LA Fights Back: Hundreds of Pot Clubs to close

[WhipperSnapper]

Perhaps the 9 councilmen who voted for the ordinance will soon find themselves voted out of office.

 

[MotF Bane]

mother fucking fail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

I was looking for Patranus's justification, given as his post gave me the impression he supported this.

I will provide a court ruling (though I do not agree with the justification)
This is a perfect example of the abuse of the commerce clause.
(Thank you FDR)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

But apparently not, so I don't need to bother any further in here. :awe:

 

[Jhhnn]

The best laugh in the whole thread is Patranus blaming FDR for a decision rendered by Republican court appointees 65 years after FDR died... Not to mention the flailing about in search of a distraction of any kind...

 

[umbrella39]

thinks Patranus could really benefit from a deep, deep toke.

 

[drebo]

The best laugh in the whole thread is Patranus blaming FDR for a decision rendered by Republican court appointees 65 years after FDR died... Not to mention the flailing about in search of a distraction of any kind...

The precedent which was set by FDR is that the Commerce Clause applies to everything, which is simply not true. That's the "definition" "progressives" use to enact social policy under their "living Constitution" which basically says whatever they want it to.

Bottom line is that in-state growing, sale, and consumption of medicinal marijuana does not fall under the Commerce Clause and therefore is not the jurisdiction of the federal government. I think that, deep down, the federal government knows this which is why they have not been raiding these places or prosecuting the sellers, growers, and doctors that prescribe it. The federal ban on marijuana is lip service to morons, but it is at its heart a hollow, unenforcable law.

That said, I do not use nor do I have any desire to use any drugs except alcohol. I do, however, support anyone's right to use any drug they want as long as their use of the drug does not impinge upon my rights to life, liberty, and happiness.

 

[Patranus]

The best laugh in the whole thread is Patranus blaming FDR for a decision rendered by Republican court appointees 65 years after FDR died... Not to mention the flailing about in search of a distraction of any kind...

The court case only ruled on president not set it like the Supreme Court did when FDR threatened to stack the court in an effort to get his desired outcome.

Then again, if you had picked up a history book you might have know that

 

[werepossum]

Isn't it ironic that California has some of the most liberal policies towards marijuana yet it has some of the strictest policies towards cigarettes.....

In any event, I can't wait until the federal government decides it needs to crack down on drugs and the DEA shuts these places down. The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of the federal government in terms of regulating drugs. Unless congress lifts the ban on marijuana, it is still illegal and city/county/state government should be held accountable.

That is ironic, in a hilarious kind of way. That said, I can't get too worked up about all the abuse in these things, folks smoking one joint on the premises, as long as they aren't driving. I've seen a few people really helped by weed for chemo and also one girl for an inoperable brain tumor, brought more relief than any of the scrip drugs with none of the devastating side effects. For that matter, I don't care if people use it as a substitute for Tylenal, as long as they aren't driving and I don't have to subsidize them. As for the recreational smokers, I would imagine they are mostly people looking for a scrip to explain the failed pee test.

Hat tip to Ns1 for the remarkably quick and accurate response. I think that commerce clause is terribly overworked, but you did answer the man's question.

Drebo, I think one of the reasons the feds are steering clear might be that the Roberts court has shown its willingness to revert to a more strict interpretation of the Constitution. Neither party really wants to risk having to abide by what the Constitution actually says, so it's best not to risk a court case that might risk the "Living Constitution".

 

[JSt0rm]

How many people in LA have a legitimate need for medical marijuanna? 1 in 1000??

there are 10 million people here dude. 10 million D: fuck I hate the 405.

 

[Jhhnn]

The court case only ruled on president not set it like the Supreme Court did when FDR threatened to stack the court in an effort to get his desired outcome.

Then again, if you had picked up a history book you might have know that

Lame. This is the case you reference-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_Hotel_Co._v._Parrish

And is actually a ruling in support of State law, which followed the Federal law guidelines wrt minimum wage. It did not address the whole idea of Federal enforcement of law w/o a corresponding State statute...

You'd have known that, yourself, if you hadn't mistaken wingnut propaganda for history...

 

[Mursilis]

That said, I don't really believe there is an medical reason why MJ should be legal and the supporters of legalizing MJ are 100% full of shit IMO for trying to use a medical excuse. They are just a bunch of potheads trying to use a tiny fraction of the people in this country who might have some legitimate reason for using MJ (like begin able to eat while on chemo) in order to legalize their own addiction.

I'm pro-legalization, but I share your dislike of the "medical" MJ sidetrack. Does it help people in a medical sense? Maybe; I don't really know. However, I hear advocates make all sorts of outlandish claims, which only raises my skepticism. MJ should be legal because no gov't should be telling people how to live their own lives, not because it's some wonder-drug. That's always struck me as such an overhyped bunch of BS.

 

[Vic]

Mursilis, I agree completely. However, MJ does have many legitimate medical uses. Scientists in Israel have developed a variant of the THC molecule that promises to be a better painkiller than opiates, but with far fewer side effects (it doesn't get you high).

