LA Clippers Owner Donald Sterling's Racist Rant Caught On Tape

[emperus]

Had he been allowed to keep the team, the subsequent shaming and ostracizing which then forces him to sell and leave in shame seems more fitting. Never happen, I know.

That's how normally it should/would work out. But, in this case as his team value falls and the NBA seems incapable of doing anything about it, the value of the other franchises falls as well.

A lot of people I knew were very serious about Never supporting the NBA again. It wasn't until the NBA commissioners comments that they acquiesced.

Unfortunately, the collective brand of the NBA is tied with each franchise.

 

[rudder]

Maybe the issue will resolve itself...

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/...angeles-clippers-owner-donald-sterling-cancer

 

[smackababy]

If the NBA CBA is similar to how other sports handle the selling and buying of a franchise, every current owner of the rest of the teams will collect a nice little sum of money due to the fee paid for the transfer of ownership.

IIRC, Sterling bought the Clippers for 10 to 12 million, and stands to sell for $500 million according to some estimates. The selling of a professional sports team is usually how most of the profit is made.

Not sure I am 100% comfortable with someone fired or forced to sell a company or team based on something said in what he assumed to be private.

Had he been allowed to keep the team, the subsequent shaming and ostracizing which then forces him to sell and leave in shame seems more fitting. Never happen, I know.

I've heard valuations of up to $1 billion.

I guess some owners met (10 I believe) and decided to proceed with forcing him to sell. So, 10 of the 29 NBA owners can now decided to force someone else out? That seems a bit unjust.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I've heard valuations of up to $1 billion.

I guess some owners met (10 I believe) and decided to proceed with forcing him to sell. So, 10 of the 29 NBA owners can now decided to force someone else out? That seems a bit unjust.

No, the 10 people who met are an advisory committee who determine whether the case gets taken to the next level, which is a vote by ALL the owners. The results of THAT vote are what will determine Sterling's fate. It does appear that they will get the minimum of 22 votes needed to force the sale, but this 10-member advisory council doesn't have that power themselves.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Tell me something: how can he "let the tape be made and disseminated" if he didn't know he was being recorded?

You're a dumbass, plain and simple.

According to at least one source, he knew he was being recorded. "The recordings that have been released were made in September, and Sterling knew he was being recorded, the source told Shelburne. Stiviano has several additional hours of audio and video recordings of Sterling, according to the source." He did not know that they would be disseminated, but he made them intentionally (I heard one of the talking heads claim he did it because he was getting forgetful and wanted to be able to revisit past conversations, which this source seems to corroborate).

 

[smackababy]

According to at least one source, he knew he was being recorded. "The recordings that have been released were made in September, and Sterling knew he was being recorded, the source told Shelburne. Stiviano has several additional hours of audio and video recordings of Sterling, according to the source." He did not know that they would be disseminated, but he made them intentionally (I heard one of the talking heads claim he did it because he was getting forgetful and wanted to be able to revisit past conversations, which this source seems to corroborate).

Wasn't that the same source that also claims they didn't release the tapes, but instead sent only portions (the racist portions) to a friend who then released them?

 

[emperus]

I could understand most of these points better if the NBA wasn't a legal cartel. But, they are. The NBA oks employee (player) compensation, ticket prices, revenues, even who buys a team.

 

[Retro Rob]

According to at least one source, he knew he was being recorded. "The recordings that have been released were made in September, and Sterling knew he was being recorded, the source told Shelburne. Stiviano has several additional hours of audio and video recordings of Sterling, according to the source." He did not know that they would be disseminated, but he made them intentionally (I heard one of the talking heads claim he did it because he was getting forgetful and wanted to be able to revisit past conversations, which this source seems to corroborate).

Good. But whether or not he knew they were being recorded still doesn't make the releasing of them to TMZ less unethical or less wrong.

If you and I were having a personal conversation, I'm mentally recording your words, and you're intentionally telling me as well. Does that mean that I can go tell the world just because you knew I'd remember our conversation?

You reveal information in confidence under the expectation that it would stay that way. I'm going have a lawyer draw me up a set of legalities that I'd everyone sign before talking with them -- that's exactly where we're headed in this society.

Maybe it would be in a form of a gag order, or something similar, that would legally bar the other party from divulging the contents of said conversation verbally, electronically, or in written form.... among others.

 

[TerryMathews]

Good. But whether or not he knew they were being recorded still doesn't make the releasing of them to TMZ less unethical or less wrong.

If you and I were having a personal conversation, I'm mentally recording your words, and you're intentionally telling me as well. Does that mean that I can go tell the world just because you knew I'd remember our conversation?

You reveal information in confidence under the expectation that it would stay that way. I'm going have a lawyer draw me up a set of legalities that I'd everyone sign before talking with them -- that's exactly where we're headed in this society.

I saw on reddit today that this woman was employed as his personal archivist. If that is true, doesn't she run into work product and trade secret laws in Cali?

 

[Retro Rob]

I saw on reddit today that this woman was employed as his personal archivist. If that is true, doesn't she run into work product and trade secret laws in Cali?

According to a report I saw, the tape was released by a trusted "third party"....a friend she allegedly gave it to for safe keeping.

 

[smackababy]

According to a report I saw, the tape was released by a trusted "third party"....a friend she allegedly gave it to for safe keeping.

Except, she is claiming she only gave excerpts (the bad parts released) to the friend. Why would she give those to a third party and why would she only give out of context, worst of the worst? I'd wager she either released them herself OR was hoping to use them against Sterling in the future.

 

[Retro Rob]

Except, she is claiming she only gave excerpts (the bad parts released) to the friend. Why would she give those to a third party and why would she only give out of context, worst of the worst? I'd wager she either released them herself OR was hoping to use them against Sterling in the future.

