Kyoto Target "Impossible"

[Stunt]

Rona Ambrose, the new Environment Minister has come out and told the nation that the kyoto targets set by Jean Chretien and the Liberals (1997) are impossible to meet. I am glad this new conservative government had the balls to come out and say this as Chretien, Martin and the Liberals were so proud of the agreement.

During the last campaign Paul Martin went off bashing Americans for their lack of moral conscience with regards to global warming (as they have pulled out of the agreement). In reality Canada is further behind the US on its commitments to Kyoto; the US's CO2 emissions are up 13% since 1990 levels, Canada's are meanwhile up 24%. [2003 numbers, Canada is firmly in the 30's today]

Thank you Rona for the reality check and getting rid of the Liberal smoke and mirrors. Time to make a made in Canada solution aimed at reducing emissions with a real plan. The Liberals did absolutely nothing in more than a decade to address greenhouse gas emissions.

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[sandorski]

Impossible? I'm guessing she meant to say, "We don't even want to try."

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Impossible? I'm guessing she meant to say, "We don't even want to try."

We'll see what sort of plan the conservatives roll out.
"We don't even want to try." Sounds like the Liberal track record and slogan on Kyoto.

 

[zephyrprime]

Is it any surprise? I think just about every country is going to miss their kyoto targets. The only way to meet them would be to start rationing oil and gas to consumers and nobody has the stomach for that.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Is it any surprise? I think just about every country is going to miss their kyoto targets. The only way to meet them would be to start rationing oil and gas to consumers and nobody has the stomach for that.

Then what was all the fuss over signing it?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: sandorski
Impossible? I'm guessing she meant to say, "We don't even want to try."

We'll see what sort of plan the conservatives roll out.
"We don't even want to try." Sounds like the Liberal track record and slogan on Kyoto.

That certainly is an interesting view, since it was the Liberals pushing to adopt and the Conservatives pushing to not adopt. Who knows, she might be right, but I have a hard time accepting her comments on it since her Party has been opposed to it the whole time.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: sandorski
Impossible? I'm guessing she meant to say, "We don't even want to try."

We'll see what sort of plan the conservatives roll out.
"We don't even want to try." Sounds like the Liberal track record and slogan on Kyoto.

That certainly is an interesting view, since it was the Liberals pushing to adopt and the Conservatives pushing to not adopt. Who knows, she might be right, but I have a hard time accepting her comments on it since her Party has been opposed to it the whole time.

The Conservatives are not against the principles of the agreement...they disagreed on the terms of the agreement as they were literally impossible to reach.

Tell me how the Liberals made any attempts to adopt?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: sandorski
Impossible? I'm guessing she meant to say, "We don't even want to try."

We'll see what sort of plan the conservatives roll out.
"We don't even want to try." Sounds like the Liberal track record and slogan on Kyoto.

That certainly is an interesting view, since it was the Liberals pushing to adopt and the Conservatives pushing to not adopt. Who knows, she might be right, but I have a hard time accepting her comments on it since her Party has been opposed to it the whole time.

The Conservatives are not against the principles of the agreement...they disagreed on the terms of the agreement as they were literally impossible to reach.

Tell me how the Liberals made any attempts to adopt?

They released their program.

 

[Stunt]

What program?

 

[raz3000]

Kyoto only works for countries whose economies are stagnant, and thus their emissions are controlled due to lack of economic demands.

 

[Cruise51]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Rona Ambrose, the new Environment Minister has come out and told the nation that the kyoto targets set by Jean Chretien and the Liberals (1997) are impossible to meet(Not true). I am glad this new conservative government had the balls to come out and say this as Chretien, Martin and the Liberals were so proud of the agreement(True, they hyped it up, but irrelivant).

The goals set were WELL within reach. Chretien simply made no attempt at them. They didn't try because it would have had an impact on the economy. Now, the conservatives won't try either. Not because it's impossible, but because they don't wan't to.

 

[Firebot]

The Kyoto targets cannot be met in a country like Canada where the economy has been booming and demand for energy will keep the increase of pollution going. Efforts can be made to diminish it, but Canada is growing too fast to make the target manageable.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Firebot
The Kyoto targets cannot be met in a country like Canada where the economy has been booming and demand for energy will keep the increase of pollution going. Efforts can be made to diminish it, but Canada is growing too fast to make the target manageable.

