Lab Created Diamonds

[jagec]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Any 'created' stone has to be labeled as such. In the case of diamonds, it's a trademark or symbol laser etched onto the surface.

Got proof? First time I've heard of this. I know that some natural diamonds get laser engraved, but can you point me to a link showing that ALL artificial diamonds must be labeled as such?

If it's not, the appraiser won't be able to tell.

Originally posted by: virtualgames0 I learned that when a girl who loved guys giving her flowers told me that she didn't care much for the flowers, but the fact that you spent money on something you thought is pointless.. just for her. So I asked her, what if I brought flowers from my yard, and made it look as professional as the ones store bought. She told me it would lose the value.

That's just stupid. I could never date a girl who only cared about money. Spending time and effort growing, picking, and arranging flowers that you grew yourself involves a LOT more work and sacrifice than forking over a few dollars.

By her logic, those lawyers who spend a few minutes a day with the wife and kids, but buy them lots of expensive gifts, are better fathers and husbands than people who devote their time to family, rather than money.

 

[BigPoppa]

Appraisers and jewelers can tell: the fake diamonds are too perfect. Real diamonds do have some imperfection, thats why they have a rating system. But it is only a matter of time until the synthetic diamonds can be made with similar flaws to real diamonds.

 

[aceO07]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
All I was doing was pointing out the futility of trying to hide the fact that it was lab created, because any decent appraiser will be able to tell the difference and will adjust the valuation accordingly.

I know it doesn't make logical sense, but a near-perfect natural stone is worth more than a perfect created stone because the former is a rarity. Otherwise we would have dirt cheap flawless diamonds in everything from costume jewelry to celebrity pieces.

From what I've read, there isn't an easy way for diamond appraisers to know the difference without very expensive lab equipment. Which is why diamond sellers want to have manufactured diamonds marked. What's the point in getting it marked if it was truly so easy to tell.

Diamonds are NOT rare. It's all marketing. Supply is limited to keep the prices high.

 

[Kadarin]

The value inherent in diamonds (as jewelry) is entirely artificial, the result of excellent marketing on the part of DeBeers. It's disgusting.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Any 'created' stone has to be labeled as such. In the case of diamonds, it's a trademark or symbol laser etched onto the surface.

Got proof? First time I've heard of this. I know that some natural diamonds get laser engraved, but can you point me to a link showing that ALL artificial diamonds must be labeled as such?

If it's not, the appraiser won't be able to tell.

Originally posted by: virtualgames0 I learned that when a girl who loved guys giving her flowers told me that she didn't care much for the flowers, but the fact that you spent money on something you thought is pointless.. just for her. So I asked her, what if I brought flowers from my yard, and made it look as professional as the ones store bought. She told me it would lose the value.

That's just stupid. I could never date a girl who only cared about money. Spending time and effort growing, picking, and arranging flowers that you grew yourself involves a LOT more work and sacrifice than forking over a few dollars.

By her logic, those lawyers who spend a few minutes a day with the wife and kids, but buy them lots of expensive gifts, are better fathers and husbands than people who devote their time to family, rather than money.

Yeah it's sad.. but the kind of girls that highly value diamonds probably thinks in similar fashions.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: doze
Just don't tell your girl they came from a lab

My girl just told me the other day that she doesn't want a natural diamond after she became aware of the whole DeBeers diamond slavers thing.

I think many more will feel this way after Blood Diamond hits the theaters.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
yeah, there's something cool about knowing your diamonds were mined by slaves in order to finance ethnic cleansing .

:thumbsup:

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: jagec
Got proof? First time I've heard of this. I know that some natural diamonds get laser engraved, but can you point me to a link showing that ALL artificial diamonds must be labeled as such?

If it's not, the appraiser won't be able to tell.

The appraiser will be able to tell, artificial diamonds have minimal internal grain imperfections, and simulating nature there is not something that anyone has done. They also tend to be suspiciously pure.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Any 'created' stone has to be labeled as such. In the case of diamonds, it's a trademark or symbol laser etched onto the surface.

Got proof? First time I've heard of this. I know that some natural diamonds get laser engraved, but can you point me to a link showing that ALL artificial diamonds must be labeled as such?

If it's not, the appraiser won't be able to tell.

http://www.adiadiamonds.com/content/frequently-asked-questions/

The diamonds are etched.

 

[0roo0roo]

good, less money for blood diamonds. less money for scummy debeers. diamonds a diamond. if your girl isn't a total sh*t she won't care.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
good, less money for blood diamonds. less money for scummy debeers. diamonds a diamond. if your girl isn't a total sh*t she won't care.

if your girl isn't a total sh*t, she'd settle for zirconium. The price is what makes diamonds so desireable to women.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Appraisers and jewelers can tell: the fake diamonds are too perfect. Real diamonds do have some imperfection, thats why they have a rating system. But it is only a matter of time until the synthetic diamonds can be made with similar flaws to real diamonds.

I'm sure the time will come. It's called outsourcing.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
good, less money for blood diamonds. less money for scummy debeers. diamonds a diamond. if your girl isn't a total sh*t she won't care.

if your girl isn't a total sh*t, she'd settle for zirconium. The price is what makes diamonds so desireable to women.

well one things for sure, if shes a total sh*t she'll take the blood diamond AND keep her name

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
As worthless as a gemstone might be if we didn't arbitrarily assign value to them, there is always something I find intriguing about a natural stone that took millions of years to materialize versus something inside an autoclave in some warehouse. Chemically the same yes...but the journey there is vastly different.

don't forget about the part where there's something cool about knowing your diamonds were mined by slaves in order to finance ethnic cleansing.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
good, less money for blood diamonds. less money for scummy debeers. diamonds a diamond. if your girl isn't a total sh*t she won't care.

if your girl isn't a total sh*t, she'd settle for zirconium. The fact that they are shallow bitches is what makes diamonds so desireable to women.

