Kramer makes racial comments shame on him

[Deeko]

Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

You're stepping into dangerous territory...

 

[TravisT]

It is stereotypical. Why can black people make a stereotypical, possibly even degrading, comment about white people and not have itl ooked down upon? Granted, i'm not all that offended, but i'm sure if I were to go on TV and say that Obama from Illinois obviously has bred into a white family because he can actually speak sensible english without using ebonics and keeps his pants above his anus then the black community would be furious... no?

 

[Deeko]

What's dangerous? That I pointed out that it is a statistical fact that the majority of 'skill players' in the NFL are black? It is. The fact that most black QBs are known as 'running' QBs that are very aggressive in their passes? they are. The fact that Romo is very mobile, and very aggressive in his passing? he is.

What is dangerous or racist about any of that? And Irvin noticed, and pointed out 'hey, he's got some black blood in him, and has some traits in common with black qbs'. I hardly see how this qualifies as being racist.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

sure... just like Jimmy the Greek's comments on genetics made sense, but he got his ass fired for them.

 

[Eug]

Well, I must admit I didn't even know who Michael Irvin was until today.

BTW, Kanye West went on national TV and made stupid racial remarks, and now everyone thinks he's a moron for saying that. Mind you many thought he was a moron beforehand too, so...

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

Drew Brees, Plummer, Elway, Steve Young, nice stereotypes.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: yllus
Is that really anywhere near the same level of comment? I don't think so.

That is almost verbatim what Jimmy "The Greek" Synder said when commenting about a ballplayer and that pretty much ended his career as a CBS commentator.

But Michael Irvin is black so he's allowed to say things like that.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

Drew Brees, Plummer, Elway, Steve Young, nice stereotypes.

MI didn't mention anything about a relationship between style and race. The only things I have to say is that as much of a tool as he is now, the only QB with an undefeated season is Dan Marino. Neither black or extremely mobile.

The sprinkles to that icing is Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and two Heismann winning QBs Carson Palmer and Matt Leinert (while not doing so hot this season, are still pretty damn good quarterbacks).


Iriving is just a freaking jackass. He's not a good commentator, and he's not good with words. The only thing he has going for him is that he's got the bankroll to dress stylishly.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

Drew Brees, Plummer, Elway, Steve Young, nice stereotypes.

...and as much of a tool as he is now, the only QB with an undefeated season Dan Marino.

The sprinkles to that icing is Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and two Heismann winning QBs Carson Palmer and Matt Leinert (while not doing so hot this season, are still pretty damn good quarterbacks).


Iriving is just a freaking jackass. He's not a good commentator, and he's not good with words. The only thing he has going for him is that he's got the bankroll to dress stylishly.

What in the hell are you talking about? Dan Marino, "only QB with an undefeated season"?

 

[RagingBITCH]

How is what he said "racist"?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

Drew Brees, Plummer, Elway, Steve Young, nice stereotypes.

What are you talking about? Are you saying they are white, and mobile?

That's cool, I didn't say there weren't any white, mobile QBs, but thanks for trying.

 

[JasonCoder]

When Limbaugh made his comments they were immediately inflated into some ridiculous mountain of racism. You had Tom Jackson nearly crying on the set the week after. I don't think Irvin's comments were all that bad, but let's see what Disney thinks and see if it gets warped like Limbaugh's comments.

Personally IMO I don't think you can compare Irvin's moronic comments with Richard's. Richard's had a total meltdown. Irvin a complete tard, yes, racial undertones in that dumbasses comments, yea, but not as scary.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
How is what he said "racist"?

He's saying the only reason Romo is succeessful is because he's part black. Now imagine Steve Young saying that about about a black QB like McNabb and see how long he would last.

 

[buck]

...and as much of a tool as he is now, the only QB with an undefeated season Dan Marino.

Get your facts straight please.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

Drew Brees, Plummer, Elway, Steve Young, nice stereotypes.

What are you talking about? Are you saying they are white, and mobile?

That's cool, I didn't say there weren't any white, mobile QBs, but thanks for trying.

You were imparting stereotypes (onto black QB's) so I showed you how ridiculous your stereotypes are (by listing well known white mobile gunslinging QB's). Some names: Warren Moon (ret), McNair, Culpepper, Leftwich, McNabb, and Charlie Batch are not known for mobility even if they were for a short time in the past. The only black QB's who could really scramble throughout their whole careers were/are Cunningham, Vick, Stewart, and now VY (feel free to add any that I missed). And btw "gunslinging" can apply to so many white QB's I don't even know where to begin.

 

[Syringer]

There's no denying it. The fastest, most athletic players are black. It's no coincedence that the positions that require the most athleticism, rather than a skill or attribute..say throwing a ball or being a good leader have almost no white players playing it.

