LA Clippers Owner Donald Sterling's Racist Rant Caught On Tape

[Retro Rob]

Yeah, cause millions are marching the streets screaming "KILL THE ah heck!!!!! KILL HIM NOW!!!!! Right?! Right?!

Hyperbole doesn't make your point. Rational argument/discussion does.

So you just focus on the hyperbole and didn't try to address the meat?

You can help me be more rational by being rationally engaging.

 

[highland145]

And the $$

But Jenkins said he would need to see "a sustained period of proof to the African American community that those words don't reflect his heart." He said the NAACP is negotiating with Sterling about him giving more money to black students at UCLA, but they haven't spoken since the scandal broke.

Where's the NAACP at Rutgers? Must be the NAACP-D The last thing they're concerned about is the advancement of most black people.

 

[Retro Rob]

I think he has a point. Although in this case white people are another white man's keeper. Black athletes will become other black athletes' keepers in the exact same situation - when the fans demand it and thus it threatens their own livelihood. At the moment, the fans are very tolerant of players' thuggish behavior and not at all tolerant of owners' racism. If the fans were intolerant of players' thuggish behavior and tolerant of owners' racism, we'd see players (and the league) taking other players to task and Sterling getting yet another pass. Silver is merely enforcing the fans' requirements. And unless and until those requirements change, players and the league will be less tolerant of those speaking out against bad behavior in specific players than of those engaging in the bad behavior.

To be honest, I hated his comments about blacks as they were deeply offensive and hateful.

But I think, as a race, we're outraged at unimportant things when compared to the issues we face as a race.

I don't like seeing this sort of unity from blacks when I don't see this sort of unity as regards the education, prison rate, and mortality rate when it comes to our own.

Sure, we some solidarity, but not as much as we need.

 

[werepossum]

To be honest, I hated his comments about blacks as they were deeply offensive and hateful.

But I think, as a race, we're outraged at unimportant things when compared to the issues we face as a race.

I don't like seeing this sort of unity from blacks when I don't see this sort of unity as regards the education, prison rate, and mortality rate when it comes to our own.

Sure, we some solidarity, but not as much as we need.

I agree completely.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So you just focus on the hyperbole and didn't try to address the meat?

You can help me be more rational by being rationally engaging.

There was actual 'meat' in your rant? Guess I couldn't find it.

 

[werepossum]

There was actual 'meat' in your rant? Guess I couldn't find it.

Go back and re-read it. There is a LOT of meat in that post, whether or not one agrees that it should affect the Sterling case.

 

[emperus]

To be honest, I hated his comments about blacks as they were deeply offensive and hateful.

But I think, as a race, we're outraged at unimportant things when compared to the issues we face as a race.

I don't like seeing this sort of unity from blacks when I don't see this sort of unity as regards the education, prison rate, and mortality rate when it comes to our own.

Sure, we some solidarity, but not as much as we need.

Racism probably affects mostly all those issues. Racism is an issue that unites all the classes of African Americans because it affects them all. Black skin is Black skin is Black skin.

 

[HomerJS]

Boy, Fox News still hates discussing race. Doc Rivers live press conference covered by CNN and MSNBC. Fox News moved back to Benghazi.

Their core audience does not have the stomach to deal with this.

 

[HomerJS]

My position can be summed up in this short summation:

Blacks need to clean up their own race in the NBA, before they can so-call "clean up" the problems with whites in the NBA.

Really you want to condemn only blacks in professional sport while leaving your heralded white boys unscathed??? Do you work for Fox News??

http://www.kwch.com/sports/sports-owners-who-have-been-punished/25718658

 

[Attic]

FWIW I think it is privilege that is used to keep down the non privileged more than race being used to keep down minorities. Fix racism and you will still have prejudice against the non privileged, which IMO is currently more damaging than racism to folks of all colors in the USA. Of course whites are the most privileged and I think this gets mixed up with racism more often than not when comparing how non privileged are used and abused by our system and businessmen. There are racists of all colors operating in various places, but it's systematic prejudice against non privileged that I see causing the most harm to non privileged. It does happen that higher percentages of minorities are non privileged.

That being said, ya Sterling is a racist ass. Looking at his roster the past few seasons I think he is just stubborn about admitting to himself that his beliefs are nonsensical and when it comes down to business that he will get the best regardless of color. But going after sterling fixes nothing important IMO regarding where inequality in the country is currently at.

 

[emperus]

. But going after sterling fixes nothing important IMO regarding where inequality in the country is currently at.

I'm not sure. The dismantling of the Voting Rights Act and the new Supreme Court Ruling against Affirmative Action all used the rational that Racism was no longer prevalent in out country. Sterling Coupled with Bundy exposes that for the lie it is and I think will beat back some of the "We live in a post racial" society nonsense and the weakening of protections. At least I hope.

 

[OCGuy]

"Fix" racism...ehhh.....

I find it hard to believe we will ever "fix" racism when it is so obvious that people don't even know what it is, or why it isn't exactly rare anywhere.

