Kobe has improved EVERY season so far. If he gets better NEXT year, will people concede that he is good?

[Storm]

I do think Kobe is good but it remains to seen what happens over his career. When you try to compare him to MJ its hard for the following reasons:

1.) The game is different now than it was 10 years ago when MJ was in his prime. There were actually 50% outside shooters. Now a consistent 45-46% is considered good for an outside shooter.

2.) Kobe came out of high school into the NBA and MJ went to North Carolina for 3 years. Kobe has 2-3 more years of NBA experience under his belt.

3.) Kobe is 24 this season, when MJ was 24 on the Bulls they were still cellar dwellers. Kobe on the other hand has won 3 rings. When he joined the Lakers in 1996 they did not blow as many chunks as the Bulls did when MJ was 24.

I do think Kobe is going to be great in his own right but I want to see him evolve like how MJ did.

Like Entity said...

Originally posted by: Entity
Kobe is good, but he's no Jordan. In order to be compared to Jordan, he has to hold it up over the remainder of a lengthy career, and prove he can do it without Shaq. He can have a good supporting cast, but Shaq is much more than good - he's better than Pippen, Rodman and Kukoc combined. 😀

Rob

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Kobe still has to prove that he can make the players around him better.

I think he's done that already. Case and point, the past 3 lakers championships. He made shaq so good that shaq took home 3 finals mvp trophies. 😉

 

[jarfykk]

To everyone highlighting the Shaq-less Lakers this season and their bad record with Kobe playing first fiddle. Keep in mind Shaq makes $20millionUS. Figure what you could surround Kobe with for $20million. That would be like Sac-town, an awesome team, playing without Webber and Bibby and someone else.

Its not like the Lakers have a deep team or a backup for Shaq (nor does the league). But seriously, the Shaq-less period is not a litmus test for Kobe's skill. Three rings, stats getting better every year, best damn moves I've seen in ages (errrr....circa 1997). He's playing is his 7th season, let's see where he is in 6 years when he's 30.

Lakers in 2003. Peace.

---------------
Laker fan since 1984 (first conscious memory watching them). Watched 40+ games EVERY year, including the horrid part of 1990s. Hats off to the Kings though, awesome depth, good chemistry, fi the Lakers don't get it, they will. But one thing, this goes out to all the Kings fans who claim to have been there back in the day...especially the ones who watched for decades on TV leaving Arco empty until they got good. Arco was a terrible homecourt until the last few years, but now, gotta admit the bandwagon is full. Good job showing that teams can turn around (and not some bullcarp Allas Mavericks way of scoring 120pts but giving up 125, and no this year is not that much better).

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
What will it take for laker haters to finally admit that Kobe is as good as MJ.

If kobe comes back next season improved as much as he has each of his previous seasons, will people finally acknowledge that he is as good as we've seen?

Are you kidding me???

Kobe is a great player, I'll give him that. But MJ is the best player of all time. Kobe is NOT Michael Jordan.

 

[MC]

I'm not going to argue with you whether Kobe is a good or even great player. IMO, he is already a great player right now.

Jordan, along with Dominique, Dr. J, Kareem, Magic, Larry, etc were also great players, no doubt.

Why Jordan is Jordan that most people regards as the greatest of all time?

IMHO, it's because Jordan CHANGED the game. He changed the way the game being play, he changed the way the game being referee, he changed the way people look at sneakers, he obviously changed way too many results of games by his clutch-performance and buzzer-beater, he redefined gravity, he changed the way other team defend......

He basically changed the status of NBA, he changed the sport "Basketball".


Kobe Bryant, as good as he is right now, has he change any element or any espect of the game?

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: Storm
I do think Kobe is good but it remains to seen what happens over his career. When you try to compare him to MJ its hard for the following reasons:

1.) The game is different now than it was 10 years ago when MJ was in his prime. There were actually 50% outside shooters. Now a consistent 45-46% is considered good for an outside shooter.

2.) Kobe came out of high school into the NBA and MJ went to North Carolina for 3 years. Kobe has 2-3 more years of NBA experience under his belt.

3.) Kobe is 24 this season, when MJ was 24 on the Bulls they were still cellar dwellers. Kobe on the other hand has won 3 rings. When he joined the Lakers in 1996 they did not blow as many chunks as the Bulls did when MJ was 24.

I do think Kobe is going to be great in his own right but I want to see him evolve like how MJ did.

Like Entity said...

Originally posted by: Entity
Kobe is good, but he's no Jordan. In order to be compared to Jordan, he has to hold it up over the remainder of a lengthy career, and prove he can do it without Shaq. He can have a good supporting cast, but Shaq is much more than good - he's better than Pippen, Rodman and Kukoc combined. 😀

Rob

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I'm a Pistons fan🙂 Anyway, the true test for Kobe will be when Shaq retires. When Shaq wasn't there, the Lakers couldn't even beat Cleveland. Would the Lakers be a championship caliber team if they had Dirk Nowitzki instead of Shaq? I doubt it. Chicago never had a good center and they dominated the NBA. Kobe still has to prove that he can make the players around him better. At the beginning of the year, he failed that part of the exam.

