Lancaster 64 = Winchester Revision E, Launch date = 04.18.05

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: clarkey01

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Duvie and Zebo, you guys are pretty knowledgeable about this stuff so let me ask you: is there going to be a performance delta, at stock speeds, between a Lancaster 3400+ and my Clawhammer 3400+? Both have the same bus speed, cache size, and overall CPU speed. I'm not overclocking the chip so reduced heat load and higher o/c speeds are not pertinent to me at this time. Thanks men. :beer:

I think they will run at the same clock, there some minutte 90 nm improvments so the Lanni will have the edge, but the best "3400+" is the newcastle S745, due to its clock of 2.4 Ghz.

judging by OC's on 90nm so far (and that these cores are probably the best of the best), these chips might be the new place to go for overclocking.

 

[Megatomic]

1. A roadmap that Zebo linked to earlier showed s754 Lancaster.

2. I'm not concerned with overclocking headroom. My current CPU is not overclocked and until a game comes out that kicks my computer's ass I plan to leave it stock.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Duvie and Zebo, you guys are pretty knowledgeable about this stuff so let me ask you: is there going to be a performance delta, at stock speeds, between a Lancaster 3400+ and my Clawhammer 3400+? Both have the same bus speed, cache size, and overall CPU speed. I'm not overclocking the chip so reduced heat load and higher o/c speeds are not pertinent to me at this time. Thanks men. :beer:

not really sse3 adds a little in certain apps, 90nm process added a little performance but within margin of error... the big deal is potential...claws 2.3 to 2.5 on oc.. I expect these 3.3..

The real question to my mind is will newegg and others even sell them alone for plugging into desktop boards?

 

[Megatomic]

Newegg is selling the DTRs and they sell mobile XPs so why not?

*is a wishful thinker*

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Duvie and Zebo, you guys are pretty knowledgeable about this stuff so let me ask you: is there going to be a performance delta, at stock speeds, between a Lancaster 3400+ and my Clawhammer 3400+? Both have the same bus speed, cache size, and overall CPU speed. I'm not overclocking the chip so reduced heat load and higher o/c speeds are not pertinent to me at this time. Thanks men. :beer:

not really sse3 adds a little in certain apps, 90nm process added a little performance but within margin of error... the big deal is potential...claws 2.3 to 2.5 on oc.. I expect these 3.3..

The real question to my mind is will newegg and others even sell them alone for plugging into desktop boards?

Surely these revision E's will come onto the desktop on S939 ?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: clarkey01

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Duvie and Zebo, you guys are pretty knowledgeable about this stuff so let me ask you: is there going to be a performance delta, at stock speeds, between a Lancaster 3400+ and my Clawhammer 3400+? Both have the same bus speed, cache size, and overall CPU speed. I'm not overclocking the chip so reduced heat load and higher o/c speeds are not pertinent to me at this time. Thanks men. :beer:

not really sse3 adds a little in certain apps, 90nm process added a little performance but within margin of error... the big deal is potential...claws 2.3 to 2.5 on oc.. I expect these 3.3..

The real question to my mind is will newegg and others even sell them alone for plugging into desktop boards?

Surely these revision E's will come onto the desktop on S939 ?

Ya it's called vencie and san deigo.

Venice = 512KB lvl2 939 expect $200-$700

San Deigo = 1MB lvl 2 939 expect $600-$1000.

 

[slash196]

Yes, Zebo, but WHEN! I'm building a comp in May (for Battlefield 2) and I would love to put a Rev.E chip in there, but I need a release date, man! All I hear is Q2 05. And if Venice is out AFTER this new Mobile chip, that's cutting it kind of close, don't you think? Anyway, I'd love to hear some news from AMD about this.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: slash196
Yes, Zebo, but WHEN! I'm building a comp in May (for Battlefield 2) and I would love to put a Rev.E chip in there, but I need a release date, man! All I hear is Q2 05. And if Venice is out AFTER this new Mobile chip, that's cutting it kind of close, don't you think? Anyway, I'd love to hear some news from AMD about this.

