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dougp said:
You really have no idea what you're talking about and should probably just stop trying to argue with people here.
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No idea sir you have no idea about the value that OPEN SOURCE plays in today's world now do you. Go back to getting raped by big Corporation you sheep instead of calling me down for having love for OPEN SOURCE code. If you have anything good to add then I suggest you do so otherwise move along for you have added nothing but unfounded insults idiot.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
You can fold up your arms and stomp your feet and blurt out what you believe is true but it doesn't make your position hold water.

I do not see the gaming industry shifting unless there is a major demand for ported Linux games materializing in the near future and that would mean people are abandoning Windows in large numbers not just for gaming but for business and other commercial apps built for a windows home desktop. Thus for this demand in the gaming industry to occur on a Linux platform it would require more then just Steam and Valve games being ported over to Windows.

In other words it would require major business and home desktop application vendors porting over their software to Linux in addition to major hardware support from large and significant hardware vendors.

For all this to occur Linux and its maintainers would have to change the core premise upon which Linux itself (i.e. a open platform) is built on in a significant fashion ( i.e. upholding, securing and maintaining patents for software and hardware vendors.) which would be against the core ethos of most Linux developers and supporters.

Since there is no mainstream desire or support from Linux OS developers to do the above their won't be any major ports of significant business and home desktop application software and a lot new hardware (which includes gaming hardware) will remain unsupported until hardware vendors release specs or someone hacks a unsupported driver to make said hardware work. Thus the average Joe won't ditch windows over Linux solely because of Steam being available on Linux especially since it is already available or him on Windows.

So steam alone will not be enough to draw over the masses. However I am more then willing to admit that it would lay down some important foundations for commercial software distribution of games but this still alone won't make Linux a competitive gaming platform. For that to happen there must be a significant materialization of Linux users for other game developers to spend the money to port a game over to Linux and that as stated above will not be materializing unless there is a radical shift in the foundations of Linux itself that major Linux developers would never support.

So again I suspect Gabe Newell understands this which is why he won't be abandoning Windows anytime soon. Which means people will just stick to windows 7 en mass and game developers will continue to cater to that market-place with its significant user base over Linux or Apple and its current Steam port.
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If you don't agree with the OpenSource philosophy then you can move along sheep.
 
I think the interesting thing with Valve experimenting with porting Source to Linux is related to that rumored SteamBox console from a little while ago. If they can combine the two and run the SteamBox on a Linux core they could control vendor drivers for the system better and create a somewhat upgradable console/pc hybrid with direct steam support. Setting themselves up as the "first-party" dev and letting 3rd parties release games through steam that support the system. It would take a lot of work on their part and some sort of DevKit plus getting driver support for the system by controlling some aspects of the hardware while not completely locking it down. Offering limited variability, 1 single "Steam OS" for the system so hardware vendors could have an easier time with drivers. Could be interesting.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
Which includes basically every major vendor of software and hardware in the gaming industry and all other PC related software and hardware industries.
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Sounds ^ like an Apple sentiment to me LOL. If every major vendor of software had been a bit more OPEN MINDED and creative they would find other ways to cheat a nickle and dime out of people and in turn create a better product like Linux but no the bottom line is all that matter to the "Share Holders" hence the economic collapse. Linux was made better on something called PASSION not GREED.
 
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Glitchny said:
I think the interesting thing with Valve experimenting with porting Source to Linux is related to that rumored SteamBox console from a little while ago. If they can combine the two and run the SteamBox on a Linux core they could control vendor drivers for the system better and create a somewhat upgradable console/pc hybrid with direct steam support.
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I would buy into it but last I heard of the "SteamBox" it was binned :-(
 
Gordon Freemen said:
Sounds ^ like an Apple sentiment to me LOL. If every major vendor of software had been a bit more OPEN MINDED and creative they would find other ways to cheat a nickle and dime out of people and in turn create a better product like Linux but no the bottom line is all that matter to the "Share Holders" hence the economic collapse. Linux was made better on something called PASSION not GREED.
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Oh god the "Greed" argument. 🙄

What you label as "Greed" others realize can often be ambition. The incentives to support ambition which have pushed the PC industry to the success it has only arrived to at its current levels today in our free market society are ue to the principles of rewarding successful decisions with profits and rewarding failure/bad decisions by firms going out of business.