Originally posted by: Jombo

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: jjsole Kobe will never have the pure energy and strength and endurance that jordan had to put up the numbers every night. He's awesome but doesn't yet hold a candle to jordan's career. He couldn't even average 30 points a game when shaq was out. Also, Jordan never had another teammate that required a double team each night, nor did he have someone that collapsed the defense like shaq. There's no comparison playing with shaq vs. playing with a pippen rodman or kukoc.

Sorry but it's an AND situation. i'd take Pippen, Kukoc and Rodman over Shaq, Horry and Walker (or any other 2 lakers you want to put in there).

i was just gonna sit and read, but i think you let kobe go right to your head. besides, Michael didn't have Rodman and Kukoc until he came back from his retirement, when he completely changed his game, and won 3 rings in a row.

Shaq and Kobe are good together, but you gotta remember that Kobe couldn't win even tho he was dropping 40 a game at times.

all of you are taking on and on about hypotheticals, and everyone has a thick head about how great you think Kobe is. Call him the greatest of all time for all i care, it won't change a thing on my mind about him. and unless Kobe can do it by himself it'll be hard to convince others that Kobe is better than Michael. I mean look at Pippen after Michael retired, not as good as everyone thought. Bulls made the playoffs but no ring, same for Kukoc... I mean Da Bulls are still recovering from Michael's 2nd retirement. Will shaq be not as good as everyone thinks if Kobe leaves?

what you all seem to be forgetting is that... the lakers are a team built around SHAQ as a foundation rather than being built with KOBE as the foundation.... everyone's saying that kobe couldn't carry the lakers when shaq was out, this and that, but if you open your eyes and really look at the game... it makes a difference they type of supporting cast you put around people... put kobe in MJ's shoes when he won all the championships.... put him on that kind of a team, with a better supporting role (minus shaq) that'll be better in every aspect cuz they can pay them more (because there's no shaq). Wake up people. The Lakers were not built around kobe, so just cuz kobe couldn't carry the lakers in the beginning of the season doesn't mean jack, it just means that the Lakers need to get a better supporting cast.

 

[gwlam12]

people also seem to be forgetting that even though the team without shaq did poorly, the team WITH shaq still did poorly. they went 8 and 10 before getting back on track.

 

[dahunan]

Anybody that holds Kobe responsible for how poorly the team played without Shaq AND Rick Fox IS TOO Ignorant about the game of Basketball TO EVEN GIVE THEIR OPINION ON THIS SUBJECT

 

[NewSc2]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Anybody that holds Kobe responsible for how poorly the team played without Shaq AND Rick Fox IS TOO Ignorant about the game of Basketball TO EVEN GIVE THEIR OPINION ON THIS SUBJECT

yeah, just look at how tmac's doing now, the magic aren't exactly the hottest team in the league, but tmac is a damn good player. (see also KG)

 

[First]

Kobe isn't just good, he's great.

Can he be the next Jordan? IMHO, very much so. Will he turn out to be the next Jordan?...ask me in 10 years. 🙂

Anyway...now that the Lakers are 3 games above .500, any Laker haters want to chime in. 😉

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
WHY??

Magic played w/ Worthy and Jabbar,

Bird played with Mchale and Parish

Dr. J played with Moses Malone

All great teams had more than one good player.

MJ had Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman

MJ "made" Pippen and Kukoc good.

 

[SendTrash]

I think Kobe wil be the next greatest player of all time... plus I bet he can play softball better than MJ.

 

[LeeTJ]

For all you MJ @sskissers, He is only one in a SERIES of Great players.

To the poster that said that MJ Changed the game. Not as much as Magic and Bird did in the late 70's early 80's. Not any more than Oscar Robertson did. Not any more than Wilt Chamberlin and Bill Russel did. Not any more than Dr. J did.

MJ was great, but compared to Dr J, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlin, Magic Johnson, Bill Russel he's only ONE of a crowd. NO way you can clearly say that MJ was better than those guys. Wilt averaged 50 ppg one season. he had a 100 pt game. he didn't just double double, he averaged 22 rpg and 30 ppg for his CAREER.

the Big O averaged a triple double one season.

Bill Russel 11 NBA championships.

MJ is not BETTER than these guys, he's only in the same class. Kobe will be there when he's done.

 

[MC]

LeeTJ,You just made my points. THANKS. 😀
From your quote in the following, you NEVER mention Kobe Bryant, which is our discussion --- Kobe will not be as great of a basketball player as Jordan if he hasn't done any of the guys mention below did.

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
To the poster that said that MJ Changed the game. Not as much as Magic and Bird did in the late 70's early 80's. Not any more than Oscar Robertson did. Not any more than Wilt Chamberlin and Bill Russel did. Not any more than Dr. J did.

