Lakers win it. Lead the serie 2-1

[Azndude2190]

Dude,do you even remember that the Lakers were a lottery team last year???They won 11 more games this year to earn the 7th seed in the West.Without Kobe the Lakers probably would've won what?20 games?In fact during the 04-05 season when Kobe got injured the Lakers lost the rest of their games.Again I'm going to take your comments with a grain of salt because,you probably haven't watched thisLaker team play for all 82 games like I have,to actually fully know:
1)That Kobe isnt/isMVP material
2)That Odom and Co. suck/don't suck

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

The amount of stupidity here absolutely amazes me. First of all, for those who are commenting about the Lakers, Suns, or anything to do with this series that haven't even seen the games please stop posting. Stats do not tell the whole story, and any idiot who has been watching this series will tell you that.

What Kobe Bryant and his teammates are doing is executing a brilliant gameplan. Kobe could go off and score 40-50 pts, but he knows that the Lakers will not win that way. They have a gameplan, which is to pound the ball down low and punish the smaller Phoenix team. It is working brilliantly, the Lakers are simply having their way in the paint. What Kobe is doing is playing completely unselfish basketball and sticking to the gameplan. Do you think he cares about the MVP or what all the haters are saying......hell no. The Lakers are winning games, and more importantly the Suns seem to have no answer to what the Lakers are doing to them.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: rezinn
You kobe hater's can't accept that half of his shots are to beat the shot clock when he is bailing out his teams offense not working for a possession. He had 17 and 7, 4 steals or something and had a hand in more points than 7 assists would show. Most of his shots are double or triple teamed. To say nash is outplaying him is comical, his shots are all wide open or layups and he gets fouls called, whereas kobe ends up with a huge wound on his forehead and gets nothing. How about that no call at the end of the first where kobe was slapped across the wrists as he went up to shoot? And kobe puts the suns in foul trouble even when he doesn't get half the calls he should.

Wow, where to begin? You fanboys will reach for anything, won't you? How about the charge on Nash when Kobe dunked? How about when the bench scrub Vivacuk slapped Nash on the arm and wasn't T'd up in game 2? See, I can bring up stupid no calls too. It's a poorly officiated series, and both ways. Don't use that as a crutch for your excuses that Kobe got outshined by Nash.

Hmm Game 1 - Nash better statistically: 20/10ass/2reb/41.6%FG (5-12)/100%FT (8-8) vs Kobe's 22/5/6/31.8%FG/87.5%FT (7-8). Nash wins the game with 5 pts in the last minute.

Game 2 - Nash better statistically: 29/9ass/7reb/58.8%FG (10-17)/100%FT(7-7) vs Kobe's 29/5/10/50%FG (12-24)/66.6%FT (4-6).

Game 3 - Nash better statistically: 17 and 11assists vs 17 and 7. Whoop de do, Kobe had 3 more steals than Nash, Nash outrebounded him by 2, shot 50% from 3pt range (3-6 vs Kobe 0-3), and shot better from the field (7-16 vs 6-18).

Keep talking while I'll keep reporting the facts.

people like you simply do not understand the game of basketball. stats are only part of the story, they don't tell you how Kobe Bryant forces double teams which allows for his teammates to be open elsewhere. Kobe Bryant could easily have better stats than Nash if he wanted to in this playoff series, but that won't win them games. It's all about the W in the playoffs, nobody especially Kobe gives a flying fsck what idiot haters like you have to say. You simply cannot appreciate amazing talent, which Kobe AND Nash exhibit day in and day out.

 

[puffff]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If you're still hung up on why Kobe wasn't MVP, I will summarize:

Kobe isn't the best shooter in the league, Nash is (according to True Shooting % stats) and beats Kobe handily in FT%, FG%, 3pt%. Nash is a smarter player (finding the open man, not forcing shots, knowing when to drive/not to) and runs the fast break better than Kobe. Nash is the best passer in the league and led in assists/game. Nash led his team to 50+ wins with a supporting cast on par with Kobe's (pretty evident after the first 3 games of this series). 6 players on Nash's team had the best years of their career, can't say that for LA. That's all you need to know.

