Lack of universal healthcare - a sad story

[fskimospy]

Actually history says otherwise, the strong survive.

Your grandpa can't live forever no matter how much you think other people should pay for him to live another 3 months.

Actually human evolution shows a strong cooperative mechanism and we aren't the only animal that shows this.

So really, the most impartial arbiter of what works and what doesn't, evolution, says we are stronger when we work together.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Why dont we have universal health care?

It's because we are a nation of morons.

Seriously. Every other first world nation spends far less on health care both in terms of % of GDP and in absolute dollars but has 100% coverage, zero medical bankruptcies, more contented populaces, and economies that are not burdened by health insurance concerns.

In the meantime, we are spending more and getting less health care.

We are a nation of free market dogmatist morons, and that is the reason why our nation is going to slowly transform into a third world nation where a small percentage of people will be very rich and the rest will be poor.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

There is nothing stopping you from picking up the bill. That's what Universal Health Care really is. It forces other people to unwillingly pick up the bill. I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel that thy want healthcare for all. Well, they can start contributing to the local charity if they feel that way.

There's no need for Americans, in aggregate, to spend more money on health care than what they are already spending. The current system suffers from massive inefficiencies which explains why we can spend far more than any other nation in the world on health care and receive less coverage. The entire structure of the system is what needs to be changed.

 

[colonelciller]

Universal healthcare is NOT the way to go. We need a free market healthcare system which would bring down costs and provide better quality healthcare.

this is refuted by existing universal healthcare models.

what you have written is marketing propaganda written by the health insurance industry... an industry with zero beneficial function... a middle man that serves no purpose... and the source of much political campaign funding... which is why it exists at all

 

[Londo_Jowo]

My kids are grown and out of school. Why am I being forced to pay school taxes?

If you're 65 or over you need to update your homestead exemptions.

http://www.tad.org/WebPages/exmfacts.cfm

Optional Exemptions. In addition to the $10,000 exemption for school taxes, any taxing unit – including a school district – can offer an additional exemption of at least $5,000 for taxpayers age 65 or older.

 

[Brovane]

Just remember the Republicans tell us we don't need universal healthcare. You have to wait until you are 65......

 

[Brovane]

There is nothing stopping you from picking up the bill. That's what Universal Health Care really is. It forces other people to unwillingly pick up the bill. I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel that thy want healthcare for all. Well, they can start contributing to the local charity if they feel that way.

We already pick up the bill. Hospital are required to treat anyone that comes through the door regardless of the ability to pay. What do you think happens when the homeless person comes through the door that is high on something besides Jesus and needs to be treated? He gets treated and we all wind up picking up the tab and the homeless person doesn't pay anything.

 

[Texashiker]

Visitation for the girl who died in the wreck will be thursday between 5-8 pm, funeral will be friday.

The family and community are doing various fund raisers to help with funeral cost and medical bills.

 

[glenn1]

Why dont we have universal health care? This has been a hot topic for decades, but nobody wants to do anything about it.

Because most folks are responsible middle class citizens and know good and damn well they won't be the ones who benefit from it. They're happy to have government cover costs which would positively impact them (like universal vaccinations) but most certainly will resist bitterly when asked to pay for the costs of treating the countless examples of idiots going "hey y'all, watch this!" they've seen over the years.

 

[Brovane]

Because most folks are responsible middle class citizens and know good and damn well they won't be the ones who benefit from it. They're happy to have government cover costs which would positively impact them (like universal vaccinations) but most certainly will resist bitterly when asked to pay for the costs of treating the countless examples of idiots going "hey y'all, watch this!" they've seen over the years.

Well we already pay for those idiots going "hey y'all watch this". That is the point that the responsible middle class doesn't understand. The best part is when I hear people that are retired bitching about Obama Care and socialized medicine. When I then point out to them that they are already on government run healthcare when they went on MediCare......