Unfortunately human evolution is not far enough removed from when it was a safety mechanism.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm not sure. The dismantling of the Voting Rights Act and the new Supreme Court Ruling against Affirmative Action all used the rational that Racism was no longer prevalent in out country. Sterling Coupled with Bundy exposes that for the lie it is and I think will beat back some of the "We live in a post racial" society nonsense and the weakening of protections. At least I hope.

and it affirms the contention of Justice Sotomayor, "race matters"

“Race matters. Race matters in part because of the long history of racial minorities’ being denied access to the political process,” she wrote, citing voting rights. “Race also matters because of persistent racial inequality in society—inequality that cannot be ignored and that has produced stark socioeconomic disparities,” she said, pointing to employment, poverty, health care, housing, consumer transactions and education.

“And race matters for reasons that really are only skin deep, that cannot be discussed any other way, and that cannot be wished away,” she continued. “Race matters to a young man’s view of society when he spends his teenage years watching where he grew up. Race matters to a young woman’s sense of self when she states her hometown, and then is pressed, 'No, where are you really from?', regardless of how many generations her family has been in the country. Race matters to a young person addressed by a stranger in a foreign language, which he does not understand because only English was spoken at home. Race matters because of the slights, the snickers, the silent judgments that reinforce that most crippling of thoughts: 'I do not belong here.'”

 

[emperus]

and it affirms the contention of Justice Sotomayor, "race matters"

That was very well written.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

and it affirms the contention of Justice Sotomayor, "race matters"

This and the Bundy thing sure were magnificent timing.

Sahil Kapur – April 23, 2014, 12:50 PM EDT

Justice Sonia Sotomayor's impassioned defense of race-conscious admissions policies Tuesday hit a nerve with conservatives and inflamed an already bitter ideological chasm over race in the Obama era.

The National Review published an editorial trashing the Obama-appointed justice's blistering dissent as "Orwellian" and "legally illiterate" after the Supreme Court upheld Michigan's ban on affirmative action.

"Her opinion is legally illiterate and logically indefensible, and the still-young career of this self-described 'wise Latina' on the Supreme Court already offers a case study in the moral and legal corrosion that inevitably results from elevating ethnic-identity politics over the law," wrote the editors of the influential magazine. "Justice Sotomayor has revealed herself as a naked and bare-knuckled political activist with barely even a pretense of attending to the law, and the years she has left to subvert the law will be a generation-long reminder of the violence the Obama administration has done to our constitutional order."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sonia-sotomayor-race-conservatives

 

[yllus]

I'm surprised and actually quite thrilled at how the NBA (via Silver) decided to handle this. A rare good job when lots and lots of money is on the line.

 

[werepossum]

and it affirms the contention of Justice Sotomayor, "race matters"

Don't forget that race matters because a wise Latina, with the richness of her experiences, will make better rulings than would a white man.

Quoting Sotomayor on racism is exactly equivalent to quoting the Hamburgler on lunch ethics.

 

[emperus]

Don't forget that race matters because a wise Latina, with the richness of her experiences, will make better rulings than would a white man.

Quoting Sotomayor on racism is exactly equivalent to quoting the Hamburgler on lunch ethics.

Hmm. I do believe that is a specious argument, sir.

Richness of experiences are important. At least that's what the right likes to tell us. I guess it boils down to how you see the law and the constitution. If it is a living breathing document, than the more experiences are probably better to inform in deciding the law.

In terms of the law(ruling) that her quote opined on. The episodes the last few weeks seems to back up that quote and the "richness of experience" she used in writing it and it suggests that those who made the opposite argument may be lacking the "richness of experiences".

Or better said in Latin.
Res ipsa loquitur.

Res being the racism we've seen the last two weeks.

 

[werepossum]

Hmm. I do believe that is a specious argument, sir.

Richness of experiences are important. At least that's what the right likes to tell us. I guess it boils down to how you see the law and the constitution. If it is a living breathing document, than the more experiences are probably better to inform in deciding the law.

In terms of the law(ruling) that her quote opined on. The episodes the last few weeks seems to back up that quote and the "richness of experience" she used in writing it and it suggests that those who made the opposite argument may be lacking the "richness of experiences".

Or better said in Latin.
Res ipsa loquitur.

Res being the racism we've seen the last two weeks.

lol So "richness of experience" is a minority thing. Gotcha.

Yep, no racism there, just an understanding that white people are inherently inferior because of their experience richness deficit.

 

[shira]

If you don't want to lose your job over private conversations, try not saying horrible racist shit in a "job" that has a morality clause and cares a lot about the image of the organization.

But the point is that the company you work for doesn't need to have a "morality clause" or ANY official policy toward "bad speech." If you're goofing around with friends and say something off-color in private, only to find it posted on facebook, your company could easily fire you for causing them bad publicity. And your entire career could be ruined. Do you think that's right?

What percentage of people do you think have NEVER said anything in private that would look extremely bad if spread over the internet? I would be surprised if the figure exceeds one or two percent. And if that's true, just think of the implications if it becomes acceptable to punish people for words they reasonably believe are private.