Actually, all you need to know is right now, the lakers are leading the series 2 to 1, because in basketball, and any sports in general, you play to win.

You don't like Kobe as a player? That's fine, that's your opinion. You don't think he's deserving of MVP? That's also you're opinion. You want to say Nash had a better statistical season than Kobe? Present the stats and make your point. Good for you.

However, when you start calling people fanboys, now you're going overboard. I'll listen to someone argue why they think such and such player is better, then I'll present my own opinion why I differ. We can have a fun discussion about it. That's why they have voters decide MVP awards, instead of handing out something based on some numbers formula. But when you start calling people names and making stupid accusations, is that really necessary?

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm not a Kobe fan by any means...

But I STILL say he (or Lebron) should have gotten MVP over Nash.

How can you say Kobe should get MVP when Nash has clearly outplayed him head to head? The only reason the Suns won game 1 was because of Nash clutch 3 and 2 FT's in the final minute. Kobe has played like ass every game, and his teammates are having the games of their lives.

Lebron is a better argument than Kobe, but his major strike is playing in the weak East (Cavs are 5-7 vs West playoff teams). No playoff team in the East had a winning record vs the West playoff teams except for NJ and Detroit.

Not going off of this series, this was my opinion a week ago (and the playoffs, as we know, aren't supposed to have any impact on who gets what regular season award). It just seemed to me that Kobe represented more wins for the Lakers than Nash did for the Suns - on paper, the Lakers are barely a 20 win team without Kobe (Odom doesn't have the drive right now to be a good lead player, from what I've seen), IMO, whereas with the Suns you at least have a legitimate top-tier all-star and, according to some, an MVP candidate in his own right, in Marion, among other good players (Diaw, Barbosa, Bell). Regarding Diaw, some seem to want to attribute his success to Nash, but I see it differently; he got more playing time and a playing style that works more towards his strengths in the transition from Atlanta to Phoenix.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060414

/\ I love Bill Simmons, and that article sums up my feelings pretty well.

(which you cannot ignore now)

You're supposed to ignore ANYTHING that happens in the playoffs when determining regular season awards. The fact is, for the majority of the season, Kobe had as close to no backup as is possible with a 12 man (I think? :x) roster. Nash had more backup during the regular season, rather easily, and while you would argue that the only reason his teammates were so good was him, I would have to disagree - Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, and Leandro Barbosa all benefitted from increased playing time, and their numbers generally (outside of 3-pointer percentage - but the Suns offense revolves around 3-point shooting, so this is no surprise) remained at what you would expect with the increased time.

And I think the best jump shot in the NBA goes to Ray Allen 😛. He has poor shot selection in comparison to Nash, but the fact that he made more than anyone else in history while still shooting a very respectable percentage is crazy.

Do you attribute Kobe to having "no backup" during the regular season due to the fact that he chucked up 300 more shots than #2 Iverson? How the hell is that making your team better? Now that he's not chucking, we are seeing the Lakers really play to their potential. For example, why did Odom's numbers drop in ppg and rebounds, yet remain almost the same in every other stat (except for assists which went up by 1.8)? Devean George's numbers are pretty much the same across the board except he went down in 1ppg. Kwame was the only guy on LA who showed a huge improvement (Smush has no other year to compare to as a starter, Walton was slightly up but it was his first year as a starter).

I'm not seeing how Kobe made everyone significantly better like Nash did. IF Nash had more "backup", then why aren't the Suns destroying LA? Answer: LA always had the "backup", they just never played to their potential b/c of their famous chucker upper not giving them the opportunity to. Again, Kwame is the only person who dramatically improved for LA, 6 did for the Suns. Surprise, LA is actually playing like a team and winning, no you cannot ignore that now. Hindsight will always be 20/20, can't fault anyone who chose thought Kobe = MVP b/c they really didn't know LA's true potential until now. Newsflash, Odom/Kwame and co really don't suck as much as you Kobe advocates thought.