 

[fskimospy]

Because most folks are responsible middle class citizens and know good and damn well they won't be the ones who benefit from it. They're happy to have government cover costs which would positively impact them (like universal vaccinations) but most certainly will resist bitterly when asked to pay for the costs of treating the countless examples of idiots going "hey y'all, watch this!" they've seen over the years.

Everyone in the US would benefit from universal health care and corresponding efficiency increases. Not only that, but you're already paying for those idiots you complain about now, just in an inefficient way.

Even outside of straight fiscal benefit, there are a lot of other tangential benefits as well. People constantly complain about outsized tort awards, but in a country with universal health care much of that would go away as well. Our current system uses the courts as a form of secondary health insurance, which is clearly a poor way of going about it.

 

[glenn1]

Well we already pay for those idiots going "hey y'all watch this". That is the point that the responsible middle class doesn't understand. The best part is when I hear people that are retired bitching about Obama Care and socialized medicine. When I then point out to them that they are already on government run healthcare when they went on MediCare......

"We" barely scratch the surface of paying for their care. Hospitals are required to provide stabilizing treatment and nothing more, and first aid is hardly the "universal healthcare" that progressives want. Once they have Cleetus-Bubba's pulse rate back to normal they can and should kick his ass to the curb. Just like they should give the gangbanger who's been shot a tourniquet and an Advil and kick his ass to the curb as well.

 

[fskimospy]

"We" barely scratch the surface of paying for their care. Hospitals are required to provide stabilizing treatment and nothing more, and first aid is hardly the "universal healthcare" that progressives want. Once they have Cleetus-Bubba's pulse rate back to normal they can and should kick his ass to the curb. Just like they should give the gangbanger who's been shot a tourniquet and an Advil and kick his ass to the curb as well.

A tourniquet would not qualify as 'stabilizing care' under any medical definition I am aware of. I know you're just impotently raging and aren't interested in any real discussion on this, but wouldn't you want your rage to at least be in the ballpark of correct?

 

[Brovane]

"We" barely scratch the surface of paying for their care. Hospitals are required to provide stabilizing treatment and nothing more, and first aid is hardly the "universal healthcare" that progressives want. Once they have Cleetus-Bubba's pulse rate back to normal they can and should kick his ass to the curb. Just like they should give the gangbanger who's been shot a tourniquet and an Advil and kick his ass to the curb as well.

Well we are not going to kick the gangbanger to the curb. Look at the treatment they gave the Boston bomber who lived. We paid for that healthcare he received. Either through increased care costs or through MediCaid (which is government). The stabilizing care is much more than First Aid. We much more than just scratch the surface. The homeless person that shows up at the Hospital will receive full care regardeless of his/her ability to pay.

 

[Texashiker]

Well we are not going to kick the gangbanger to the curb. Look at the treatment they gave the Boston bomber who lived. We paid for that healthcare he received.

We have a vested interest in keeping the accused boston bomber alive.

 

[KMFJD]

Accident between a car and a truck left one child dead, one critically injured and the mom is in the hospital. The article said the mom was released from the hospital, but the grandmother told my wife the mom was admitted after the story was published.

http://www.kjas.com/news/local_news/article_5e4b2b6c-af7b-11e2-b9ee-0019bb30f31a.html

From what we were told, the family does not have health insurance.

I know this family. The grandmother visited with my wife and I while we were camping a few weeks ago. My wife and I used to go over to their house when the mom was a teenager.

The child that is in critical care had to have part of her colon removed and facial reconstruction surgery. From what my wife was told, the girls jaw was broken in several places.

Why dont we have universal health care? This has been a hot topic for decades, but nobody wants to do anything about it.

We can send hundreds of millions of dollars overseas, we can fight a so called war on terror that has cost trillions, but we can not provide basic health care coverage for our citizens.

The fuck you, i got mine mentality of a lot of people is why

 

[glenn1]

A tourniquet would not qualify as 'stabilizing care' under any medical definition I am aware of. I know you're just impotently raging and aren't interested in any real discussion on this, but wouldn't you want your rage to at least be in the ballpark of correct?