Yeah, I'm very interested on the "when" myself, as far as the desktop/S939 parts go. I've been considering an A64 upgrade for a long time now (Athlon XP, even at 2.4GHz, is getting a little long in the tooth), but I'd gladly wait an extra two months if it meant I could have a potentially super ~3GHz overclocker.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Surely these revision E's will come onto the desktop on S939 ?

Ya it's called vencie and san deigo.

Venice = 512KB lvl2 939 expect $200-$700

San Deigo = 1MB lvl 2 939 expect $600-$1000.

Do you really think lowest Venice (3000+) will be $200 at launch? Currently, Winchester 3000+ can be had for as little as $150, and might be as low as $100 by the time Venice launches in two to three months. The Venice will likely just replace Winchester, so I don't see how AMD could jump the price that high, when for the vast majority of users, there will be no obvious benefit (SSE3 support will be irrelevant until Aps get re-written, and overclockability is not what drives the market).

So I see Venice being able to command at best only a modest price premium over the then-current prices of same-speed Winchesters.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: slash196
Yes, Zebo, but WHEN! I'm building a comp in May (for Battlefield 2) and I would love to put a Rev.E chip in there, but I need a release date, man! All I hear is Q2 05. And if Venice is out AFTER this new Mobile chip, that's cutting it kind of close, don't you think? Anyway, I'd love to hear some news from AMD about this.

Yeah, I'm very interested on the "when" myself, as far as the desktop/S939 parts go. I've been considering an A64 upgrade for a long time now (Athlon XP, even at 2.4GHz, is getting a little long in the tooth), but I'd gladly wait an extra two months if it meant I could have a potentially super ~3GHz overclocker.

Ideally you buy at end of cycle.. like then is probably the time to buy winchester if you want 3Ghz.. not when I did, when they first came out and only hit 2600-2700 Also costs drips like a rock then and bugs worked out at end..Late mobile XP's hitting 2.8 etc is another example.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Surely these revision E's will come onto the desktop on S939 ?

Ya it's called vencie and san deigo.

Venice = 512KB lvl2 939 expect $200-$700

San Deigo = 1MB lvl 2 939 expect $600-$1000.

Do you really think lowest Venice (3000+) will be $200 at launch? Currently, Winchester 3000+ can be had for as little as $150, and might be as low as $100 by the time Venice launches in two to three months. The Venice will likely just replace Winchester, so I don't see how AMD could jump the price that high, when for the vast majority of users, there will be no obvious benefit (SSE3 support will be irrelevant until Aps get re-written, and overclockability is not what drives the market).

So I see Venice being able to command at best only a modest price premium over the then-current prices of same-speed Winchesters.

Yes. Winny 3000 were $195-225 IIRC the first month in a half.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: slash196
Yes, Zebo, but WHEN! I'm building a comp in May (for Battlefield 2) and I would love to put a Rev.E chip in there, but I need a release date, man! All I hear is Q2 05. And if Venice is out AFTER this new Mobile chip, that's cutting it kind of close, don't you think? Anyway, I'd love to hear some news from AMD about this.

Yeah, I'm very interested on the "when" myself, as far as the desktop/S939 parts go. I've been considering an A64 upgrade for a long time now (Athlon XP, even at 2.4GHz, is getting a little long in the tooth), but I'd gladly wait an extra two months if it meant I could have a potentially super ~3GHz overclocker.

Ideally you buy at end of cycle.. like then is probably the time to buy winchester if you want 3Ghz.. not when I did, when they first came out and only hit 2600-2700 Also costs drips like a rock then and bugs worked out at end..Late mobile XP's hitting 2.8 etc is another example.

Hmmm...so are you referring to the end of the Winchester cycle (within a month or two, supposedly)? But aren't the new revision 90nm parts supposed to clock quite a bit higher than the current ones anyway, even with week-by-week process refinements (on the Winchesters) and such?

I've just heard bits and pieces about this stuff, so I'm probably confused.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Zebo
754 don't worry.. Venice is coming prolly earlier.. - 512 of course

WHY???? Why would they add 1mb of l2 cace and hold winchester pr rating...are these still single channel memory controllers???

