KYRO III probably out in Q1 2002. What are its known specs?

[Mingon]

Even if it never drops below 25fps thats still 25fps below the minimum most people want from a card.

 

[Powervr]

"Com'on, you have more, valid statements then what you are saying here. Even the GeForce 3 guy's back down the resolution when they start seeing 33fps!! If they don't, then they too need their heads examined."

yap you are right I never play at 1600x1200x32 ...
1024x768 and 1280x1024 is more than enough !!!

my monitor refresh rate at these settings can be higher so less headackes...



if it never drops bellow 25 fps it would be fine ...

NTSC (30 fps) (america tv standard)

and PAL (25 fps) (european tv standard)

movies (24 fps)

and there are few people complaning about that...

but the more the better I now...
my point is that kyro 2 can still deliver great performance in all the latest games, even at 1600x1200x32 (ok not for all of us )

 

[Killrose]

Oh, now I understand, because your in Europe and used to the PAL standard of 25fps, you are acustomed to a lower frame rate, there by allowing you to play computer based games at a lower frame rate then we do here in the USA, and not be bothered at all by it.

Silly me, i'm sorry.

 

[Daemon_UK]

Jesus, this is getting pathetic, and STUPID.

Look, with my XP 1800+, and setting RTCW on 1280x1024, everything turned up except geometry which is at low, and using 16-bit textures. It does run pretty smooth!! Remember, this is for single play only!

HOWEVER (before you flame me) Internet play is suck, and when someone comes along with the flame thrower, its more than me thats toast. More like my KYRO card

Anyway,

Geforce 4, is looking like more of the same but faster
ATi will release a faster verison, of the same RADEON 8500.
Kyro 3? what will this be for certain?? Any one?



<< because your in Europe and used to the PAL standard of 25fps >>



No, because powervr is a retarted troll, and has a kyro suck up his ass!

 

[Killrose]

<< No, because powervr is a retarted troll, and has a kyro suck up his ass >>



That would be a KyroII


powevr, you add so much flavor here. But be more realistic. We value some of what you say, but often times we have to wade thru the Kyromaniac of what you say to get to the true answer.

 

[Powervr]

to daemon_uk:

man I put everything on even geometry honestly...
everything max...
and there are no problems with flames ...

do you have a kyro 1 ?
might be your problem or something weird...

for the record I never played in multiplayer mode... (a lausy modem with to much ping/lag)

if your fps drops at multiplayer mode might be some other problem why it shoul be adressed to kyro?

I try to be honest here...if you don't believe in what I say to bad...

I am not offended by you (no one can do that ).
but you are the one that is lowering the quality of your topic...

to killrose:
thanks...I am a proud kyromaniac only for good reasons...


what I try to say here:

1º we don't need much more power (fill rate) that what can deliver geforce 3, why 250 fps if my monitor refresh rate is set to 100 hz? there are reasons for more features not more speed...
only if 8 multitexturing layers (only kyro can support this) start to be the norm, then we need more fill rate


2º kyro 2 is still delivering the goods... yap it doesn't have geforce 3 speed... but it delivers and at 1280x1024x32 you cannot tell the difference from a geforce 3 ... (side by side with the same monitors etc...) at least in wolfeinstein with everyting on...

 

[rogue1979]

Maybe if the Kyro III is just competitive with the Radeon 8500 or Geforce 3 at a lower price, everybody would benefit from a big fat price drop. Even if Geforce and Radeon are much faster by then, the lower models will drop in price, I feel the Kyro II gave all of us a price break on the Geforce GTS.

 

[Powervr]

"Maybe if the Kyro III is just competitive with the Radeon 8500 or Geforce 3 at a lower price, everybody would benefit from a big fat price drop. Even if Geforce and Radeon are much faster by then, the lower models will drop in price, I feel the Kyro II gave all of us a price break on the Geforce GTS. "

even if kyro 3 produces the goods with lower price, there must be also some "brave" people to buy those kyro 3....
if not, nvidia will never drop their's prices

do you want the presence of kyro only because you want cheap geforces?
why not a kyro 3 ???

 

[Daemon_UK]

<< but it delivers and at 1280x1024x32 you cannot tell the difference from a geforce 3 ... (side by side with the same monitors etc...) at least in wolfeinstein with everyting on... >>



Powervr, just what are you smoking??......

..... Can you give me some?? That Sh*t must be good, for you to tell complete rubbish like this!!

 

[XBoxLPU]

Oh well i will be picking up a Radeon 8500 soon and selling my Kyro 2

 

[Daemon_UK]

<< Oh well i will be picking up a Radeon 8500 soon and selling my Kyro 2 >>



Umm, looks like the kyro bandwagon is moving to other platforms, quick powervr, take another puff of whatever you are smoking, and dream up some kyro 3 specs to keep the hangers on..... erm hanging on!