I really think that, whereas a few years ago scoring was overrated, now assists are overrated. Yea, OK, Nash had more assists and set up his teammates more, we know that, but that isn't the only way to help your team. I see no problem with Kobe taking 27 shots a game (and for the record 35 points on 27 shots isn't bad considering he is THE player every team focuses on locking down each game) when your next best option is Lamar Odom, a good all around player but by no means an offensive force (although he has set career highs the last two years with Kobe in FG%). And the dropoff after that is even bigger. Kobe is more valuable taking those shots than passing first with the supporting cast he has, at least as I see it. And let's not 3 games in the playoffs refute the fact that Walton (who wasn't a starter generally, by the way) shot 41% from the field, and that Kwame, all season, showed nothing but inexperience in the post. And make no mistake about it, the Lakers' success right now has more to do with their defense/phoenix's inability on offense than it does on the Lakers' offense; Whereas the Suns averaged 108 ppg during the regular season, they're down to 97 in the playoffs so far.

 

[ManSnake]

This once agains shows that Amare Stoudemire is an overrated, overhyped and overpaid player. As long as he is on the Suns' roster sucking up a big chunck of money, Phoenix will not go anywhere in the post season, because they just don't have enough money to sign a quality defensive player.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: puffff

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If you're still hung up on why Kobe wasn't MVP, I will summarize:

Kobe isn't the best shooter in the league, Nash is (according to True Shooting % stats) and beats Kobe handily in FT%, FG%, 3pt%. Nash is a smarter player (finding the open man, not forcing shots, knowing when to drive/not to) and runs the fast break better than Kobe. Nash is the best passer in the league and led in assists/game. Nash led his team to 50+ wins with a supporting cast on par with Kobe's (pretty evident after the first 3 games of this series). 6 players on Nash's team had the best years of their career, can't say that for LA. That's all you need to know.

Actually, all you need to know is right now, the lakers are leading the series 2 to 1, because in basketball, and any sports in general, you play to win.

You don't like Kobe as a player? That's fine, that's your opinion. You don't think he's deserving of MVP? That's also you're opinion. You want to say Nash had a better statistical season than Kobe? Present the stats and make your point. Good for you.

However, when you start calling people fanboys, now you're going overboard. I'll listen to someone argue why they think such and such player is better, then I'll present my own opinion why I differ. We can have a fun discussion about it. That's why they have voters decide MVP awards, instead of handing out something based on some numbers formula. But when you start calling people names and making stupid accusations, is that really necessary?

Are you going to actually comment on any of the facts I presented, or just sidestep everything in my post by saying I call people "names" (btw Fanboy is a perfect label for some of the people here like Azndude, and he'll admit it.).

I'm actually a 76ers "fanboy" but you don't see me coming here and posting ridiculous crap that I think Iverson should be the MVP. Nash was the clear MVP for reason in my post above, Kobe can't compete with that nor Iverson. I'm not even a PHO fan and I can see that.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm not a Kobe fan by any means...

But I STILL say he (or Lebron) should have gotten MVP over Nash.

How can you say Kobe should get MVP when Nash has clearly outplayed him head to head? The only reason the Suns won game 1 was because of Nash clutch 3 and 2 FT's in the final minute. Kobe has played like ass every game, and his teammates are having the games of their lives.

Lebron is a better argument than Kobe, but his major strike is playing in the weak East (Cavs are 5-7 vs West playoff teams). No playoff team in the East had a winning record vs the West playoff teams except for NJ and Detroit.

Not going off of this series, this was my opinion a week ago (and the playoffs, as we know, aren't supposed to have any impact on who gets what regular season award). It just seemed to me that Kobe represented more wins for the Lakers than Nash did for the Suns - on paper, the Lakers are barely a 20 win team without Kobe (Odom doesn't have the drive right now to be a good lead player, from what I've seen), IMO, whereas with the Suns you at least have a legitimate top-tier all-star and, according to some, an MVP candidate in his own right, in Marion, among other good players (Diaw, Barbosa, Bell). Regarding Diaw, some seem to want to attribute his success to Nash, but I see it differently; he got more playing time and a playing style that works more towards his strengths in the transition from Atlanta to Phoenix.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060414

/\ I love Bill Simmons, and that article sums up my feelings pretty well.

