Kobe VS MJ, I couldn't agree more.

[jimikim]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: amoeba
its too bad that Iverson is only 6-2. If Iverson was 6-5 or 6-6, he would be absolutely unstoppable.

if iverson were 6-5 or 6-6 he would obviously not be as quick.

we don't know how much better he would have been.

as it is, he is pretty good.

He would be a 35% shooting version of Kobe.

 

[Weeeman]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Weeeman

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: slycat
Kobe Bryant is a little more gifted athletically than Michael Jordan was.

Beware: retard writer at work.

how is that retarded? even comparing Bryant in his prime to Jordan in his prime. Bryant is just as fast and a bit taller. In his more athletic days, Jordan's outside shot wasn't that developed either. It wasn't until age slowed him down that he moved almost exclusively to movement without the ball, catch and shoot or post up fadeaway.

Its been said before. Jordan is one of the best if not the best without the ball. Kobe is one of the best if not the best with the ball.

yup- there are plenty of players more athletic than Jordan- Kobe being one of them. But as Vince Carter proves, you can be the most athletic player in the league and still amount to nothing.

Owned 😀

/agree

How is that owned? I never said Kobe was the better player. I just said that the statement " kobe is a bit more gifted athletically" isn't retarded, which you guys have also agreed with.

i think the owned was aimed at the first poster here not you amoeba. 😉

I meant that to be towards the carter comment

 

[jimikim]

did i mention kobe is a biotch?

 

[amoeba]

I never thought Carter was that good. He was pretty quick off the dribble but certain defensive players still gave him trouble. Didn't have that good a shot. The only thing was that he had airtime like no others.

 

[95SS]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: 95SS

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
one thing is for sure. Kobe is the most talked about BBall player since MJ.

Shaq, TMac, Iverson, Vince Carter all have their days, but Kobe seems to get the most attention.

If he just played ball, he wouldn't. The offcourt incidents add to the media frenzy surrounding him. Most NBA players get attention based on their game, his game gets attention because of the baggage.

mb, it seemed to me, he got more press than anyone else before the "rape" thing.

most of it was about his game back then.

Perhaps, but there was always Shaq, then there was Phil, then came the drama. His individual game does deserve accolades, but it seems to me that a lot of the press he's gotten was based on other factors.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: amoeba
damn, must have miscounted.

Still I think its very possible for him to develop a better shot.

Doesn't mean anything though.

I don't even know if Kobe needs to improve it. Through their first 5-6 years as a pro, Kobe has basically had a better jumpshot than Jordan. He's definitely got more range.

Jordan became extremely difficult to guard when he developed the 15-19 foot jumper *and* had a team around him, a team that was capable of hitting wide open shots and that Jordan specifically looked to for those shots. That all seemed to start falling into place at about the same time.

Kobe has the individual package, but the way he relates with a team both on and off the court seems lacking in comparison to Jordan.

 

[amoeba]

I haven't watched that many games with Lebron, does he live up to the hype?

 

[Weeeman]

Originally posted by: amoeba
I haven't watched that many games with Lebron, does he live up to the hype?

He is pretty amazing from what I've seen.

And to think he is what.. 19-20?

 

[PoPPeR]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Lebron > Kobe

Lebron > *

That kid is so good in every aspect of the game, it's scary.

except last night. Man he really fvcked up my shooting percentage in fantasy bball. He went like 4-25 or something.

 

[PoPPeR]

Originally posted by: amoeba
I haven't watched that many games with Lebron, does he live up to the hype?

that and more. It's scary to think how good this kid can be. It's not out of his ability to average a triple double over a full season.

 

[95SS]

Originally posted by: amoeba
I haven't watched that many games with Lebron, does he live up to the hype?

Lebron is years ahead of where most any NBA players was at 19. We're seeing something special right now. A young player that knows the team game, but has the individual skills to take over a game. When he develops a consistant jumper, it will be scary.

 

[iamme]

Kobe and Lebron are putting up crazy numbers this season, so far. the big difference being Lebron is shooting a better FG%:

Kobe: 27pts, 7.5reb, 7asts, 40% FG

Lebron: 24.5pts, 7reb, 7asts, 49% FG

 

[amoeba]

Does he have anybody around him on his team?