Because Dual Channel only adds 5-7% to the performance of AMD64 processors. These things are not staving for bandwith like Pentium 4 Netburst Ovens.

 

[Megatomic]

I have to agree. My 2.2GHz 3400+ is neck and neck with s939 chips at 2.2GHz, the lack of dual channel memory controller seems to have a very minimal effect on my system.

 

[Googer]

Asustek plans to launch five or six AMD-based notebooks this year, compared to just one or two models launched a year previously, said company sources. Shipments of AMD-compatible notebooks accounted for 5% of Asustek?s total shipments of 700,000 own-brand notebooks last year.

Knowing asus, I wonder if these notebooks will be Overclockable or not?

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Zebo
[Yes. Winny 3000 were $195-225 IIRC the first month in a half.

But this is going to be a lateral replacement for 3000+, 3200+, and 3500+. Why would the market pay perhaps double for what will end up being essentially the same performance in a non-overclocked state? I understand that AT'ers might. But why would OEMs? Unless there's a short supply in the retail market, I just don't see it.

 

[clarkey01]

looks like I'll be waiting for july 05 for a cheap 3000+ "E" to replace my 2000 axp (A new manchine of course )

 

[slash196]

I've heard that the Venice cores aren't really new cores, they're just the Rev.E winchester. Therefore, shouldn't the Venice/San Diego just be more refined winchesters, with SS and SSE3? Shouldn't they have worked out all the bugs already?

 

[Gamingphreek]

To clear this up:

Newcastle: Sckt 754 & 939 ; SSE1, 2 and 3dNow, 130nm, 512K L2, Single Channel

Clawhammer: Sckt 754 & 939 ; SSE1, 2 and 3dNow, 130nm, 1mb L2, Single Channel

Winchester: Sckt 939; SSE1, 2 and 3dNow, 90nm, 512K L2, SOI (Silicon On Insulator) Dual Channel

EO Revision (Lancaster): Sckt 939, SSE1, 2, 3 and 3dNow, 90nm, 1mb L2, SOI, SS, Dual Channel

Turion: COMPLETELY different processor: Unsure of socket, all above traits of EO revision possibly with the exception of Dual Channel. However it may have all the traits but it is for the most part a different architecture which runs ~25Watt TDP.

The Athlon XP-M's were not true mobiles. AMD as of right now does not have a true mobile chip. As Zebo said they are all just specially binned AXP's/ A64's which can run at a much lower voltage. The reason desktop users like them so much is because generally they are the best of the batch meaning they, in general OC better.

Hope this clears some of this up.

-Kevin

Edit: WOO these chips launch on my birthday (4-18)

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Mobile XP part II

I'll be waiting for that to happen.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I've seen post here about how 754 was basically DOA for a year or more now :roll: and how you should wait and go 939 when available they'd advise. Yet here we are and it appears it may get another stay of execution and maybe CPUs that will make it a screamer for gaming again....

 

[Leper Messiah]

DFI UT250 owners rejoice.

 

[Zebo]

EO Revision (Lancaster): Sckt 939, SSE1, 2, 3 and 3dNow, 90nm, 1mb L2, SOI, SS, Dual Channel

Turion: COMPLETELY different processor: Unsure of socket, all above traits of EO revision possibly with the exception of Dual Channel. However it may have all the traits but it is for the most part a different architecture which runs ~25Watt TDP.

Lancaster is 754. Turion is not a processor its a concept like centrino.

 

[fstime]

We all know S754 > S939

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Zebo

EO Revision (Lancaster): Sckt 939, SSE1, 2, 3 and 3dNow, 90nm, 1mb L2, SOI, SS, Dual Channel

Turion: COMPLETELY different processor: Unsure of socket, all above traits of EO revision possibly with the exception of Dual Channel. However it may have all the traits but it is for the most part a different architecture which runs ~25Watt TDP.

Lancaster is 754. Turion is not a processor its a concept like centrino.

Why did you change the topic title, Zebo? Lancaster is NOT Winchester Rev. E, Venice is. Also, we don't know the release date of Venice. Or has there been some massive revalation that I didn't hear about?