Cannabinoid molecules are naturally manufactured by the human body. THC mimics the neurotransmitter, anandamide, which plays essential roles in memory, pain, sleep, and eating. Essentially, it promises to be able to allow the brain to 'forget' pain before it's even aware of it, while promoting sleep and stimulating appetite in seriously ill patients.

Which is why cannabinoid research is one of the next big developments in the pharmaceutical industry, and another reason why the federal law needs to be changed. Marijuana's classification as a Schedule I drug prohibits American companies from doing research, giving advantage to foreign companies in this field of research.

And mark my words, THE next big painkiller will be the result of cannabinoid research.

 

[Genx87]

Well what fun is it if you cant get high?

 

[Mursilis]

Mursilis, I agree completely. However, MJ does have many legitimate medical uses. Scientists in Israel have developed a variant of the THC molecule that promises to be a better painkiller than opiates, but with far fewer side effects (it doesn't get you high).

Cannabinoid molecules are naturally manufactured by the human body. THC mimics the neurotransmitter, anandamide, which plays essential roles in memory, pain, sleep, and eating. Essentially, it promises to be able to allow the brain to 'forget' pain before it's even aware of it, while promoting sleep and stimulating appetite in seriously ill patients.

Which is why cannabinoid research is one of the next big developments in the pharmaceutical industry, and another reason why the federal law needs to be changed. Marijuana's classification as a Schedule I drug prohibits American companies from doing research, giving advantage to foreign companies in this field of research.

And mark my words, THE next big painkiller will be the result of cannabinoid research.

Interesting background info - thanks for providing it. All the more reason to legalize it then, to get the domestic research going so we can draw whatever real benefits MJ offers.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Lets get serious here.. the main reason 98.44% of you guys want this legalized is because you are just potheads. Stop using the excuse that you have cancer, glaucoma, headaches, turf toe, etc. You just want to get high. I'd consider myself SLIGHTLY in favor of legalizing it. Mostly because I don't think its that harmful and its kind of a waste of time and resources to persue all you stoners.

If you are going to come out in favor of it, at least be honest about WHY.. The main reason I am favor of it is because it would cause most 'progressives' to be too busy snacking than to vote.

 

[Mursilis]

Lets get serious here.. the main reason 98.44% of you guys want this legalized is because you are just potheads. Stop using the excuse that you have cancer, glaucoma, headaches, turf toe, etc. You just want to get high. I'd consider myself SLIGHTLY in favor of legalizing it. Mostly because I don't think its that harmful and its kind of a waste of time and resources to persue all you stoners.

If you are going to come out in favor of it, at least be honest about WHY.. The main reason I am favor of it is because it would cause most 'progressives' to be too busy snacking than to vote.

Just for the record, I've NEVER tried pot and don't have any strong desire to do so. Yet I still think it should be legalized - sometimes, it really is just about the principle of the matter.

 

[Jaskalas]

Anyone selling marijuana or using marijuana is still in violation of the law no matter where they do it in this country. It just sickens me that this country has so many laws that they choose not to enforce some of the time and yet enforce so harshly other times. Either put everyone using marijuana in jail or put none of them in jail, it doesn't make sense to have a law if you don't enforce it.

Makes perfect sense. If you don't enforce the law on everyone then you'll end up with people who you can selectively throw in jail. You can escape equal treatment and abuse selective people you happen to dislike.

 

[bamacre]

Well what fun is it if you cant get high?

My thoughts exactly!

 

[bamacre]

What ticks me off is when people ask "should we legalize marijuana to help boost the economy?"

No. It should be legal because we're a free society, capable of making our own decisions and accepting responsibility for our own actions.

 

[Mursilis]

What ticks me off is when people ask "should we legalize marijuana to help boost the economy?"

No. It should be legal because we're a free society, capable of making our own decisions and accepting responsibility for our own actions.

If only we all actually did that last part!

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times, thank you" ~Bill Hicks

 

[bfdd]

there are 10 million people here dude. 10 million D: fuck I hate the 405.

the 405 sucks jesus fucking christ if there's even a speck of moisture on it people damn near stop.

PS they don't want to shut down ALL clinics/clubs/collectives, just those operating illegally. which they should do. there are plenty of clinics/clubs/collectives that operate perfectly fine within the laws established for them.

 

[JSt0rm]

the 405 sucks jesus fucking christ if there's even a speck of moisture on it people damn near stop.

PS they don't want to shut down ALL clinics/clubs/collectives, just those operating illegally. which they should do. there are plenty of clinics/clubs/collectives that operate perfectly fine within the laws established for them.

I hate the people who ride their brakes all the way to the 101. Like they are gonna fall off the road or some shit.

 

[marincounty]

The dispensaries have to be 1000 ft from parks, libraries and schools? What BS.
It's either medicine or it isn't. I doubt drug stores or groceries that sell alcohol or cold medicine have to be 1000 ft from the same. At least be consistent with the laws.

 

[Drift3r]

Oh shit where are all those 20 something year old folks going to get there pot to alleviate their chronic "anxiety" issues. LOL

 

[rpanic]

Maybe now I will get less psychedelic flyers advertising pot on my cars windshield.