Kurt Cobain: a life 10 years gone - April 5, 1994

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
um, layne staley died 2 years ago yesterday and nobody seems to give a shti about that? alice in chains was infinitely more talented in every way than nirvana.

Wow, I didn't know it was yesterday R.I.P. Layne Regardless, the difference is that this is the ten year, and the spectacular fashion in which Kurt died. As opposed to fading out quietly and wasting away slowly. That, and the fact that while AIC was better, Nirvana was first. To hit it big anyway.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains. Nuff said That being said, Nirvana is the weakest of the bunch imo. They do get all the credit, though. Rightly so to some extent. *shrugs*

As far as the stuff before grunge being better... There's more good music pre-grunge, but not necessarily better quality music. Post-grunge era is where rock really died. Rock can only exist on Blink 182 and Offspring for so long. Then we got the fvcking nu-metal whiners. *sigh*

Alice in Chains is the greatest grunge band of them all, past, present, and future. Soundgarden was a close second, Nirvana and Pearl Jam were [are] over rated.

 

[tcsenter]

*For those who haven't read any of his bio's*

1. Kobain had a stomach illness/disease that no doctor ever correctly diagnosed and treated.
2. Because of this he turned to heroin as it very much eased the constant pain of his stomach.

lol! Bullsh-t.

You have your chronology wrong, not to mention cause and effect. Try this:

1. Kobain was a druggie purely for recreational and entertainment purposes
2. At some point, he began to have stomach problems (probably bound-up like crazy from the use of opiates)
3. He noticed that his stomach (not to mention every other fiber of his being) felt a lot better when he did heroin
4. So he used heroin for recreation + entertainment + stress relief + treatment for his stomach problems instead of going to the doctor and saying "Hey, my stomach kills me sometimes, I'm serious, it hurts really bad" because it didn't hurt bad - he was higher than a kite all the time.

Nobody "turns to heroin" for any health problem unless they were already familiar with it to begin with.

 

[BigPoppa]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

*For those who haven't read any of his bio's*

1. Kobain had a stomach illness/disease that no doctor ever correctly diagnosed and treated.
2. Because of this he turned to heroin as it very much eased the constant pain of his stomach.

lol! Bullsh-t.

You have your chronology wrong, not to mention cause and effect. Try this:

1. Kobain was a druggie purely for recreational and entertainment purposes
2. At some point, he began to have stomach problems (probably bound-up like crazy from the use of opiates)
3. He noticed that his stomach (not to mention every other fiber of his being) felt a lot better when he did heroin
4. So he used heroin for recreation + entertainment + stress relief + treatment for his stomach problems instead of going to the doctor and saying "Hey, my stomach kills me sometimes, I'm serious, it hurts really bad" because it didn't hurt bad - he was higher than a kite all the time.

Nobody "turns to heroin" for any health problem unless they were already familiar with it to begin with.

BBC article on his heroin addiction
Another article discussing his undiagnosed stomach pains.

Kurt smoked weed and drank alcohol long before doing heroin. I believe Courtney introduced him to it. His stomach felt better while on heroin. You would do the same damn thing in his shoes.
I was wrong about no one figuring out what his stomach pain was: a doctor finally found it was a pinched nerve in his stomach caused by his scoliosis.

 

[Sepen]

Originally posted by: GroundZero

Originally posted by: SaigonK

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The losers is worm food, get over it!

We have a winner! Thank you for pointing out the obvious truth about he losers drug abuse and no talent guitar playing that most people seem to miss...his songs were NOT legends nor were they poetry set to three chords of music...

i knew his dumb ass in real life.
just another junky jackass. no-talent motherfunker.
he should have did us all a favor and killed his skank-ass doped-up whore of an old lady too.

OMG, LOL.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
um, layne staley died 2 years ago yesterday and nobody seems to give a shti about that? alice in chains was infinitely more talented in every way than nirvana.

Wow, I didn't know it was yesterday R.I.P. Layne Regardless, the difference is that this is the ten year, and the spectacular fashion in which Kurt died. As opposed to fading out quietly and wasting away slowly. That, and the fact that while AIC was better, Nirvana was first. To hit it big anyway.

they found layne 2 weeks after he died, they pinned his 'estimated death date' to april 5, 2002

 

[PatboyX]

w00000 death!
w00000 arguing over who is the better dead guy!

 

[dabuddha]

Wow one of the few rare moments where I actually agree with Electric Amish.
The guy was scum. Anyone who thinks he's some kind of hero needs help. Serious help. As a musician, he might have been good (I personally didn't like their music) But he is an idiot.

 

[tcsenter]

Kurt smoked weed and drank alcohol long before doing heroin.

Yeah, druggies generally don't go from baby formula to heroin without a few transitionary things in between.

I believe Courtney introduced him to it. His stomach felt better while on heroin.

Not according to either of your links. Loser and Courtney hit it off especially well because they had something in common - love of heroin (and stupidity).

One entry, written while he was in a drug rehabilitation clinic in 1992, describes how he became addicted to heroin after taking it occasionally for a few years.

Now what did I say above? Oh yeah, "Nobody "turns to heroin" for any health problem unless they were already familiar with it to begin with.

You would do the same damn thing in his shoes.

Well, perhaps if by "in his shoes" you mean being a total loser, than I agree. I'm not, so I don't.

 

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: SaigonK

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The losers is worm food, get over it!

