Kryptos

guyver01

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The Story behind ?Kryptos?

Kryptos is the name of a sculpture by American artist James Sanborn located on the grounds of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Langley, Virginia, in the United States. Since its dedication on November 3, 1990, it has been subject of much speculation concerning the meaning of the encrypted message etched on its surface.

The name comes from the Greek word for "hidden", and the theme of the sculpture is "intelligence gathering." The most prominent feature of the sculpture is a large vertical S-shaped copper screen resembling a piece of paper emerging from a computer printer. The "paper" is inscribed with four separate enigmatic messages, each apparently encrypted with a different cipher. The sculpture continues to provide a diversion for employees of the CIA and other cryptanalysts attempting to decrypt the messages.

The message on the sculpture contains 865 characters in total. Sanborn has since revealed that the sculpture contains a riddle within a riddle which will be solvable only after the four encrypted passages have been decrypted. He said that he gave the complete solution at the time of the sculpture's dedication to CIA director William H. Webster, and that the solution has been held in confidence by Webster's successors.

The first person to solve the first three sections was CIA analyst David Stein, who solved them manually in 1998. In 1999, James Gillogly, a computer scientist from southern California, was able to decipher 768 of the characters. The remaining 97 characters are supposedly the same ones which have stumped the CIA's own cryptanalysts.

Kryptos remains unsolved to this day.



 

yllus

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It's hard to solve any system of encryption when you don't have an idea of where to start - some knowledge of what the riddle may contain, or a Rosetta Stone of sorts.

One-time scratchpads are truly unbreakable encryption though they're time-consuming and not often used anymore.
 
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Problem with encryptions is that if there's no base, and nothing to work with, it could mean any number of things, like you said.
 

neutralizer

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: neutralizer
kwejfklwefjkwlefj42905849023fjsdkfjew

decode that!

it says that you suck:p

Whoa. You're better at this decoding thing than I thought, but in all honesty, it actually says, well get ready, here it comes:

"Goosemaster sucks"
 

Goosemaster

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I bet I know the reason why peopel cannot solve it.

It seems to me, from a quick analysis, that the encryption includes certain spacial qualities as well.
 

bluewall21

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
I bet I know the reason why peopel cannot solve it.

It seems to me, from a quick analysis, that the encryption includes certain spacial qualities as well.

By "spacial", do you mean "spatial", or "special"?
 
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If I were the one to carve that, I'd pick random letters/numbers that had nothing to do with anything, leading others to believe there's some sort of encryption.

But we all know, about, 156 years from now someone will get it and it'll read something along the lines of : "Saddam was here."
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: bluewall21
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
I bet I know the reason why peopel cannot solve it.

It seems to me, from a quick analysis, that the encryption includes certain spacial qualities as well.

By "spacial", do you mean "spatial", or "special"?

spatial:eek:

basically, for the artist, it would be a waste NOT to use the form of his art as a part of the encryption
 

EyeMWing

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I think I see something in the 4th section. Hang on a second while I attempt to make short work.
 

EyeMWing

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I believe the remainder of the encoding isn't what's THERE, but what's NOT.

The entire page APPEARS to be made up of a repeating, artfully arranged set of instances of the alphabet and "Kryptos" - but it's not. I believe the actual encoded "message" is a set of 6-7 letters, KOPRST, and possibly E. Once I determine the actual order that they *don't* appear, I'll post it and see if we can't bash out something.

Edit: Y is part of the message set, as well.
 

EyeMWing

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EFGHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ
KOPRSTY
KRKOPRSTYOS
KRYKOPRSTYS
KRYPKOPRSTY
KRYPTKOPRSTYBCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ
KRYPTOKOPRSTYCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ
KOPRSTYDEFGHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ
KOPRSTYEFGHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ
AKOPRSTYFGHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ
ABKOPRSTYGHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ
ABCKOPRSTYHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ
ABCDKOPRSTYIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ

Okay, this is just going to repeat. It seems nonsensical, as it's just an offset pattern. The missing E in the first row, though... That's the only oddity in the whole damn thing. A completely missing space in the upper right corner where an E should be (Followed by an FGHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ)
 

EyeMWing

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If you run the same algorithm I used to get the above partial decoding ON the partial decoding, you get a MUCH more interesting layer. I'll write some java to do it for me tommorrow, doing it manually hurts.