Geeeze, this thread went to crap pretty quickly..

 

[Killrose]

<< even if kyro 3 produces the goods with lower price, there must be also some "brave" people to buy those kyro 3.... >>



I agree, that's why I stuck with Ati for another round. Beleive me, I wish STMicro/Kyro well. It's to all of our benefit if the competition is fast and furious as consumers. I hope that KIII kicks serious butt, has good drivers and a cheap price. Hell, I'll buy one!!

I've owned cards from Matrox, 3dfx, Nvidia and Ati, and Trident. It's time for a Kyro

 

[ChrisADuffy]

"I refuse to buy Kyro! "



<< then buy something else and be happy... >>



Always been happy, never bought Kyro!

 

[Powervr]

1º I do not smoke anything...

2º I don't see the need to buy a new video card when I am playing my games with everything on...
when and if I need more power then it is time to upgrade not now ....

3º I am playing all my games at 1024x768x32 (some at 1280x1024x32) smooth enough to bypass another generation...

4º I have money but I am not crazy to throw it away without any reasons...

5º what I was trying to say is that kyro 2 is the proof of good technology... kyro 3 will be even better.



"Always been happy, never bought Kyro"

I am happy because I bought kyro...
let's all be happy

 

[Crapgame]

Well I dont know and I dont care what it will have, I bought a KyroII and was unhappy now that I unloaded it on someone else Im happy again. I had to package it as a freebie attached to a PSU/Mobo/CPU upgrade but its not in my house anymore.

My prediction for the KyroIII

Same core with a T&L unit, higher clock with a big ugly heatsink and DDR RAM, for the most part it will just be a rehash of the KyroII the rehash of the Kyro.

 

[Powervr]

why didn't you like kyro low performance?

 

[ChrisADuffy]

<< I am happy because I bought kyro... >>





<< let's all be happy >>



Shiny Happy People in the World!

 

[Crapgame]

Honestly it was more about architexture than performance, one of my favorite games has no native T&L so it was actually quit good there. Other upcomming at the time and now loaded on my PC games like FlightSimulator2002 would need a T&L unit even with my 1.4 gig CPU. More on the architexture is the way the KyroII is made it will never play some games correctly like golf games such as Links2002 and the driver set has a very large built in tweaker system to force compatability with some games. An example is search your registry for game titles you've never played like Blairwitch , something Ive never played but yet there it is in my registry. These problems and the lack of updates to include new games with very slow driver updates sent me away from Kyro and back to ATI, nVidia is not an option.

2 months ago a huge Kyro fan here quoted it as having driver updates for XP sceaduled for every 3 weeks. My responce was "LOL" and I was given some guff for finding factual information amusing .......... I just checked the sites, I was right to laugh.

 

[BFG10K]

I want more features, more innovation! Wheres the 3DFX tech that was going to be implemented, do I have to wait until NV30?

I feel quite the opposite; I care little about features, I just want fast performance, espeicially with my existing games. The main reason I got my Ti500 is not for future games but to run my existing games faster and at higher detail levels.

Now stop flaming, and start posting specs!.

I asked you a question; I didn't flame anyone.

tested in 1600x1200x32 with my kyro 2 (I have athlon XP 1700+ with ddr266 and windows XP )
I guess it's the TBR nature of it, and my excellent system...

I'd guess that it was your dellusional idea of what's smooth and playable.

and it's PLAYABLE with KYRO !!!!!I guess it never drops bellow 20 fps or something at these settings...

20 FPS is not playable, nor is it smooth. The bare minimum for playability is 60 FPS average with 120 FPS being the preferred score.

imagine something like 3 times better than kyro 2 ...

I don't have to imagine anything when I have my Ti500 already installed in my system.

wolfeinstein at 1600x1200x32 rocks....sweet allways at more than 25 fps...

25 FPS is a complete and utter slideshow. I'm sorry but until you get a proper grasp of what "smooth" and "playable" is your comments are nothing more than zealotry.

yes...but it never drop bellow 25 fps...

Great, so it starts at a slideshow and never drops below a slideshow.

if it never drops bellow 25 fps it would be fine ...
NTSC (30 fps) (america tv standard)
and PAL (25 fps) (european tv standard)
movies (24 fps)

Which has precisely what to do with 3D games? Hint: nothing.

why 250 fps if my monitor refresh rate is set to 100 hz?

A large number of reasons. It's certainly nowhere near as clear-cut as saying "all you need is your monitor's refresh rate and anything more is wasted". It's nothing like that.

but it delivers and at 1280x1024x32 you cannot tell the difference from a geforce 3 ... (side by side with the same monitors etc...) at least in wolfeinstein with everyting on...