Yes, because they gravy train was ending, and she needed one last "AH HA" before going back to being the slut she was.

I don't feel bad for that racist, but what I do abhor in the scant'less manner in which this all took place.

The end doesn't justify the means.

 

[emperus]

Good. But whether or not he knew they were being recorded still doesn't make the releasing of them to TMZ less unethical or less wrong.

If you and I were having a personal conversation, I'm mentally recording your words, and you're intentionally telling me as well. Does that mean that I can go tell the world just because you knew I'd remember our conversation?

You reveal information in confidence under the expectation that it would stay that way. I'm going have a lawyer draw me up a set of legalities that I'd everyone sign before talking with them -- that's exactly where we're headed in this society.

Maybe it would be in a form of a gag order, or something similar, that would legally bar the other party from divulging the contents of said conversation verbally, electronically, or in written form.... among others.

So you would throw out every testimony in court based on personal conversations that people thought were private? Or you would expect someone who may know about a bombing via a personal private conversation to stay quiet because it was a private conversation. The law already grants confidentiality in some instances, doctor, wife, etc. And again, if you decide to have a private convo outside those exceptions. It's on you to expect whatever may come from it.

You're taking this defense so far I'm really not sure you understand what you are arguing anymore.

 

[nehalem256]

So you would throw out every testimony in court based on personal conversations that people thought were private? Or you would expect someone who may know about a bombing via a personal private conversation to stay quiet because it was a private conversation. The law already grants confidentiality in some instances, doctor, wife, etc. And again, if you decide to have a private convo outside those exceptions. It's on you to expect whatever may come from it.

You're taking this defense so far I'm really not sure you understand what you are arguing anymore.

Right, because making racist comments in private is akin to wanting to kill people

 

[emperus]

Right, because making racist comments in private is akin to wanting to kill people

Thanks for the honesty. That is what I was wondering. I was wondering whether you had an issue with revealing private conversations at all. I think you answered that one. So you are saying you are ok with revealing private conversations. You just believe that this type of issue doesn't rise to that level.

I've been asking Retro that for a while. He seems to not want to answer. But, don't let me put words in your mouth. You can clarify.

 

[Retro Rob]

So you would throw out every testimony in court based on personal conversations that people thought were private? Or you would expect someone who may know about a bombing via a personal private conversation to stay quiet because it was a private conversation. The law already grants confidentiality in some instances, doctor, wife, etc. And again, if you decide to have a private convo outside those exceptions. It's on you to expect whatever may come from it.

You're taking this defense so far I'm really not sure you understand what you are arguing anymore.

Bombs threats are federal offenses -- one is obligated, by law, to report it.

 

[emperus]

Bombs threats are federal offenses -- one is obligated, by law, to report it.

So, you agree then that some things we hold to be private conversations are ok to be shared?

 

[emperus]

Yes, because they gravy train was ending, and she needed one last "AH HA" before going back to being the slut she was.

I don't feel bad for that racist, but what I do abhor in the scant'less manner in which this all took place.

The end doesn't justify the means.

Wait, this guy was paying this girl for sex. Not only that, in the conversations he sounds like he was pretty demeaning and manipulative to her. So, you expect some women who has questionable morals already (she is sleeping with an 80 year old man for money), who probably is only around you because you pay her to, who you say half her family is equal to dogs, who you demean to somehow have loyalty to you? smh

The responsibility belongs to Sterling alone. He needs to accept the personal responsibility for the terrible choices he made.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Right, because making racist comments in private is akin to wanting to kill people

Says the guy calling what's happening a 'crucifixion'.

You funny. Make everyone laugh.

 

[smackababy]

Yes, because they gravy train was ending, and she needed one last "AH HA" before going back to being the slut she was.

I don't feel bad for that racist, but what I do abhor in the scant'less manner in which this all took place.

The end doesn't justify the means.

Sterling's wife was also suing her for the return of gifts wasn't she? This girl got a $1.2 million duplex as a "gift". She also claims they didn't have a sexual relationship, however, Sterling made it pretty clear when he said the nature of their relationship was "sex for money; money for sex".

 

[Nebor]

I can't believe this idiot was paying millions of dollars for sex with that woman. He could have done much better for much less.

 

[Attic]

One thing is clear, that woman is Fugly. Gums that run to her cheekbones, god forbid you catch her in a moment of glee.

Perhaps fitting for such a scumbag as Sterling.

I typically go by the old adage,

There is no karma. Assholes win every day. There is only justice.

Not really old or an adage, but I like it. Though maybe Sterling got served by some good old Karma here.

 

[Oldgamer]

What I find odd about all this is he is still with her and she with him. He went with her in the limo to the Barabara Walters Interview. He told the media his wife stopped having sex with him after 2 years of marriage so he was seeking a sex companion I guess, but then she denies it. The woman is a bit trippy though because she made no sense in that interview at all.

 

[trenchfoot]

And above all of this, he is still a very wealthy man that can buy anything he wants......well, except another basketball team.....in his name. I guess he's already ruminating about how he can still own a basketball team through the myriad sleight of hand legalese that the wealthy have crafted for themselves.

I don't count this guy out for a nanosecond.

 

[bradly1101]

I noticed that Bob Schieffer was attempting to solve humanity's race relations on his show this morning via this story.

I'm not sure there's anything to solve. Unless people have overcome their natural fear of others who look too different by now, I doubt the older ones ever will change their hate/bigotry/racism/intolerance - FEAR.

The younger generation seems more accepting though, so hopefully things will get better. I've seen white on black hate, and I've seen and experienced it the other way around. So it still exists, but rarely as intensely as in Sterling and Bundy (and many in their generation), yet they have these huge megaphones obtained in unseemly ways. Why do we listen? I never payed attention to my grandma's racist rants.