Thus those who can sate the demand of consumers and provide competitive products flourish and those who cannot go bankrupt or at best languish in obscurity. Yet no one's position in the market-place will ever be permanent and everlasting. Even giants like Microsoft can and will eventually fall. Just like one day Valve will one day fall to rival competitors or due to making to many mistakes.

So your idol Gabe Newell and his success in the marketplace is fundamentally due to what you mislabel as "Greed". In fact if someone were to use your flawed logic and reasoning abilities they could also call Gabe Newell "Greedy" for not wanting to compete against Windows and its marketplace app or for not "fairly sharing" his market share grasp on online pc game sales via Steam with their rivals.

As for Apple.....

Apple long ago failed to dominate the desktop marketplace because of its strict control of its software and hardware. This strict control was the mistake which lead them from once being a dominate leader in the desktop market to now playing second fiddle to PC's and Windows. Furthermore Microsoft and other hardware and software vendors do not have even remotely the same level of death-grip control on software and hardware on the Windows platform or in the PC hardware market as what can be seen with Apple and its own products.

However just as someone can make bad decisions they can also make good decisions which overcome their initial failures, i.e. Apples movement into the cell phone market, mp3 market, etc.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
Oh god the "Greed" argument. 🙄

What you label as "Greed" others realize can often be ambition. The incentives to support ambition which have pushed the PC industry to the success it has only arrived to it current levels today in our free market society due to the principles of rewarding successful decisions with profits and rewarding failure/bad decisions with firms going out of business.

Thus those who can sate the demand of consumers and provide competitive products flourish and those who cannot go bankrupt or at best languish in obscurity. Yet no one's position in the market-place will ever be permanent and everlasting. Even giants like Microsoft can and will fall eventually and just like one day Valve will one day fall to rival competitor or due to making to many mistakes.

So your idol Gabe Newell and his success in the marketplace is fundamentally due to what you mislabel as "Greed". In fact if someone were to use your flawed logic and reasoning abilities they could also call Gabe Newell "Greedy" for not wanting to compete against Windows and its marketplace app or for not "fairly sharing" his market place grasp on online pc game sales via Steam with their rivals.

As for Apple.....

Apple long ago failed to dominate the desktop marketplace because of its strict control of its software and hardware by Apple.

Microsoft and other hardware and software vendors do not have even remotely the same level of death-grip control on software and hardware on the Windows platform or in the PC hardware market as what can be seen with Apple and its own products.
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People would be more motivated when producing it on there own free will OPEN SOURCCCCCCE FTW!
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
Motivation requires incentive$ otherwise there will be no major push for people to produce it on there own.
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That's why Linux has been around for like ever as Open Source right. If you need money for your inspiration/motivation then you have no soul or drive to be a best version of yourself and produce something beyond yourself. It's called PASSION and that's what makes up the difference between meh and greatness.
 
Gordon Freemen said:
That's why Linux has been around for like ever as Open Source right. If you need money for your inspiration/motivation then you have no soul or drive to be a best version of yourself and produce something beyond yourself. It's called PASSION and that's what makes up the difference between meh and greatness.
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So you're saying Gabe Newell has no soul. Gotcha. 😉

I'm not going to knock the drive and commitment of Linux developers because they work on Linux due to their love of computing in general. Howver you are forgetting that IBM, Microsoft, Commercial Unix in all its varied forms, etc have been around a lot longer then Linux and their collective successes speak volumes as to why your premises and resulting conclusions from the start of this thread have been laughable at best and childishly naive.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
So you're saying Gabe Newell has no soul. Gotcha. :lol

I'm not going to knock the drive and commitment of Linux developers because they work on Linux due to their love of computing in general. Howver you are forgetting that IBM, Microsoft, Commercial Unix in all its varied forms, etc have been around a lot longer then Linux and their successes speaks volumes as to why your premises and resulting conclusions from the start of this thread have been laughable at best.
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God some people just don't get it you don't get it man. Did it take monetary motivation when you were fuckin you GF/Wife/BF etc. I sure hope your were not thinking your unborn kids will bring you money as your motivation to be a man LOL.