(which you cannot ignore now)

You're supposed to ignore ANYTHING that happens in the playoffs when determining regular season awards. The fact is, for the majority of the season, Kobe had as close to no backup as is possible with a 12 man (I think? :x) roster. Nash had more backup during the regular season, rather easily, and while you would argue that the only reason his teammates were so good was him, I would have to disagree - Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, and Leandro Barbosa all benefitted from increased playing time, and their numbers generally (outside of 3-pointer percentage - but the Suns offense revolves around 3-point shooting, so this is no surprise) remained at what you would expect with the increased time.

And I think the best jump shot in the NBA goes to Ray Allen 😛. He has poor shot selection in comparison to Nash, but the fact that he made more than anyone else in history while still shooting a very respectable percentage is crazy.

Do you attribute Kobe to having "no backup" during the regular season due to the fact that he chucked up 300 more shots than #2 Iverson? How the hell is that making your team better? Now that he's not chucking, we are seeing the Lakers really play to their potential. For example, why did Odom's numbers drop in ppg and rebounds, yet remain almost the same in every other stat (except for assists which went up by 1.8)? Devean George's numbers are pretty much the same across the board except he went down in 1ppg. Kwame was the only guy on LA who showed a huge improvement (Smush has no other year to compare to as a starter, Walton was slightly up but it was his first year as a starter).

I'm not seeing how Kobe made everyone significantly better like Nash did. IF Nash had more "backup", then why aren't the Suns destroying LA? Answer: LA always had the "backup", they just never played to their potential b/c of their famous chucker upper not giving them the opportunity to. Again, Kwame is the only person who dramatically improved for LA, 6 did for the Suns. Surprise, LA is actually playing like a team and winning, no you cannot ignore that now. Hindsight will always be 20/20, can't fault anyone who chose thought Kobe = MVP b/c they really didn't know LA's true potential until now. Newsflash, Odom/Kwame and co really don't suck as much as you Kobe advocates thought.

I really think that, whereas a few years ago scoring was overrated, now assists are overrated. Yea, OK, Nash had more assists and set up his teammates more, we know that, but that isn't the only way to help your team. I see no problem with Kobe taking 27 shots a game (and for the record 35 points on 27 shots isn't bad considering he is THE player every team focuses on locking down each game) when your next best option is Lamar Odom, a good all around player but by no means an offensive force (although he has set career highs the last two years with Kobe in FG%). And the dropoff after that is even bigger. Kobe is more valuable taking those shots than passing first with the supporting cast he has, at least as I see it. And let's not 3 games in the playoffs refute the fact that Walton (who wasn't a starter generally, by the way) shot 41% from the field, and that Kwame, all season, showed nothing but inexperience in the post. And make no mistake about it, the Lakers' success right now has more to do with their defense/phoenix's inability on offense than it does on the Lakers' offense; Whereas the Suns averaged 108 ppg during the regular season, they're down to 97 in the playoffs so far.

I agree with the bolded statement (above), NY. Although, here's a stat from SC that shows that LA is definitely getting more production from their starters: In two of the three games in this series, LA Starters all scored in double digits. How many times have they done that during the regular season? Three times. So clearly they are shooting better, and I do agree that the Suns' offense/LA Defense is the biggest factor. LA is averaging a point more per game than the regular season, while PHO has dropped 11 (108 to 97).

I don't think assists are overrated if you lead the league in that category (it's not like you're comparing two players with only a 2 assist margin, say 6 to 8). The best is the best either way you slice and dice it, and you can only compare that player to their peers' passing and opponents' ability to defend the pass. Noone is even close in passing ability to Nash. You could put him in a slower offense and he would still get around 10 assists/game, as evidenced by LA forcing PHO to play that type of offense.