Why isn't it being met in France or Germany where the economies are anything but booming?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Impossible? I'm guessing she meant to say, "We don't even want to try."

developing world and its increasing poulation will nullify our efforts. its like bailing water out of the titanic with a freakin bucket the way its going.. we don't want to be racist or oppress the progress of developing nations..so we shall flood. might as well drive our suvs while we're still above sea level. who are kidding u see

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Firebot
The Kyoto targets cannot be met in a country like Canada where the economy has been booming and demand for energy will keep the increase of pollution going. Efforts can be made to diminish it, but Canada is growing too fast to make the target manageable.

Why isn't it being met in France or Germany where the economies are anything but booming?

I don't think anybody is meeting their Kyoto committments. The gist of Kyoto is that most westernized countries have to reduce their pollution output to pre-1990 levels. You just can't do that with an expanding population and a growing economy. More people = more consumption.

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Is it any surprise? I think just about every country is going to miss their kyoto targets. The only way to meet them would be to start rationing oil and gas to consumers and nobody has the stomach for that.

Then what was all the fuss over signing it?

Simple... It's the Right's classic portrayal of the Left: It is better to act concerned and show that you care than it is to acheive actual results. When they signed on to Kyoto, every country with an advanced infrastructure and a modern economy knew that the goals of the treaty were unrealistic... (Hence the reason our senate voted 98-zip against it) But by signing the treaty it showed that they cared.

In short... Kyoto was a hollow gesture wrapped in good intentions.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Impossible? I'm guessing she meant to say, "We don't even want to try."

Of course, the appearance of "trying" at least gives the bogus perception that we care... and perception is everything, right?

I say if the plan sucks, say it sucks, instead of trying to pretend we WANT to to something even though we know it cannot and will not happen.

Well, I got a little free time here at Fort Benning, so I thought I'd drop in... take care all.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Of course, the appearance of "trying" at least gives the bogus perception that we care... and perception is everything, right?

I say if the plan sucks, say it sucks, instead of trying to pretend we WANT to to something even though we know it cannot and will not happen.

Well now, that wouldn't be very politically correct, would it? Can't have that. 😛

Well, I got a little free time here at Fort Benning, so I thought I'd drop in... take care all.

:thumbsup: Air assault?

 

[Forsythe]

Well, i think the phrase "Atleast i'm ****** trying" fits perfectly in this discussion.
But ofcourse, you could just ignore it and move on.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Well, i think the phrase "Atleast i'm ****** trying" fits perfectly in this discussion.
But ofcourse, you could just ignore it and move on.

Canada doesn't appear to be trying. Their emissions are growing faster than the US's emissions, and the US isn't even part of Kyoto!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: sandorski
Impossible? I'm guessing she meant to say, "We don't even want to try."

Of course, the appearance of "trying" at least gives the bogus perception that we care... and perception is everything, right?

I say if the plan sucks, say it sucks, instead of trying to pretend we WANT to to something even though we know it cannot and will not happen.

Well, I got a little free time here at Fort Benning, so I thought I'd drop in... take care all.

Umm, no. It's quite simple really: It won't fix itself. Perhaps Kyoto was too lofty a goal, but the cause is just and the decrease of Greenhouse Emmissions is a necessity. You won't get anywhere by doing nothing.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Well, i think the phrase "Atleast i'm ****** trying" fits perfectly in this discussion.
But ofcourse, you could just ignore it and move on.

Canada doesn't appear to be trying. Their emissions are growing faster than the US's emissions, and the US isn't even part of Kyoto!

Well, not talking about that, i'm saying that you might think it'd be impossible but you won't know untill you try.

 

[Grabo]

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/12/27/afx2415140.html
"The UK and Sweden are the only countries in Europe that look set to meet their commitments to cut greenhouse gas emissions under the Kyoto Protocol, a British study predicted".
Ireland(my current country of residence) doesn't look so good..hmm..fossil-fueled trains anyone? : )
Looks a tad bleak in the EU as well, in other words, but I'm mostly worried about the potential of China and India. Still, as said, we need to try all that we can, even if we know we cannot reach our targets. It's not a 0 1 system.