Well, that didn't take long. You just got back from a long vacation and already personal attacks and profanity in a tech forum. You must be the slowest learner here.
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Gordon Freemen said:
God some people just don't get it you don't get it man.
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What motivation is there for major gaming developers and publishing companies to move over to Linux again?

Oh wait none.

Just because Steam moves over it's own products doesn't mean that non-Source developers will be lining up to cater to a non-existent marketplace. Obviously you just have no understanding of how supply vs demand works or any understanding of the basic economics of the video game industry.


Did it take monetary motivation when you were fuckin you GF/Wife/BF etc.
I sure hope your were not thinking your unborn kids will bring you money as your motivation to be a man LOL.
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Way to keep it classy and make a meaningless statement that has no barring on the conversation and also fails as a comparison:


Apples - Personal reasons which inspire Linux developers to continue their often unpaid development of Linux.

versus

Oranges - What motivates game companies and other private software/hardware vendors to keep producing goods and services for Windows, i.e. Profits.

Of which this act occurs in a competitive PC industry marketplace that is completely motivated and driven by profits vs losses. Which also includes Valve and Gabe's own attempt to scare Microsoft with a Steam Linux port. A decision which stemmed partially from MS putting into windows 8 a integrated marketplace app which Gabe felt conflicted with his own company's self-interest in regards to them maintaining their own financial dominance on online video game sales via Steam.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
What motivation is there for major gaming developers and publishing companies to move over to Linux again?

Oh wait none.

Just because Steam moves over it's own products doesn't mean that non-Source developers will be lining up to cater to a non-existent marketplace. Obviously you just have no understanding of how supply vs demand works or any understanding of the basic economics of the video game industry.
Sometimes greatness in not tied to money friend is all I am saying. If something is worth supporting it will stay alive and advance one way or another regardless of income generation case in point Linux.
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Sometimes greatness in not tied to money friend is all I am saying. If something is worth supporting it will stay alive and advance one way or another regardless of income generation case in point Linux.
 
Gordon Freemen said:
Sometimes greatness in not tied to money friend is all I am saying. If something is worth supporting it will stay alive and advance one way or another regardless of income generation case in point Linux.
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Now you're just shoveling out meaningless cliched statements to support your flawed conclusions.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
Now you're just shoveling out meaningless cliched statements to support your flawed conclusions.
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What are you on about it's a piece of paper and a number in a computer that people like you have been brainwashed into unwittingly worshiping even more so than "God" itself LOL. Ever here of FIAT currency of course you haven't otherwise you would not be regurgitating frivolous rhetoric and unwitting nonsense about how money motivates the world to turn LOL.
 
I'd like to thank DucatiMonster696 and Gordon_Freemen for providing me with a very entertaining dinner hour.
 
Wait, do people actually think that if a 'native' Steam client for Linux shows up that all the games on Steam will magically be Linux compatible all of a sudden?
 
Linux and Apple have been coming along nicely in the last decade. However, nobody has made any significant progress in getting games onto those platforms. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Even back years ago, when OpenGL was used more frequently, it still didn't happen. There would have to be a ton of work to reverse the trend. Not just Valve.

I have a feeling they will put alot of work into Linux, and in 2-3 years they will abandon the idea for lack of sales. It's hard enough to get games on the PC even with Windows, as "piracy", etc etc etc. If people are whining about Microsoft and having to pay for an OS when Linux is free. Do we really expect people to be buying games on this platform?

More power to Valve. But honestly, I see it being a stupid move.
 
darkewaffle said:
Wait, do people actually think that if a 'native' Steam client for Linux shows up that all the games on Steam will magically be Linux compatible all of a sudden?
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No, but it's one step towards improving the Linux gaming scene.

I don't understand why anyone likes gaming being tied to Windows alone.
 
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