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L4D2 Performs BETTER on Linux

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brandonb said:
Linux and Apple have been coming along nicely in the last decade. However, nobody has made any significant progress in getting games onto those platforms. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Even back years ago, when OpenGL was used more frequently, it still didn't happen. There would have to be a ton of work to reverse the trend. Not just Valve.

I have a feeling they will put alot of work into Linux, and in 2-3 years they will abandon the idea for lack of sales. It's hard enough to get games on the PC even with Windows, as "piracy", etc etc etc. If people are whining about Microsoft and having to pay for an OS when Linux is free. Do we really expect people to be buying games on this platform?

More power to Valve. But honestly, I see it being a stupid move.
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To be fair, apple isnt playing hard in the desktop market place. They were smart and moved to other marketplaces where the competitors were not ready for the innovation level Apple was bringing to the table.

The valve idea to also port to Linux is a great idea in theory. However, it is only the first step of a journey. Plus an issue is, a lot of the games in steam are more or less programmed with windows in mind. I don't know how steam will be able to get them to work fine on linux, if the base coding of the game was produced with Windows.
 
Gordon Freemen said:
God some people just don't get it you don't get it man. Did it take monetary motivation when you were fuckin you GF/Wife/BF etc. I sure hope your were not thinking your unborn kids will bring you money as your motivation to be a man LOL.
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its great to chose wisely.. what kind of car do you own.. oh wait.. you dont, as cars cause polution, accidents and quite often death. Not to mention they use oil (even those electric ones do, in fact the oil used to make and develop those batteries is actually more then a conventional car would ahve used in its lifetime). your cloths.. buy anything from target/walmart/ heck GAP etc..? some form of child labor is used or at least some underpaid person is exploited. What about your job, Im pretty sure the peace core is the "right" thing to do.. but if your like me and want a house, that video game On linux etc.. you have to be PAID!

sorry.. just being over dramatic.. like you 🙂 I do understand your point, and dont disagree with it.. but its unrealistic to think we all make choices based purely on whats best, looks best, is best.. Fun/love/etc are motivated by a ton of things and we tend to make choices on them alot differntly then a pair of jeans you are going to buy.. putting food in your mouth (and kids mouths) and roof over your head is motivation to MAKE MONEY, not GREED.. again, dont get me wrong.. plenty of people are motivated by greed..
 
Red Storm said:
No, but it's one step towards improving the Linux gaming scene.

I don't understand why anyone likes gaming being tied to Windows alone.
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Making a game compatible with a platform with very little market share and appeal definitely isn't going to make games cheaper and is arguably wasted development, both in terms of resources spent and the number of end users that benefit from it.
 
diesbudt said:
To be fair, apple isnt playing hard in the desktop market place. They were smart and moved to other marketplaces where the competitors were not ready for the innovation level Apple was bringing to the table.

The valve idea to also port to Linux is a great idea in theory. However, it is only the first step of a journey. Plus an issue is, a lot of the games in steam are more or less programmed with windows in mind. I don't know how steam will be able to get them to work fine on linux, if the base coding of the game was produced with Windows.
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Wouldn't work for everything, but bundling wine with games the same way they bundle DOSBox with some games could go a long way.
 
darkewaffle said:
Making a game compatible with a platform with very little market share and appeal definitely isn't going to make games cheaper and is arguably wasted development, both in terms of resources spent and the number of end users that benefit from it.
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You say that as if keeping things the way they are is going to make games cheaper. It's not.

I applaud Valve for making the effort, rather than just accepting things as they are.

Seriously, this can only be a good thing for us gamers.
 
Red Storm said:
You say that as if keeping things the way they are is going to make games cheaper. It's not.

I applaud Valve for making the effort, rather than just accepting things as they are.

Seriously, this can only be a good thing for us gamers.
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Actually I think that just the way things are, [new] games currently are cheaper than ever and have been slowly trending that way. I just pre-ordered Borderlands 2 (and essentially the first 'DLC') for right around $40. Compared to twelve years ago where I remember paying $60-$70 for brand new N64 carts. It likely won't affect MSRP, but rather how quickly and how generously discounts can occur though. There's lots more variables at play here than Linux compatibility (probably due to increased digital competition more than anything else), but I think it's easier than ever to find games below the traditional $60 mark.

I don't have a problem with more games supporting Linux, though I get nothing out of it. But neither will most people, and that's why I think it'll be difficult to make a case for even bothering to support it. Simple cost benefit analysis.
 
dougp said:
Newell's ignorant statement of Windows being a closed platform is just absurd, the truth is he doesn't like competition from the largest software manufacturer.
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MS has the advantage of being bundled in the OS, which we have seen in the past, is the ultimate competitive advantage. I wouldnt blame Gabe if he claimed Windows 8 funds terrorists.
 
darkewaffle said:
I don't have a problem with more games supporting Linux, though I get nothing out of it. But neither will most people, and that's why I think it'll be difficult to make a case for even bothering to support it. Simple cost benefit analysis.
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Get nothing out of it yet. I would love nothing more than the dump Windows for good. Gaming is the only reason why I have Windows at home. I'll take free over having to pay for an OS every time.
 
Childs said:
MS has the advantage of being bundled in the OS, which we have seen in the past, is the ultimate competitive advantage. I wouldnt blame Gabe if he claimed Windows 8 funds terrorists.
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MS App Store might be an advantage, but MS publishes so few games now that I don't see how it's any different than developers going directly to Steam or the MS App Store. It really comes down to who will have a better structure in place for payments, etc. but considering MS recently caught flack for a $20,000 fee for patching (it's legit, but whatever) then who knows.

Red Storm said:
Get nothing out of it yet. I would love nothing more than the dump Windows for good. Gaming is the only reason why I have Windows at home. I'll take free over having to pay for an OS every time.
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Do you only play Source engine games? If not, you might want to just find out if you can get Wine to run the rest.
 
irishScott said:
Wouldn't work for everything, but bundling wine with games the same way they bundle DOSBox with some games could go a long way.
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If I could chime in here T but the idea of Valve putting an official Steam client on Linux Natively would mean there is no need to use the more often then not buggy ass "Wine" program ect.
 
dougp said:
MS App Store might be an advantage, but MS publishes so few games now that I don't see how it's any different than developers going directly to Steam or the MS App Store. It really comes down to who will have a better structure in place for payments, etc. but considering MS recently caught flack for a $20,000 fee for patching (it's legit, but whatever) then who knows.



Do you only play Source engine games? If not, you might want to just find out if you can get Wine to run the rest.
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Wine is pretty terrible for the most part unless you don't mind bugs and often very low frame rates not to mention it's a real pain sometime to even get a game running on Wine even then it's often buggy.
 
Jaskalas said:
That's a great point to make.

The game is not performing the same actions. Yes, the end result is better, but were any sacrifices made in GFX to get there?
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L4D of Linux even looked better a little bit IMHO through Wine but the performance Framerates were all messed up all over the place.
 
Just to put everything into prospective.

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Secondary source which paints the same picture. Furthermore if you remove mobile OS's and just leave desktop OS's you see Windows having an even greater lead. This is after the hub bub of the late 90's and early 2000 years where everyone was pushing Linux hardcore on the desktop. Hell even Apple has a greater share of desktop space then Linux.

http://netmarketshare.com/operating...10&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=W&qpsp=679&qpnp=32
 
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