How many white receivers, running backs, cornerbacks, safeties, etc., do you see? In the past decade there have essentially been two guys that stood out, Ed McCaffrey and Jason Sehorn. The positions that depend more on size and strength and not so much speed/quickness, such as linemen and tightends are much more mixed.

I won't even mention how olympic sprinters, boxers, basketball players, etc., lean toward a dominant race. There have even been studies that show blacks in general have more fast twitch type-II muscle fibers than whites do.

So sure he probably didn't say the smartest thing, but they're based much more on reality than what Richards say, which had absolutely no basis to it at all.

 

[vi edit]

Irvin's always been a bit of a cynic against white players. But it's not a really a hateful thing. It's just what he is. He's a flash and dazzle run your mouth sort of player/person. In all of his pre-game picks he never talks up Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or any of the more pedestrian players. He goes with his "dawgs" like Steve Smith and TO who bring more glamour and action to the game.

Just taking it out of context it's hard to call that racist. If I were to actually her it "live" I would probably think even less so and would actually chuckle at it.

It's along the lines of "White Men Can't Jump". A funny little jab at the truth. Romo has a swagger to him and plays with a lot more energy than most other QB's. Irving respects that.

 

[beyoku]

Chris Rock- Super Slave Quote.

For instance, during slavery, they used to take
the biggest, strongest slaves and breed them
and try their best to make
big, strong super-slaves, OK?
That's right. And there's evidence of that today.
Like the NFL, for instance.
NFL stands for Nigg* F*ing Large.
They bred the slaves, and this is why black
people dominate every physical activity
in the United States of America.
We're only 10% of the population,
we're 90% of the Final Four, OK?
We f*ckng dominate all this sH*, OK?
Basketball, baseball, football,
boxing, track, even golf and tennis.
As soon as they make a heated hockey rink,
we gonna take that shyt too.
MotherFkin Wayne Gretzky.
Wait till you see Lebron on some skates.
You ain't seen shyt yet.
He just gonna have one skate, chilling,
"What's up?"
He ain't gonna have a stick.
He gonna smack the puck with his d*ck.
Slapshot bi-atch!
So that's what they did
to the big, strong slaves.
And you know what they did
to the smart ones?
Or at least the ones they thought were smart.
They killed them. That's what they did.
That's right. That was the policy
of the United States Government,
to kill smart black people. That's right.
So the real smart motherf*kers
had to hide the fact that they were smart.
The law of the land was, if you read, you die.

 

[Baked]

Because Kramer was not joking at all. God I hate everybody on that seinfeld show.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Syringer
There's no denying it. The fastest, most athletic players are black. It's no coincedence that the positions that require the most athleticism, rather than a skill or attribute..say throwing a ball or being a good leader have almost no white players playing it.

How many white receivers, running backs, cornerbacks, safeties, etc., do you see? In the past decade there have essentially been two guys that stood out, Ed McCaffrey and Jason Sehorn. The positions that depend more on size and strength and not so much speed/quickness, such as linemen and tightends are much more mixed.

I won't even mention how olympic sprinters, boxers, basketball players, etc., lean toward a dominant race. There have even been studies that show blacks in general have more fast twitch type-II muscle fibers than whites do.

So sure he probably didn't say the smartest thing, but they're based much more on reality than what Richards say, which had absolutely no basis to it at all.

Yes, I overall agree with this. It's been proven that blacks have straighter legbones (femur IIRC) and whites are more curved, which give blacks a genetic advantage. I've also read studies that suggest blacks' have higher testosterone levels which equates into more muscle, faster recovery, etc... And I agree, I don't think you can generalize when it comes to certain positions like QB.

This is all a moot point anyhow, because in the future gene and tissue doping will equalize all races just as steroids do today. Hell they will have cybernetic implants if you want...

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Syringer
There's no denying it. The fastest, most athletic players are black. It's no coincedence that the positions that require the most athleticism, rather than a skill or attribute..say throwing a ball or being a good leader have almost no white players playing it.

How many white receivers, running backs, cornerbacks, safeties, etc., do you see? In the past decade there have essentially been two guys that stood out, Ed McCaffrey and Jason Sehorn. The positions that depend more on size and strength and not so much speed/quickness, such as linemen and tightends are much more mixed.

I won't even mention how olympic sprinters, boxers, basketball players, etc., lean toward a dominant race. There have even been studies that show blacks in general have more fast twitch type-II muscle fibers than whites do.

So sure he probably didn't say the smartest thing, but they're based much more on reality than what Richards say, which had absolutely no basis to it at all.

Yes, I overall agree with this. It's been proven that blacks have straighter legbones (femur IIRC) and whites are more curved, which give blacks a genetic advantage. I've also read studies that suggest blacks' have higher testosterone levels which equates into more muscle, faster recovery, etc... And I agree, I don't think you can generalize when it comes to certain positions like QB.

