Krishnamurti

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
Discontent is the striving after 'the more', and contentment is the cessation of that struggle; but you cannot come to contentment without understanding the whole process of 'the more', and why the mind demands it.

We are struggling after something, and we have never paused to inquire if the thing we are after is worth struggling for. We have never asked ourselves if it's worth the effort, so we haven't yet discovered that it's not and withstood the opinion of our parents, of society, of all the Masters and gurus. It is only when we have understood the whole significance of 'the more' that we cease to think in terms of failure and success.
 

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
Originally posted by: glenn beck
Arcadio???

Friend, do not concern yourself with who I am; you will never know. I do not want you to accept anything I say. I do not want anything from any of you; I do not desire popularity; I do not want your flattery, your following. Because I am in love with life, I do not want anything. These questions are not of very great importance; what is of importance is the fact that you obey and allow your judgment to be perverted by authority. Your judgment, your mind, your affection, your life are being perverted by things which have no value, and herein lies sorrow.
 

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
Now, what is desire? When I see a tree swaying in the wind, it is a lovely thing to watch, and what is wrong with that? What is wrong in watching the beautiful motion of a bird on the wing? What is wrong in looking at a new car, marvelously built and highly polished? And what is wrong in seeing a nice person with a symmetrical face, a face that shows good sense, intelligence, quality?

But desire does not stop there. Your perception is not just perception, but with it comes sensation. With the arising of sensation, you want to touch, to contact, and then comes the urge to possess. You say, "This is beautiful, I must have it," and so begins the turmoil of desire.

Now, is it possible to see, to observe, to be aware of the beautiful and ugly things of life, and not say, "I must have," or "I must not have"? Have you ever just observed anything? ...If you are capable of so observing, without all the values attributed by the mind, then you will find that desire is not such a monstrous thing.

...Experiment with this and you will see how difficult it is for the mind to observe without chattering about what it observes. But surely, love is of that nature, is it not? How can you love if your mind is never silent, if you are always thinking about yourself? To love a person with your whole being, with your mind, heart, and body requires great intensity; and when love is intense, desire soon disappears. But most of us have never had this intensity about anything, except about our own profit, conscious or unconscious; we never feel for anything without seeking something else out of it. But only the mind that has this intense energy is capable of following the swift movement of truth.
 

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
This guy is a crippled idiot. We should probably burn him @ the stake. :confused:

He is already dead. He died a week after I was born. Coincidence? I think so.
 

Jeeebus

Diamond Member
Aug 29, 2006
9,181
901
126
Originally posted by: Leros
Are you trying to sound smart or you just high?

he's just copying and pasting random quotes from some Indian philosopher that nobody would know if not for google.

Isn't this the type of nonsense that gets people a couple whacks with the ban stick?
 

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
Originally posted by: Jeeebus
Originally posted by: Leros
Are you trying to sound smart or you just high?

he's just copying and pasting random quotes from some Indian philosopher that nobody would know if not for google.

Isn't this the type of nonsense that gets people a couple whacks with the ban stick?

From Krishnamurti... thus the title. Perhaps people would like to get to know him. At any rate, no harm is done.

EDIT: And he is not unknown...
 

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
Originally posted by: thirtythree
Perhaps people would like to get to know him. At any rate, no harm is done.

You assume wrong crippled witch bastard! Be gone! :thumbsdown:

I didn't assume anything. I merely said it was a possibility.
 

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
She said she had always been active in one way or another, either with her children, or in social affairs, or in sports; but behind this activity there was always boredom, pressing and constant. She was bored with the routine of life, with pleasure, pain, flattery, and everything else. Boredom was like a cloud that had hung over her life for as long as she could remember. She had tried to escape from it, but every new interest soon became a further boredom, a deadly weariness. She had read a great deal, and had had the usual turmoils of family life, but through it all there was this weary boredom. It had nothing to do with her health, for she was very well.

...What are you interested in? Is there any deep interest in your life?

"Not especially. If I had a deep interest I would never be bored. I am naturally an enthusiastic person, I assure you, and if I had an interest I wouldn't easily let it go. I have had many intermittent interests, but they have all led in the end to this cloud of boredom."