Why should I care about what happens to some random shot gangbanger? And you're right, a tourniquet wouldn't count which is why hospitals are closing rapidly in urban areas so poor people won't get treated regardless. Good luck with the "free" healthcare when doctors will purposely move to get away from you.

 

[glenn1]

The fuck you, i got mine mentality of a lot of people is why

Actually, the "fuck you, I'm going to take yours and give it to them" mentality is why.

 

[Brovane]

Why should I care about what happens to some random shot gangbanger? And you're right, a tourniquet wouldn't count which is why hospitals are closing rapidly in urban areas so poor people won't get treated regardless. Good luck with the "free" healthcare when doctors will purposely move to get away from you.

It isn't free heatlhcare, except for the gang banger. We still pay for it either throuh MediCaid or through higher prices that the hospital's charge customers with insurance. The people that really get screwed are the people with either poor Health Insurance or no health insurance who make enough or have enough assets that they are not on MediCaid. They really get hoosed.

 

[Incorruptible]

It's because we are a nation of morons.

Seriously. Every other first world nation spends far less on health care both in terms of % of GDP and in absolute dollars but has 100% coverage, zero medical bankruptcies, more contented populaces, and economies that are not burdened by health insurance concerns.

In the meantime, we are spending more and getting less health care.

We are a nation of free market dogmatist morons, and that is the reason why our nation is going to slowly transform into a third world nation where a small percentage of people will be very rich and the rest will be poor.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. The free market works and only a free market healthcare system would fix our current problems.

If you like universal healthcare so much why not move to Canada?

And then have to suffer like this kid

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...th-eye-disease-denied-funding/article4240762/

 

[CrackRabbit]

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. The free market works and only a free market healthcare system would fix our current problems.

If you like universal healthcare so much why not move to Canada?

And then have to suffer like this kid

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...th-eye-disease-denied-funding/article4240762/

Still not bright enough to figure out that the US has a mostly free market system already, and that it sucks.
I can only hope that one day you have to deal with the system when you don't have insurance and see how much fun it can be.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. The free market works and only a free market healthcare system would fix our current problems.

If you like universal healthcare so much why not move to Canada?

And then have to suffer like this kid

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...th-eye-disease-denied-funding/article4240762/

Lol what a pathetic attempt. Want to compare with the number of people in the United States denied procedures by their insurance company? The number who don't have the luxury of even having insurance to try and pay for something?

How about you go talk to my family who endured Parkinsons Disease and colon cancer, a stroke, gall bladder removal, kidney cancer, 2 month hospitalization for sodium deficiency. This was all in a period of about 3 years. None of them denied care, none of them bankrupted. none had to worry about whether or not they would even be entitled to care.

I've posted it before and I'll say it again. There's a reason over 90% of Canadians repeatedly say they don't want a U.S. styled system irrelevant of the faults that may exist in the current.

 

[Texashiker]

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. The free market works and only a free market healthcare system would fix our current problems.

While I agree with you on a lot of stuff, I have to disagree on the free market concept fixing the health care problem.

How are the working poor who are barley getting by supposed to buy health care?

Why aren't companies like walmart forced to provide health care for their employees? While a record number of people are on welfare, companies like apple pull in record profits.

If the federal government threw as much money into health care as the spent on foreign aid, we would have universal health care.

How many hospitals could a single ICBM nuclear missile fund?

The government is throwing money at military contractors to build more tanks, while we have homeless and working poor who need healthcare.

 

[Incorruptible]

Still not bright enough to figure out that the US has a mostly free market system already, and that it sucks.
I can only hope that one day you have to deal with the system when you don't have insurance and see how much fun it can be.

Yes I know that you are still not bright enough to realize that the US doesn't have a free market system.

The US doesn't have a Free market system. It is a government and corporate run system.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Yes I know that you are still not bright enough to realize that the US doesn't have a free market system.

The US doesn't have a Free market system. It is a government and corporate run system.

You are to fucking dense to realize exactly how stupid you are. I feel sorry for your parents and if you have a job, your employer.