I don't know if you can say Kobe shooting for 35/game is more valuable b/c now we've seen what LA is capable of when the others get involved, they win. Since Phil has adopted "no Kobe chucking", LA beat PHO 2 games after never beating PHO in 9 tries! That says a lot.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
The amount of stupidity here absolutely amazes me. First of all, for those who are commenting about the Lakers, Suns, or anything to do with this series that haven't even seen the games please stop posting. Stats do not tell the whole story, and any idiot who has been watching this series will tell you that.

What Kobe Bryant and his teammates are doing is executing a brilliant gameplan. Kobe could go off and score 40-50 pts, but he knows that the Lakers will not win that way. They have a gameplan, which is to pound the ball down low and punish the smaller Phoenix team. It is working brilliantly, the Lakers are simply having their way in the paint. What Kobe is doing is playing completely unselfish basketball and sticking to the gameplan. Do you think he cares about the MVP or what all the haters are saying......hell no. The Lakers are winning games, and more importantly the Suns seem to have no answer to what the Lakers are doing to them.

I'm no Kobe hater, he (or Lebron) was the best player in the league for the regular season. Not the most valuable, though. Just like nobody on the Pistons were the best player but together, they are the most valuable. Wins talk, shot chuckers like Iverson and Kobe walk.

Your talk about PHO getting beat up down low is nothing new, you could turn on TNT and hear the announcers saying that. You say Kobe is unselfish, yet you ignore the fact he's shooting horribly in most of these games (6-18, 7-22) and not spreading the ball much more than he did during the regular season. Also, you can keep denouncing statistical analysis while I'll keep number crunching and watching the games. Saying stuff like "Stats do not tell the whole story, and any idiot who has been watching this series will tell you that." is not adding anything to the thread, unless you count stupidity. Don't discount stats, tell me WHY they are that way. For example, why is Kobe shooting like crap statistically? That is adding to the thread.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

I agree with the bolded statement (above), NY. Although, here's a stat from SC that shows that LA is definitely getting more production from their starters: In two of the three games in this series, LA Starters all scored in double digits. How many times have they done that during the regular season? Three times. So clearly they are shooting better, and I do agree that the Suns' offense/LA Defense is the biggest factor. LA is averaging a point more per game than the regular season, while PHO has dropped 11 (108 to 97).

I don't think assists are overrated if you lead the league in that category (it's not like you're comparing two players with only a 2 assist margin, say 6 to 8). The best is the best either way you slice and dice it, and you can only compare that player to their peers' passing and opponents' ability to defend the pass. Noone is even close in passing ability to Nash. You could put him in a slower offense and he would still get around 10 assists/game, as evidenced by LA forcing PHO to play that type of offense.

I don't know if you can say Kobe shooting for 35/game is more valuable b/c now we've seen what LA is capable of when the others get involved, they win. Since Phil has adopted "no Kobe chucking", LA beat PHO 2 games after never beating PHO in 9 tries! That says a lot.

The thing is, as I said, they've beaten the Suns twice because of their defense, not their offense - and I think the fact that the Lakers are averaging 1 more ppg has more to do with guys like Luke Walton, Lamar Odom (although I do expect more like 20ppg from him at some point), and Smush Parker staying fairly well above their season FG%, as well as Kwame Brown finally starting to assert himself in the post. You could argue that this is due to Kobe making his teammates better, but I mean, he's only averaging 5.7 assists in the playoffs so far, although he is taking ~6 less shots a game (that kind of thing would affect FG attempts for teammates, but not necessarily FG%). In any case, during the regular season, Kobe was shooting a higher % from the field than either Parker or Walton (and Kwame was largely a non-factor), so even taking that many shots he was the better option. I don't think there's much point arguing this any further, as I don't think either of us is changing our mind... it all comes down to who you think accounted for more wins than the other.

 

[wkabel23]

WTB foul calls on the lakers...

 

[BrokenVisage]

Yeah, Jones wasn't being held by Walton on that allie-oop attempt. :roll:

 

[PlatinumGold]

is it just me or did kobe hit a game winning shot over pheonix in OT?

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
is it just me or did kobe hit a game winning shot over pheonix in OT?

It's not just you.

