or something. I guess that kind of makes sense. I thought that he was somehow singling out AMD's CPUs as "not true mobiles" compared to Intel's, which is why I mentioned the selection of Intel's "mobile" P4 chips are basically done the same way as AMD.
These should make for some great overclocking fun hopefully. If they are even just a little better than the killer DTR 3000+ I just picked up (2700mhz stable at 1.56v), then I'd be more than happy to push my transition to socket 939 out for a while longer.
The 35 W TDP for the fastest new model is not very impressive compared to todays model. They have doubled the cache and uses the E stepping, but that's about it AFAIK. Then we have the 25 W models but that's no big deal either, todays D stepping mobiles runs at 1.35 V/35 W so going back to 1.2 V or lower would make a pretty low TDP.
mobile AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 2 GHz, D stepping, 1.35, V 35 W, running at 1.2 V = 27.6 W (according to CPUPower)
if running at 1.15 V = 25.3 W
What's really interesting is if they really have made something unique to these CPU's (like tweaking the cache latencies). I mean that's what they're saying, claiming to have a more "true" moblie. It's good for all S754 owners (if Turion is Socket 754), and I'm curious to see what they will be like.
On the other hand, I don't have a 754 mobo. For me it's more interesting with S939, especially since I found out the small differencies between the above mentioned mobile 3000+ and the 3500+, a Vcore raise from 1.35 to 1.4 V and 200 MHz faster. Only problem is that the mobos are so expensive. The S939 lanparty is more than 50 % more expensive than the S754 model here in Sweden.
90 nm 35 W 1.35 V 3000+ running at 90 nm 1.4 V 3500+ specs: 41.4 W "should be closer to 67 W"
90 nm 67 W 1.4 V 3500+ running at 90 nm 1.35 V 3000+ specs: 56.6 W "should be closer to 35 W"
This is not so surprising at the first look, you get differences when comparing mobile and desktop AXP too, but not that big:
47 W 1.45 V mobile 2600+ running at 1.65 V 2800+ specs: 63.3 W "which actually is close to 68.3 W"
The 67 W is just a reservation for faster 90 nm CPU's. TDP for the 3500+ is more like 45-50 W, but that has been said before.
mobile AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 2 GHz, D stepping, 1.35, V 35 W, running at 1.2 V = 27.6 W (according to CPUPower)
if running at 1.15 V = 25.3 W
What's really interesting is if they really have made something unique to these CPU's (like tweaking the cache latencies). I mean that's what they're saying, claiming to have a more "true" moblie. It's good for all S754 owners (if Turion is Socket 754), and I'm curious to see what they will be like.
On the other hand, I don't have a 754 mobo. For me it's more interesting with S939, especially since I found out the small differencies between the above mentioned mobile 3000+ and the 3500+, a Vcore raise from 1.35 to 1.4 V and 200 MHz faster. Only problem is that the mobos are so expensive. The S939 lanparty is more than 50 % more expensive than the S754 model here in Sweden.
90 nm 35 W 1.35 V 3000+ running at 90 nm 1.4 V 3500+ specs: 41.4 W "should be closer to 67 W"
90 nm 67 W 1.4 V 3500+ running at 90 nm 1.35 V 3000+ specs: 56.6 W "should be closer to 35 W"
This is not so surprising at the first look, you get differences when comparing mobile and desktop AXP too, but not that big:
47 W 1.45 V mobile 2600+ running at 1.65 V 2800+ specs: 63.3 W "which actually is close to 68.3 W"
The 67 W is just a reservation for faster 90 nm CPU's. TDP for the 3500+ is more like 45-50 W, but that has been said before.
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I think it's neat that they are making s754 winchester rev E chips (Lancaster). Plopping the extra L2 cache on the chip will probably help to negate the lack of dual channel, so I'm not worried there. Plus, by now you can get an excellent s754 board for very cheap. I'd get the NF4 DFI board, but it requires PCI-E graphics, and I don't want to make the jump yet to PCI-E. I don't know why they haven't made a s939 NF3 DFI.
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