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: PoPPeR

Originally posted by: amoeba
I haven't watched that many games with Lebron, does he live up to the hype?

that and more. It's scary to think how good this kid can be. It's not out of his ability to average a triple double over a full season.

i'd put money on the fact that Lebron will never average a triple double in his career.

he's at 24, 7, 7 right now. the cavs need for him to score well over 20pts to win, but the only way he's getting 10 rebounds and 10 assists per game is if he sacrifices his scoring.

remember, there's only been 1 person in NBA history to average a triple double the entire season.

 

[95SS]

Originally posted by: amoeba
Does he have anybody around him on his team?

A healthy Ilgauskas, a surprising Gooden and a consistant McInnis. Decent bench, and a good coach.

 

[amoeba]

what I can't figure out for the life of me is why Houston is sucking.....

I wish Tomjanovich stayed in Houston.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: iamme
Kobe and Lebron are putting up crazy numbers this season, so far. the big difference being Lebron is shooting a better FG%:

Kobe: 27pts, 7.5reb, 7asts, 40% FG

Lebron: 24.5pts, 7reb, 7asts, 49% FG

wtf. those fg % are freaking nasty

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: iamme
Kobe and Lebron are putting up crazy numbers this season, so far. the big difference being Lebron is shooting a better FG%:

Kobe: 27pts, 7.5reb, 7asts, 40% FG

Lebron: 24.5pts, 7reb, 7asts, 49% FG

wtf. those fg % are freaking nasty

the good nasty right?

 

[95SS]

Originally posted by: amoeba
what I can't figure out for the life of me is why Houston is sucking.....

I wish Tomjanovich stayed in Houston.

You have to have a PG to win. Ward and Lue just don't cut it. Trading Francis was just plain stupid.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: amoeba
Does he have anybody around him on his team?

he's got Illgauskas and Gooden in the front court and McInnis at PG. that's a good core. they are atop the central division, but the have only beaten a few good teams. detroit, phoenix being the only above average teams they've beaten. it's worth mentioning that both of those teams beat the Cavs the second time around, and both teams learned from their mistake by holding Lebron to 11 and 15 points, the next time around. contain Lebron and you beat the Cavs.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: 95SS

Originally posted by: amoeba
what I can't figure out for the life of me is why Houston is sucking.....

I wish Tomjanovich stayed in Houston.

You have to have a PG to win. Ward and Lue just don't cut it. Trading Francis was just plain stupid.

I don't know, I always thought Francis was a shooting guard disguised as a point guard. I mean all those championships that the bulls won, or even the lakers, they didn't have a really good PG.

BJ Armstrong? Derek Fischer was pretty good but not great.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: iamme
Kobe and Lebron are putting up crazy numbers this season, so far. the big difference being Lebron is shooting a better FG%:

Kobe: 27pts, 7.5reb, 7asts, 40% FG

Lebron: 24.5pts, 7reb, 7asts, 49% FG

wtf. those fg % are freaking nasty

the good nasty right?

well, Lebron shooting 49% for a guard is pretty damn good. Kobe shooting 40% isn't that great.

 

[amoeba]

right I was pointing towards the 49%. thats pretty damn good for a guard. 40% is about average for a guard.

 

[95SS]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: 95SS

Originally posted by: amoeba
what I can't figure out for the life of me is why Houston is sucking.....

I wish Tomjanovich stayed in Houston.

You have to have a PG to win. Ward and Lue just don't cut it. Trading Francis was just plain stupid.

I don't know, I always thought Francis was a shooting guard disguised as a point guard. I mean all those championships that the bulls won, or even the lakers, they didn't have a really good PG.

BJ Armstrong? Derek Fischer was pretty good but not great.

Pippen was basically the playmaker for the Bulls, getting the ball to MJ in the right place. As for the Lakers, they had Shaq, and everyone on the team EXCEPT Kobe knew how and where to get him the ball.

 

[amoeba]

well right, Rockets have Yao, maybe not as dominant but part of the problem was that Francis wasn't getting the ball to Yao.

I don't know, I think its just because its a new group of guys and they haven't meshed yet. Also, they might not fit with Van Gundy's style.