This is all a moot point anyhow, because in the future gene and tissue doping will equalize all races just as steroids do today. Hell they will have cybernetic implants if you want...

Being a QB isn't all about being fast or quick, it's about making the right decisions, being a good leader, and having the ability to think fast under pressure..most of which are much less gene-oriented (though one can argue otherwise) than athletic abilities are.

Even then, as has been stated here, generally the white qbs are pocket passers who don't scramble much, whereas blacks tend to be more mobile, running ones. And even then, the white guys that did run, like Elway/Young were not the fastest guys in the league, they just felt it was important to add this element to their game, and mainly they were just guys who were not afraid to get hit..which is evident by Young's various concussions throughout his career.

Being a scrambling qb is not always about speed, as it is with a RB who is expected to run and find holes, or a WR who is supposed to use his breakaway speed to create separation and get open, but being gutsy and smart about when to run..

 

[leeland]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

So saying Romo's grandma ma got the one eyed trouser snake from a african american slave is right on the button...I guess I can see your logic...let me see if I can get my head up my ass far enough...hang on

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

Drew Brees, Plummer, Elway, Steve Young, nice stereotypes.

What are you talking about? Are you saying they are white, and mobile?

That's cool, I didn't say there weren't any white, mobile QBs, but thanks for trying.

You were imparting stereotypes (onto black QB's) so I showed you how ridiculous your stereotypes are (by listing well known white mobile gunslinging QB's). Some names: Warren Moon (ret), McNair, Culpepper, Leftwich, McNabb, and Charlie Batch are not known for mobility even if they were for a short time in the past. The only black QB's who could really scramble throughout their whole careers were/are Cunningham, Vick, Stewart, and now VY (feel free to add any that I missed). And btw "gunslinging" can apply to so many white QB's I don't even know where to begin.

Even in trying to prove me wrong, you prove yourself wrong.

I didn't say RUNNING QB. I said MOBILE QB. McNabb, Culpepper, and McNair are all very mobile, even if they aren't RUNNERS. As for the 'gunslinger' comment - well, lets take your boy McNabb. What is he good at? Throwing the 50 yard bomb. What is he terrible at? Throwing a 5 yard pass.

I didn't say every black QB is mobile, or that no white QBs arent. Yes, its a stereotype, but here's a piece of logic for you - stereotypes exist for a reason.

Its really quite simple, I realize you are biased against me (btw the Eagles are great this year), but I simply applied the fact that Romo does have traits of the stereotypical black quarterback, thus Irvin's statements weren't completely off the mark.

End of story.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko
Have you looked at the NFL lately?

Yep, the vast majority of the talented players are black.

Also, if you look at black QBs, they are known for A) mobility and B) being 'gunslinger-style' quarterbacks. Romo posseses both of these traits, so wouldn't Irvin's comments make sense?

Drew Brees, Plummer, Elway, Steve Young, nice stereotypes.

What are you talking about? Are you saying they are white, and mobile?

That's cool, I didn't say there weren't any white, mobile QBs, but thanks for trying.

You were imparting stereotypes (onto black QB's) so I showed you how ridiculous your stereotypes are (by listing well known white mobile gunslinging QB's). Some names: Warren Moon (ret), McNair, Culpepper, Leftwich, McNabb, and Charlie Batch are not known for mobility even if they were for a short time in the past. The only black QB's who could really scramble throughout their whole careers were/are Cunningham, Vick, Stewart, and now VY (feel free to add any that I missed). And btw "gunslinging" can apply to so many white QB's I don't even know where to begin.

Even in trying to prove me wrong, you prove yourself wrong.

I didn't say RUNNING QB. I said MOBILE QB. McNabb, Culpepper, and McNair are all very mobile, even if they aren't RUNNERS. As for the 'gunslinger' comment - well, lets take your boy McNabb. What is he good at? Throwing the 50 yard bomb. What is he terrible at? Throwing a 5 yard pass.

I didn't say every black QB is mobile, or that no white QBs arent. Yes, its a stereotype, but here's a piece of logic for you - stereotypes exist for a reason.

Its really quite simple, I realize you are biased against me (btw the Eagles are great this year), but I simply applied the fact that Romo does have traits of the stereotypical black quarterback, thus Irvin's statements weren't completely off the mark.

End of story.

You made up the word running. McNabb, Culpepper and McNair, I don't think mobility when you say those names. Your gunslinging comment applies to anyone, black or white. In fact, there are way more white QB gunslingers than black.

Well at least you finally admitted your post was "stereotypical". That's cool with me.

You're right, the Eagles were doing great when they had McNabb, just ask your buddies Parcells and TO. I have some pics of TO whining like an infant after that game.