Fixed.

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: BrownTown
yeah, there's something cool about knowing your diamonds were mined by slaves in order to finance ethnic cleansing .

:thumbsup:

QFT!!

i bought a chatham diamond for my fiance as an engagement ring. we mostly did it for social reasons. these diamonds are cultured, so they have imperfections and inclusions...as opposed to some diamonds that are created synthetically through CVD.

here's a pic of her blue diamond ring

however...the pic belies how marvelous it really looks in the light

stick it to debeers!

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: jpeyton
As worthless as a gemstone might be if we didn't arbitrarily assign value to them, there is always something I find intriguing about a natural stone that took millions of years to materialize versus something inside an autoclave in some warehouse. Chemically the same yes...but the journey there is vastly different.

But your girl will never know the difference.

Unless she ever gets her jewelry appraised for replacement value (which happens more often than you think).

it's a real diamond. it's better than most real diamonds, its completely flawless. you can't tell them apart. its not a zircon or something.

so for all practical purposes its the same thing...

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
good, less money for blood diamonds. less money for scummy debeers. diamonds a diamond. if your girl isn't a total sh*t she won't care.

if your girl isn't a total sh*t, she'd settle for zirconium. The fact that they are shallow bitches is what makes diamonds so desireable to women.

Fixed.

that too

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: doze
Just don't tell your girl they came from a lab

My girl just told me the other day that she doesn't want a natural diamond after she became aware of the whole DeBeers diamond slavers thing.

I think many more will feel this way after Blood Diamond hits the theaters.

I think you overestimate the number of people who care. I know I don't.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: doze
Just don't tell your girl they came from a lab

My girl just told me the other day that she doesn't want a natural diamond after she became aware of the whole DeBeers diamond slavers thing.

I think many more will feel this way after Blood Diamond hits the theaters.

I think you overestimate the number of people who care. I know I don't.

Way to be proud of that. I talked to my girl about blood diamonds a few years ago, she was shocked to hear about it. She doesn't want one, so if a ring goes her way it will be a synthetic diamond or another gemstone alltogether. It just needs to be something that looks nice.

And the problem with the synthetic diamonds for Debeers isn't that there will now be a large supply, it's that there will be a large supply they don't control. There are already a surplus of diamonds mined, but only a percentage are released to the market.

 

[funboy6942]

Sorry but a "lab" made one sholdnt cost that much considering it took millions of years for the real ones to form, and hey if there is a process I can take my BBQ briquet and apply pressure to the point it becomes one where the hell do I buy the equipment? What a scam, its close enough IMO to making forged money. Your making a fake diamond, like money, and selling it, passing it off, as/for money or am I the only that can see that if they are asking alot for them?

A forger may spends hundreds of thousands of money on equipment to make millions of fake bills, what different then about the same to make a "fake" diamond. What you put "lab grown" and it makes it ok? If thats the case Im gonna fire up my scanner, call my office a lab, and start busting out some bills

 

[Gibsons]

Very old wired article about the synthetic diamonds Text

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Very old wired article about the synthetic diamonds Text

"Diamond, it turns out, is a geek's best friend. Not only is it the hardest substance known, it also has the highest thermal conductivity - tremendous heat can pass through it without causing damage. Today's speedy microprocessors run hot - at upwards of 200 degrees Fahrenheit. In fact, they can't go much faster without failing. Diamond microchips, on the other hand, could handle much higher temperatures, allowing them to run at speeds that would liquefy ordinary silicon. But manufacturers have been loath even to consider using the precious material, because it has never been possible to produce large diamond wafers affordably. With the arrival of Gemesis, the Florida-based company, and Apollo Diamond, in Boston, that is changing. Both startups plan to use the diamond jewelry business to finance their attempt to reshape the semiconducting world. "

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: funboy42
Sorry but a "lab" made one sholdnt cost that much considering it took millions of years for the real ones to form, and hey if there is a process I can take my BBQ briquet and apply pressure to the point it becomes one where the hell do I buy the equipment? What a scam, its close enough IMO to making forged money. Your making a fake diamond, like money, and selling it, passing it off, as/for money or am I the only that can see that if they are asking alot for them?

A forger may spends hundreds of thousands of money on equipment to make millions of fake bills, what different then about the same to make a "fake" diamond. What you put "lab grown" and it makes it ok? If thats the case Im gonna fire up my scanner, call my office a lab, and start busting out some bills

Well, there's laws against counterfeiting money, for one. Speeding up a natural process != counterfeiting, since it's not illegal in any way. All it is is a diamond that costs less and doesn't have the ethical issues of natural diamonds.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: jagec
Got proof? First time I've heard of this. I know that some natural diamonds get laser engraved, but can you point me to a link showing that ALL artificial diamonds must be labeled as such?

If it's not, the appraiser won't be able to tell.

http://www.adiadiamonds.com/content/frequently-asked-questions/

The diamonds are etched.

That's one company, voluntarily choosing to etch their stones. Doesn't mean that every single artificial diamond will be etched.

Originally posted by: funboy42
Sorry but a "lab" made one sholdnt cost that much considering it took millions of years for the real ones to form, and hey if there is a process I can take my BBQ briquet and apply pressure to the point it becomes one where the hell do I buy the equipment? What a scam, its close enough IMO to making forged money. Your making a fake diamond, like money, and selling it, passing it off, as/for money or am I the only that can see that if they are asking alot for them?

A forger may spends hundreds of thousands of money on equipment to make millions of fake bills, what different then about the same to make a "fake" diamond. What you put "lab grown" and it makes it ok? If thats the case Im gonna fire up my scanner, call my office a lab, and start busting out some bills

You really don't see the difference. Wow.