No, the "solution" isn't for everyone to censor their private speech - that's a society I don't want to live in. The solution is to teach people that actions and private words are entirely different things. Sterling should have taken the fall because of his past racist actions, not because the public has finally discovered through illegally recorded private words that he's a racist.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Don't forget that race matters because a wise Latina, with the richness of her experiences, will make better rulings than would a white man.

Quoting Sotomayor on racism is exactly equivalent to quoting the Hamburgler on lunch ethics.

Taking one sentence out of context of an entire speech and claiming it is the sole defining viewpoint of someone is an absurd display of ignorance, and something that you're better than. That speech is about the need for diversity of opinion in the court systems, not saying that the courts would be better if only Latina women were judges. As long as we're cherry-picking single lines, why not this one: "No one person, judge or nominee will speak in a female or people of color voice." Puts a completely different spin on things, and also manages to completely misrepresent what's being said. Maybe we should stop looking for soundbites and consider the entirety of the argument?

 

[nehalem256]

I'm not sure. The dismantling of the Voting Rights Act and the new Supreme Court Ruling against Affirmative Action all used the rational that Racism was no longer prevalent in out country. Sterling Coupled with Bundy exposes that for the lie it is and I think will beat back some of the "We live in a post racial" society nonsense and the weakening of protections. At least I hope.

Yep clearly the drunken rantings of some old 80 year old white guy, who by the way was given awards by the NAACP, and runs a business paying black men millions of dollars, and dates black women, clearly shows racism is still a problem :hmm:

I think what is really funny is that racism is essentially caused by intrinsic tribalism. If you keep making it clear that white people and black people are part of different tribes with things like affirmative action racism will never end. But of course liberals don't really want racism to end.

 

[werepossum]

But the point is that the company you work for doesn't need to have a "morality clause" or ANY official policy toward "bad speech." If you're goofing around with friends and say something off-color in private, only to find it posted on facebook, your company could easily fire you for causing them bad publicity. And your entire career could be ruined. Do you think that's right?

What percentage of people do you think have NEVER said anything in private that would look extremely bad if spread over the internet? I would be surprised if the figure exceeds one or two percent. And if that's true, just think of the implications if it becomes acceptable to punish people for words they reasonably believe are private.

No, the "solution" isn't for everyone to censor their private speech - that's a society I don't want to live in. The solution is to teach people that actions and private words are entirely different things. Sterling should have taken the fall because of his past racist actions, not because the public has finally discovered through illegally recorded private words that he's a racist.

In theory I agree, but in practice his illegally recorded private words were what caused the league damage - or would have, had they not taken quick and brutal action. We can't unknow something just because we shouldn't learn it. We CAN choose to ignore it, and from a legal standpoint we must. But from a non-judicial standpoint, that causes problems too. It teaches that the sentiments are okay, it's just rude to say them in public.

Taking one sentence out of context of an entire speech and claiming it is the sole defining viewpoint of someone is an absurd display of ignorance, and something that you're better than. That speech is about the need for diversity of opinion in the court systems, not saying that the courts would be better if only Latina women were judges. As long as we're cherry-picking single lines, why not this one: "No one person, judge or nominee will speak in a female or people of color voice." Puts a completely different spin on things, and also manages to completely misrepresent what's being said. Maybe we should stop looking for soundbites and consider the entirety of the argument?

If this were one single line I'd agree, but this is a theme she has hammered home over and over again. When someone unequivocally and repeatedly says that people with her complexion and culture are superior, I tend to accept that this is what she actually means even while accepting that her speeches may also touch on other, different themes.

 

[bradly1101]

After this episode I really fear for this country and what she stands for; free speech and privacy (among others). I feel like I was watching a disapproving, mob descend on Mr. Sterling. Again I couldn't disagree with him more.

My dad and grandma were very racist. It wasn't politically correct, but they knew to not broadcast it publicly, like Mr. Sterling.

We're collectively shaming this man from our guts (where TMZ's attraction lies), but can we not see with our brains that in public this NAACP award winner was for the most part not racist, and that privately he held different beliefs.

What if we all were held to a standard of what our private feelings are about anything. Plenty of people from both races feel uncomfortable with the other race and hold such thoughts. George Jefferson, like Archie Bunker, was based on reality.

Sterling's ex-girlfriend knew just what to do and say to get this recording to be able to hurt this guy via his own private thoughts, and we fell for it and became a virtual torch-wielding, simian mob. I'm sorry, but I'm ashamed for society with this episode.

 

[mchammer187]

Yep clearly the drunken rantings of some old 80 year old white guy, who by the way was given awards by the NAACP, and runs a business paying black men millions of dollars, and dates black women, clearly shows racism is still a problem :hmm:

I think what is really funny is that racism is essentially caused by intrinsic tribalism. If you keep making it clear that white people and black people are part of different tribes with things like affirmative action racism will never end. But of course liberals don't really want racism to end.

Lol like the NAACP 's LA chapter is the arbiter of all things race.

Remember how much flak Obama got when he won the Nobel Peace Price?

I guess since Obama won the Nobel peace prize you will admit that he is the ultimate ambassador of goodwill and a true peacemaker.