We have a winner! Thank you for pointing out the obvious truth about he losers drug abuse and no talent guitar playing that most people seem to miss...his songs were NOT legends nor were they poetry set to three chords of music...

Hey i liked his music, dumbass yeah but i like his stuff.

 

[Ausm]

You won't get much love on this forum for Kurt Cobain or Nirvana...most of the peeps on this board were not even in puberty when Nirvana was going strong. The have no clue of the impact that Nirvana made on Rock-n-Roll. Nirvana is/was one my all time favorite bands.


Sysadmin

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Sysadmin
You won't get much love on this forum for Kurt Cobain or Nirvana...most of the peeps on this board were not even in puberty when Nirvana was going strong. The have no clue of the impact that Nirvana made on Rock-n-Roll. Nirvana is/was one my all time favorite bands.


Sysadmin

I agree completely with you for once :beer: *oups, typo*

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Sysadmin
You won't get much love on this forum for Kurt Cobain or Nirvana...most of the peeps on this board were not even in puberty when Nirvana was going strong. The have no clue of the impact that Nirvana made on Rock-n-Roll. Nirvana is/was one my all time favorite bands.


Sysadmin

I agree complately with you for once :beer:

i third that.
well...except for the typo.
at the very least, i think a bit of respect is due to what has happened as a result of his influence.

 

[EXman]

well I'd say 4th to that but I think more here our age than you think.

Nirvana Broke August 1991 the Month I went to college they were supposed to play at my University for $4000 after thay broke they wanted $40,000 non the less they did not come. Man All I know is Kurt Killed Hair bands with one wiff of a girls deorderant. Also killed the New Kids! woohoo!:Q:beer:

Man 1991 one of the best years of my life! Where's my unplugged CD?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

I was living in Seattle when it happened. There was a huge crowd just milling around in the street outside his house, they had counselors available at all the schools to talk to the kids, it was strange, but sad.

 

[abracadabra1]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The losers is worm food, get over it!

 

[azazyel]

agree with Sysadmin-

I even remember where I was when I heard the news. Very weird day, everyone was trying to find out what the note he left said.

 

[tcsenter]

You won't get much love on this forum for Kurt Cobain or Nirvana...most of the peeps on this board were not even in puberty when Nirvana was going strong. The have no clue of the impact that Nirvana made on Rock-n-Roll. Nirvana is/was one my all time favorite bands.

Huh?? If anything, you'll find the following generalizations to be much more likely:

- Nirvana's bread and butter fans tended to be much younger than Cobain (not many 25 year olds running around carrying the burdens of "teen angst" to which Nirvana so effectively appealed)
- Nirvana critics tend to be around Cobain's age and older (Cobain was born in 1967)
- AT is well represented by the prime Nirvana age group (12~17 years old at Nirvana's peak)
- Nirvana continued to hold enormous appeal among this age group until Cobain's death in 1994

The reason why many of Nirvana's detractors tend to be Cobain's age or older is that we were listening to the 70s and 80s punk and grunge bands whose music Cobain unceremoniously ripped-off then allowed himself to be credited for without objection, many of whom were from the same Northeast (e.g. Seattle) music scene, which everyone knows was the epicenter of grunge (and punk) years before Nirvana was formed.

And so when Cobain proceeded to criticize other bands in the same genre, as though they were supposed to get permission from Cobain to play grunge, we were able to see Cobain for the junkie fraud that he was. The younger folks couldn't know this because they hadn't heard of grunge before Nirvana, enabling them to believe that Nirvana was some 'innovative' band who 'revolutionized' rock and roll.

Nirvana could be credited for making grunge popular, but 'innovative' or 'revolutionary' they were not.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

You won't get much love on this forum for Kurt Cobain or Nirvana...most of the peeps on this board were not even in puberty when Nirvana was going strong. The have no clue of the impact that Nirvana made on Rock-n-Roll. Nirvana is/was one my all time favorite bands.

Huh?? If anything, you'll find the following generalizations to be much more likely:

- Nirvana's bread and butter fans tended to be much younger than Cobain (not many 25 year olds running around carrying the burdens of "teen angst" to which Nirvana so effectively appealed)
- Nirvana critics tend to be around Cobain's age and older (Cobain was born in 1967)
- AT is well represented by the prime Nirvana age group (12~17 years old at Nirvana's peak)
- Nirvana continued to hold enormous appeal among this age group until Cobain's death in 1994

The reason why many of Nirvana's detractors tend to be Cobain's age or older is that we were listening to the 70s and 80s punk and grunge bands whose music Cobain unceremoniously ripped-off then allowed himself to be credited for without objection, many of whom were from the same Northeast (e.g. Seattle) music scene, which everyone knows was the epicenter of grunge (and punk) years before Nirvana was formed.

And so when Cobain proceeded to criticize other bands in the same genre, as though they were supposed to get permission from Cobain to play grunge, we were able to see Cobain for the junkie fraud that he was. The younger folks couldn't know this because they hadn't heard of grunge before Nirvana, enabling them to believe that Nirvana was some 'innovative' band who 'revolutionized' rock and roll.

Nirvana could be credited for making grunge popular, but 'innovative' or 'revolutionary' they were not.

agreed. they were a cool band, but they werent any more "revolutionary or innovative" than any other band of the past 40-50 yrs. its all been done, and new bands just continue to rehash old sounds. its about a 15 yr cycle coinciding with the puberty and buying power of each new generation.

i remember when cobain died, one of the guys at work was walking around with tears in his eyes all day. we ragged the crap out of his pvssy ass.

 

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