 

[Miramonti]

If Nash keeps up with his current level of play, he'll be eligible for another award next season, comeback player of the year.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

nice officiating

 

[iamme]

say what you will about Kobe, the dude has a killer instinct like none other in the NBA. all that Carmelo Anthony being so clutch is trash. once Kobe got his shot off, i'm willing to bet many people, even kobe-haters, were expecting it to fall.

if the lakers can finish off the suns and head into the second round......wow.

i don't know about you guys, but i'm seeing a different kobe in teh playoffs. yes, he shoots the most on the team, but he's getting his teammates involved and the Lakers are playing exceptional ball. in the past two games, kobe wasn't even the leading FG attempts guy on the Lakers.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: iamme
say what you will about Kobe, the dude has a killer instinct like none other in the NBA. all that Carmelo Anthony being so clutch is trash. once Kobe got his shot off, i'm willing to bet many people, even kobe-haters, were expecting it to fall.

if the lakers can finish off the suns and head into the second round......wow.

i don't know about you guys, but i'm seeing a different kobe in teh playoffs. yes, he shoots the most on the team, but he's getting his teammates involved and the Lakers are playing exceptional ball. in the past two games, kobe wasn't even the leading FG attempts guy on the Lakers.

Kobe is finally playing team basketball and he's getting a ridiculous amount of praise for it. Sorry, I'm not buying into this whole "new" Kobe BS. Kobe isn't tossing up shots anymore and passing the ball more often...hardly anything groundbreaking. It's what players like Lebron and Nash have been doing all year yet somehow when Kobe doesn't even do it as well as them he gets more praise...

Kobe is one of the most clutch players in the NBA without a doubt, even though the refs handed the Lakers the game on a platter Kobe still had to hit that shot.

Originally posted by: jjsole
If Nash keeps up with his current level of play, he'll be eligible for another award next season, comeback player of the year.

Did you even see the game? Nash played just as well as Kobe if not better, and he was obviously fouled in OT, so you can't place all of the blame on him.

Talk about Kobe haters...look at this ridiculous hatred of Nash by jjsole...someone is bitter.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
nice officiating

haha

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: iamme
say what you will about Kobe, the dude has a killer instinct like none other in the NBA. all that Carmelo Anthony being so clutch is trash. once Kobe got his shot off, i'm willing to bet many people, even kobe-haters, were expecting it to fall.

if the lakers can finish off the suns and head into the second round......wow.

i don't know about you guys, but i'm seeing a different kobe in teh playoffs. yes, he shoots the most on the team, but he's getting his teammates involved and the Lakers are playing exceptional ball. in the past two games, kobe wasn't even the leading FG attempts guy on the Lakers.

Kobe is finally playing team basketball and he's getting a ridiculous amount of praise for it. Sorry, I'm not buying into this whole "new" Kobe BS. Kobe isn't tossing up shots anymore and passing the ball more often...hardly anything groundbreaking. It's what players like Lebron and Nash have been doing all year yet somehow when Kobe doesn't even do it as well as them he gets more praise...

Kobe is one of the most clutch players in the NBA without a doubt, even though the refs handed the Lakers the game on a platter Kobe still had to hit that shot.

Originally posted by: jjsole
If Nash keeps up with his current level of play, he'll be eligible for another award next season, comeback player of the year.

Did you even see the game? Nash played just as well as Kobe if not better, and he was obviously fouled in OT, so you can't place all of the blame on him.

Talk about Kobe haters...look at this ridiculous hatred of Nash by jjsole...someone is bitter.

you're both bitter. 😕

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: iamme
say what you will about Kobe, the dude has a killer instinct like none other in the NBA. all that Carmelo Anthony being so clutch is trash. once Kobe got his shot off, i'm willing to bet many people, even kobe-haters, were expecting it to fall.

if the lakers can finish off the suns and head into the second round......wow.

i don't know about you guys, but i'm seeing a different kobe in teh playoffs. yes, he shoots the most on the team, but he's getting his teammates involved and the Lakers are playing exceptional ball. in the past two games, kobe wasn't even the leading FG attempts guy on the Lakers.