What do you mean by interest? Why is there this change from interest to boredom? What does interest mean? You are interested in that which pleases you, gratifies you, are you not? Is not interest a process of acquisitiveness? You would not be interested in anything if you did not get something out of it, would you? There is sustained interest as long as you are acquiring; acquisition is interest, is it not? You have tried to gain satisfaction from every thing you have come in contact with; and when you have thoroughly used it, naturally you get bored with it. Every acquisition is a form of boredom, weariness. We want a change of toys; as soon as we lose interest in one, we turn to another, and there is always a new toy to turn to. We turn to something in order to acquire; there is acquisition in pleasure, in knowledge, in fame, in power, in efficiency, in having a family, and so on. When there is nothing further to acquire in one religion, in one savior, we lose interest and turn to another. Some go to sleep in an organization and never wake up, and those who do wake up put them selves to sleep again by joining another. This acquisitive movement is called expansion of thought, progress.

...You wouldn't have come here if you didn't want something. You want to be free of boredom. As I cannot give you that freedom, you will get bored again; but if we can together understand the process of acquisition, of interest, of boredom, then perhaps there will be freedom. Freedom cannot be acquired. If you acquire it, you will soon be bored with it. Does not acquisition dull the mind? Acquisition, positive or negative, is a burden. As soon as you acquire you lose interest. In trying to possess, you are alert, interested; but possession is boredom. You may want to possess more, but the pursuit of more is only a movement towards boredom. You try various forms of acquisition, and as long as there is the effort to acquire, there is interest; but there is always an end to acquisition, and so there is always boredom. Isn't this what has been happening?

"I suppose it is, but I haven't grasped the full significance of it."

That will come presently. Possessions make the mind weary. Acquisition, whether of knowledge, of property, of virtue, makes for insensitivity. The nature of the mind is to acquire, to absorb, is it not? Or rather, the pattern it has created for itself is one of gathering in; and in that very activity the mind is preparing its own weariness, boredom. Interest, curiosity, is the beginning of acquisition, which soon becomes boredom; and the urge to be free from boredom is another form of possession. So the mind goes from boredom to interest to boredom again, till it is utterly weary; and these successive waves of interest and weariness are regarded as existence.

"But how is one to be free from acquiring without further acquisition?"

Only by allowing the truth of the whole process of acquisition to be experienced, and not by trying to be non-acquisitive, detached. To be non-acquisitive is another form of acquisition which soon becomes wearisome. The difficulty, if one may use that word, lies, not in the verbal understanding of what has been said, but in experiencing the false as the false. To see the truth in the false is the beginning of wisdom. The difficulty is for the mind to be still; for the mind is always worried, it is always after something, acquiring or denying, searching and finding. The mind is never still, it is in continuous movement. The past, overshadowing the present, makes its own future. It is a movement in time, and there is hardly ever an interval between thoughts. One thought follows another without a pause; the mind is ever making itself sharp and so wearing itself out. If a pencil is being sharpened all the time, soon there will be nothing left of it; similarly, the mind uses itself constantly and is exhausted. The mind is always afraid of coming to an end. But, living is ending from day to day; it is the dying to all acquisition, to memories, to experiences, to the past. How can there be living if there is experience?

Experience is knowledge, memory; and is memory the state of experiencing? In the state of experiencing, is there memory as the experiencer? The purgation of the mind is creation. Beauty is in experiencing, not in experience; for experience is ever of the past, and the past is not the experiencing, it is not the living. The purgation of the mind is tranquility of heart.
 

TheInternet1980

Golden Member
Jan 9, 2006
1,651
1
76
I wish you would go back to not typing the letter h. That was less annoying than this bullshit.

Cliffs:
We hate you.
 

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
I wish you would go back to not typing the letter h. That was less annoying than this bullshit.

Cliffs:
We hate you.

You have me confused with someone else. And I doubt I'm hated by "we", if you mean ATOT. Maybe a select few, but I can see no reason for that.
 

TheInternet1980

Golden Member
Jan 9, 2006
1,651
1
76
If you were within 10 minutes of me, I would drive to wherever you are, so I could urinate all over your crippled ass.
 

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
If you were within 10 minutes of me, I would drive to wherever you are, so I could urinate all over your crippled ass.

You should really be banned for your hateful comments. However, I am not crippled. I simply picked this avatar because it isn't common. (Or maybe there was another reason, but I don't remember.)

EDIT: If you have any further insults, let's move it to PMs, so we don't have to pollute this thread.