<rolleyes>

In that case you won't notice a difference between your card and the Kyro3, right? After all, both the Kyro3 and the GF3 are three times as fast as your Kyro2, right? So why are you getting so excited about the Kyro3? After all, you won't notice any difference when you get it.

Your trollish dribble is not helping your cause one bit.

 

[vedin]

::looks around frantically:: Dangit! Got sucked into another one! ::Sighs:: I must like punishment. ::Shrugs:: Well, let's see. First off, I would have to say that the Kyro 3 could not be at all a rehash of the Kyro II. It's a totally different series of technology that PowerVR is developing. The difference will be like between the Neon 250 and the Kyro. Hopefully with better drivers than either of them though.
As far as speculation goes though, I'd be willing to bet that the K3 will be clocked closer to 275mhz than 250. If Nvidia's slowest Gf4 can be clocked at 275 on the same micron process, I don't see why ST's couldn't. I think they will throw in the cheapest, by bulk, DDR ram they can on the board, becuase frankly, I don't see it needing to be any faster than what is on the GF2 Ti200s. That ram would be easily three times faster than the K2's, which should be exactly what it needs. Also, PowerVR has no choice but to make it with at least 4 pipelines. It just wouldn't be much faster without two more. I don't see why they couldn't put two TUs per pipe..noone else seems to have a problem doing it. As for T&L, I don't really care. If it's "old" DX7 hardwired T&L, it'll be just fine for making games faster at low resolutions. If it's DX8/8.1, even better. They deffinately need to improve the polly throughput though. Not for any games yet, but it won't be long before "Scene Manager" just won't cut it for speed improvement. Taking all these quite likely, if not better than these, specs into consideration, the K3 should push about 1,100 megapixels per second, and have enough of a polly throughput to keep up. Honestly, at that fillrate alone it would totally whip any GF3 on the market just in raw power. But it wouldn't be the GF3s it would be contending with for long. A few months later the next set of Nvidia cards should come out, and it'll be dancing with them, so we'll see.

 

[merlocka]

C'mon peoples, we need more players in this market. Everyone should be happy about new devices being released. You certainly don't have to buy them, but they increase pressure on the big dogs and if nothing else they make video roundup reviews more interesting.

I'm interested in the outcome of Kyro3 as well as anything that Bitboys may sell. Don't forget the upcoming return of S3 graphics!!!

Ok, so I'm really not anticipating anything from Bitboys and S3, but it would be fun to watch.

 

[EMAN]

I feel quite the opposite; I care little about features, I just want fast performance, espeicially with my existing games. The main reason I got my Ti500 is not for future games but to run my existing games faster and at higher detail levels.

Contradicting yourself again BFG? If you don't care about features why not turn all your features off. Anisotropic Filtering, dang you don't need that. 32bit textures dang your don't need it. Run it in higher detail levels? But why? That's a feature you don't need.

As for kyro 3. Only time will tell. I hope they catchup because I love competition.

 

[nemesismk2]

<< I feel quite the opposite; I care little about features, I just want fast performance, espeicially with my existing games. The main reason I got my Ti500 is not for future games but to run my existing games faster and at higher detail levels.

Contradicting yourself again BFG? If you don't care about features why not turn all your features off. Anisotropic Filtering, dang you don't need that. 32bit textures dang your don't need it. Run it in higher detail levels? But why? That's a feature you don't need.

As for kyro 3. Only time will tell. I hope they catchup because I love competition. >>



BFG always contradicts himself but I'm sure he'll come up with an old anandtech article to backup his claim hehe!

 

[rogue1979]

Powervr, I am letting you drag me into this! First, the Kyro II is a decent card. But when it came out Geforce2 GTS immediately dropped their prices to about the same. The Kyro II is not quite as fast as the Geforce2 GTS, especially in 16-bit color, it cannot compete. And since we are talking budget cards here, 16-bit color is a viable alternative to get high fps. Right now the cheapest Kyro II is about $75 shipped on pricewatch, newegg has a Leadtek Winfast Geforce Pro 32MB with 5ns ram for $79 shipped, and while the Kyro can be argued against the GTS, a Pro overclocked to 450MHz memory is a whole new ball game for the memory bandwidth hungry Geforce2 chipset.

If the price and performance of the Kyro III is right, I will seriously consider one, but I would still have reservations about the Kyro drivers being equal to the quality of Nvidia drivers.

 

[Innoka]

It should have been quite obvious what BFG10K was saying. There is something called "context" of which the quote he relayed was a handy pointer. The point is he does not buy speculating on the future use and support of new features of a card but instead uses the extra speed to improve quality with features he can use in games now. This is quite wise, what is the point of buying a card when it is $400 for new features that only get supported when the card has come down to $100?