Kobe is finally playing team basketball and he's getting a ridiculous amount of praise for it. Sorry, I'm not buying into this whole "new" Kobe BS. Kobe isn't tossing up shots anymore and passing the ball more often...hardly anything groundbreaking. It's what players like Lebron and Nash have been doing all year yet somehow when Kobe doesn't even do it as well as them he gets more praise...

Kobe is one of the most clutch players in the NBA without a doubt, even though the refs handed the Lakers the game on a platter Kobe still had to hit that shot.

Originally posted by: jjsole
If Nash keeps up with his current level of play, he'll be eligible for another award next season, comeback player of the year.

Did you even see the game? Nash played just as well as Kobe if not better, and he was obviously fouled in OT, so you can't place all of the blame on him.

Talk about Kobe haters...look at this ridiculous hatred of Nash by jjsole...someone is bitter.

you're both bitter. 😕

I'm angry that the refs blew some calls, not that Kobe is a great player.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
nice officiating

Cry some more to your MVP for terrible 2nd half shooting.

3rd quarter

Nash Driving Layup: Made (18 PTS) 11:00
Nash Layup Shot: Missed Block: Odom (1 BLK) 9:54
Nash Driving Layup: Missed 8:19
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 5:14
Nash Free Throw 1 of 2 missed 4:16
Nash Free Throw 2 of 2 (19 PTS) 4:16
Nash Layup Shot: Missed 2:53
Nash Substitution replaced by House 2:34

4th quarter

House Substitution replaced by Nash 9:45
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 9:27
Nash Violation: Kicked Ball 7:15
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 5:13
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 5:08
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 3:35
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 1:13
Nash Turnover: Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal: Parker (2 ST) 0:04

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
nice officiating

Cry some more to your MVP for terrible 2nd half shooting.

3rd quarter

Nash Driving Layup: Made (18 PTS) 11:00
Nash Layup Shot: Missed Block: Odom (1 BLK) 9:54
Nash Driving Layup: Missed 8:19
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 5:14
Nash Free Throw 1 of 2 missed 4:16
Nash Free Throw 2 of 2 (19 PTS) 4:16
Nash Layup Shot: Missed 2:53
Nash Substitution replaced by House 2:34

4th quarter

House Substitution replaced by Nash 9:45
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 9:27
Nash Violation: Kicked Ball 7:15
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 5:13
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 5:08
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 3:35
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 1:13
Nash Turnover: Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal: Parker (2 ST) 0:04

And you know if the refs didn't miss the call in OT, that I could copy/paste the same BS about Kobe at a different part of the game and blame the loss on him :roll:

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
nice officiating

Cry some more to your MVP for terrible 2nd half shooting.

3rd quarter

Nash Driving Layup: Made (18 PTS) 11:00
Nash Layup Shot: Missed Block: Odom (1 BLK) 9:54
Nash Driving Layup: Missed 8:19
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 5:14
Nash Free Throw 1 of 2 missed 4:16
Nash Free Throw 2 of 2 (19 PTS) 4:16
Nash Layup Shot: Missed 2:53
Nash Substitution replaced by House 2:34

4th quarter

House Substitution replaced by Nash 9:45
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 9:27
Nash Violation: Kicked Ball 7:15
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 5:13
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 5:08
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 3:35
Nash Jump Shot: Missed 1:13
Nash Turnover: Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal: Parker (2 ST) 0:04

And you know if the refs didn't miss the call in OT, that I could copy/paste the same BS about Kobe at a different part of the game and blame the loss on him :roll:

Wow you're still on it huh? Get over it. You being the Champion of Justice isn't going to change anything here. The Lakers won and that's all there is to it, bad officiating or not. If the teams were switched and the Lakers lost on bad calls would you be doing the same thing? Because I've seen the Laker flamefests here, and a lot of those people seem to be absent today, I'm sure they'll show up when they lose again. Like I said, sports fans are the worst. 🙂

 

[RiDE]

One thing I'd have to say though, Nash is a class act. I was watching the post game conference and not a single bitch from him, which is more than you could say about the people here.