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If you flipped teams on Kobe and Lebron, which team would do better? Kobe with the Cavs or Lebron with the Lakers?
QueBert
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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Riiiiiiight
Well his 52pt triple double did help that argument.
Yep. Lebron is a better all around player, IMO, but Kobe is the better scorer.
Kobe is not a better scorer, he's a ball hog. Kobe might hit 61 points or whatever but he won't hit triple doubles because he doesn't like to pass. I would gather if you took all the top scorers and had them play like Kobe did a few would put up numbers like him.
But Kobe's all about Kobe, Magic wouldn't have ever scored 61, but he would have made 30 assists and helped his team win while helping 3 of his team mates hit 20+ points each. That's much more impressive than this ball hog'ish feat by Kobe.
Kobe is a ball hog, a cry baby when they go on a losing streak. And a snitch for putting Shaqs business out there when the heat was on him. FUCK KOBE.
lakers have won every game when he's had to put up 60+. his fg% is phenomenal in those games. in that 81 pt game, the lakers were down by double digits at the half. you don't know what you're talking about.
And in every one of those games if he had passed the ball more they still could have won. Of course if you shoot as well as Kobe and hog the ball you're going to hit 60+ points. Magic could have hit 60+ many times, but he chose to make his TEAM look good and help the other players score. now if Kobe hit 60 points and still had 10 assists I would be impressed. If Kobe hadn't hit 81 I'm SURE other Lakers could have made up or it. For every one of those shots Kobe took it denied another Laker a chance to score. No shock seeing how Kobe isn't a team player and doesn't want anyone else besides him to look good.
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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Riiiiiiight
Well his 52pt triple double did help that argument.
Yep. Lebron is a better all around player, IMO, but Kobe is the better scorer.
Kobe is not a better scorer, he's a ball hog. Kobe might hit 61 points or whatever but he won't hit triple doubles because he doesn't like to pass. I would gather if you took all the top scorers and had them play like Kobe did a few would put up numbers like him.
But Kobe's all about Kobe, Magic wouldn't have ever scored 61, but he would have made 30 assists and helped his team win while helping 3 of his team mates hit 20+ points each. That's much more impressive than this ball hog'ish feat by Kobe.
Kobe is a ball hog, a cry baby when they go on a losing streak. And a snitch for putting Shaqs business out there when the heat was on him. FUCK KOBE.
lakers have won every game when he's had to put up 60+. his fg% is phenomenal in those games. in that 81 pt game, the lakers were down by double digits at the half. you don't know what you're talking about.
And in every one of those games if he had passed the ball more they still could have won. Of course if you shoot as well as Kobe and hog the ball you're going to hit 60+ points. Magic could have hit 60+ many times, but he chose to make his TEAM look good and help the other players score. now if Kobe hit 60 points and still had 10 assists I would be impressed. If Kobe hadn't hit 81 I'm SURE other Lakers could have made up or it. For every one of those shots Kobe took it denied another Laker a chance to score. No shock seeing how Kobe isn't a team player and doesn't want anyone else besides him to look good.
This isn't gym class. Who cares if the other players get involved. As long as the team wins, who cares what the shot or point distribution is? If a player can drop 81pts and still get the win, more power to him.
Ballhogs are what kids call each other when they don't feel involved and aren't having fun. This is professional sports and entertainment. Truly gifted offensive players OUGHT to be taking and scoring shitloads of points.
if anyone is bored, here's an analysis on kobe's high volume shooting
http://www.littlewhitestatistics.com/?p=17
here's a snippet:
The Lakers are not better off when Kobe doesn?t shoot as much, despite him averaging fewer shots in wins than losses. Instead, The Lakers depend on Kobe to lift them over their opponents in competitive games. Therefore, Kobe?s shot attempts increase in competitive games compared to non-competitive games. Naturally, the Lakers also are more likely to lose competitive games than non-competitive games.
The proof for this can be observed in a variety of ways. First of all, in most of the games where Kobe?s shot attempts are elevated, the Lakers are challenged at some point; on the other hand, in most of the games where his attempts are not elevated, the Lakers are never challenged.
What?s more, the actual increase in his shot attempts is observed typically in the second half, and typically sparks either a Lakers comeback (if the opponent leads) or a Lakers run to seal a win (if the game was close). Because these increases are typically observed in the second half, it is completely unreasonable to say that the increased attempts caused the Lakers? misfortunes in the first place.
In short, the Lakers are more likely to lose competitive games, and Kobe shoots more in competitive games to try to prevent that. The competitiveness of the game causes both the Lakers? lower winning percentage and Kobe?s increased shot count. Kobe?s shot count does not cause the Lakers? lower winning percentage in those games.
http://www.littlewhitestatistics.com/?p=17
here's a snippet:
The Lakers are not better off when Kobe doesn?t shoot as much, despite him averaging fewer shots in wins than losses. Instead, The Lakers depend on Kobe to lift them over their opponents in competitive games. Therefore, Kobe?s shot attempts increase in competitive games compared to non-competitive games. Naturally, the Lakers also are more likely to lose competitive games than non-competitive games.
The proof for this can be observed in a variety of ways. First of all, in most of the games where Kobe?s shot attempts are elevated, the Lakers are challenged at some point; on the other hand, in most of the games where his attempts are not elevated, the Lakers are never challenged.
What?s more, the actual increase in his shot attempts is observed typically in the second half, and typically sparks either a Lakers comeback (if the opponent leads) or a Lakers run to seal a win (if the game was close). Because these increases are typically observed in the second half, it is completely unreasonable to say that the increased attempts caused the Lakers? misfortunes in the first place.
In short, the Lakers are more likely to lose competitive games, and Kobe shoots more in competitive games to try to prevent that. The competitiveness of the game causes both the Lakers? lower winning percentage and Kobe?s increased shot count. Kobe?s shot count does not cause the Lakers? lower winning percentage in those games.
Hey, howd they do tonight? :laugh:
Lakers V Boston in Finals, this time with Laker's home court. Lakers in 6.
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Capt Caveman
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He actually got fouled by Fisher beforehand when receiving the ball from Perkins. This clip doesn't show that. It would have sent Allen to the line for two.
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Riiiiiiight
Well his 52pt triple double did help that argument.
Yep. Lebron is a better all around player, IMO, but Kobe is the better scorer.
Kobe is not a better scorer, he's a ball hog. Kobe might hit 61 points or whatever but he won't hit triple doubles because he doesn't like to pass. I would gather if you took all the top scorers and had them play like Kobe did a few would put up numbers like him.
But Kobe's all about Kobe, Magic wouldn't have ever scored 61, but he would have made 30 assists and helped his team win while helping 3 of his team mates hit 20+ points each. That's much more impressive than this ball hog'ish feat by Kobe.
Kobe is a ball hog, a cry baby when they go on a losing streak. And a snitch for putting Shaqs business out there when the heat was on him. FUCK KOBE.
lakers have won every game when he's had to put up 60+. his fg% is phenomenal in those games. in that 81 pt game, the lakers were down by double digits at the half. you don't know what you're talking about.
And in every one of those games if he had passed the ball more they still could have won. Of course if you shoot as well as Kobe and hog the ball you're going to hit 60+ points. Magic could have hit 60+ many times, but he chose to make his TEAM look good and help the other players score. now if Kobe hit 60 points and still had 10 assists I would be impressed. If Kobe hadn't hit 81 I'm SURE other Lakers could have made up or it. For every one of those shots Kobe took it denied another Laker a chance to score. No shock seeing how Kobe isn't a team player and doesn't want anyone else besides him to look good.
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