MJ was great, but compared to Dr J, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlin, Magic Johnson, Bill Russel he's only ONE of a crowd. NO way you can clearly say that MJ was better than those guys. Wilt averaged 50 ppg one season. he had a 100 pt game. he didn't just double double, he averaged 22 rpg and 30 ppg for his CAREER.

the Big O averaged a triple double one season.

Bill Russel 11 NBA championships.

That being said, Comparing Kobe to Jordan right now is an INSULT to Jordan for what he had done for NBA and Basketball sport. Give me a break.
But, will Kobe be as good as jordan or better 10 years from now? I don't know, i think he very well might. We will see i guess.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: MingChia
LeeTJ,You just made my points. THANKS. 😀
From your quote in the following, you NEVER mention Kobe Bryant, which is our discussion --- Kobe will not be as great of a basketball player as Jordan if he hasn't done any of the guys mention below did.

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
To the poster that said that MJ Changed the game. Not as much as Magic and Bird did in the late 70's early 80's. Not any more than Oscar Robertson did. Not any more than Wilt Chamberlin and Bill Russel did. Not any more than Dr. J did.

MJ was great, but compared to Dr J, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlin, Magic Johnson, Bill Russel he's only ONE of a crowd. NO way you can clearly say that MJ was better than those guys. Wilt averaged 50 ppg one season. he had a 100 pt game. he didn't just double double, he averaged 22 rpg and 30 ppg for his CAREER.

the Big O averaged a triple double one season.

Bill Russel 11 NBA championships.

That being said, Comparing Kobe to Jordan right now is an INSULT to Jordan for what he had done for NBA and Basketball sport. Give me a break.
But, will Kobe be as good as jordan or better 10 years from now? I don't know, i think he very well might. We will see i guess.

We covered that already, Fans have always and will always speculate. By MJ's 5th or 6th season in the NBA many fans were comparing him to Dr. J etc etc. Did he deserve it? in hindsite yes, but fans will still speculate. My initial post was a SPECULATION.

my last post was dealing specifically with the Claim that MJ is the greatest of all time. That's a separate issue and he is CLEARLY NOT the greatest of all time. only to those who have no sense of history is he the greatest of all time. he is merely one of many GREATS.

 

[MC]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: MingChia
LeeTJ,You just made my points. THANKS. 😀
From your quote in the following, you NEVER mention Kobe Bryant, which is our discussion --- Kobe will not be as great of a basketball player as Jordan if he hasn't done any of the guys mention below did.

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
To the poster that said that MJ Changed the game. Not as much as Magic and Bird did in the late 70's early 80's. Not any more than Oscar Robertson did. Not any more than Wilt Chamberlin and Bill Russel did. Not any more than Dr. J did.

MJ was great, but compared to Dr J, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlin, Magic Johnson, Bill Russel he's only ONE of a crowd. NO way you can clearly say that MJ was better than those guys. Wilt averaged 50 ppg one season. he had a 100 pt game. he didn't just double double, he averaged 22 rpg and 30 ppg for his CAREER.

the Big O averaged a triple double one season.

Bill Russel 11 NBA championships.

That being said, Comparing Kobe to Jordan right now is an INSULT to Jordan for what he had done for NBA and Basketball sport. Give me a break.
But, will Kobe be as good as jordan or better 10 years from now? I don't know, i think he very well might. We will see i guess.

We covered that already, Fans have always and will always speculate. By MJ's 5th or 6th season in the NBA many fans were comparing him to Dr. J etc etc. Did he deserve it? in hindsite yes, but fans will still speculate. My initial post was a SPECULATION.

my last post was dealing specifically with the Claim that MJ is the greatest of all time. That's a separate issue and he is CLEARLY NOT the greatest of all time. only to those who have no sense of history is he the greatest of all time. he is merely one of many GREATS.

I don't know what you are talking about. You said your initial post was a SPECULATION.

What will it take for laker haters to finally admit that Kobe is as good as MJ.

That doesn't look like a speculation to me. To me, you think Kobe is already as good as MJ now. 🙂

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: MingChia

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: MingChia
LeeTJ,You just made my points. THANKS. 😀
From your quote in the following, you NEVER mention Kobe Bryant, which is our discussion --- Kobe will not be as great of a basketball player as Jordan if he hasn't done any of the guys mention below did.

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
To the poster that said that MJ Changed the game. Not as much as Magic and Bird did in the late 70's early 80's. Not any more than Oscar Robertson did. Not any more than Wilt Chamberlin and Bill Russel did. Not any more than Dr. J did.

MJ was great, but compared to Dr J, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlin, Magic Johnson, Bill Russel he's only ONE of a crowd. NO way you can clearly say that MJ was better than those guys. Wilt averaged 50 ppg one season. he had a 100 pt game. he didn't just double double, he averaged 22 rpg and 30 ppg for his CAREER.

the Big O averaged a triple double one season.

Bill Russel 11 NBA championships.

That being said, Comparing Kobe to Jordan right now is an INSULT to Jordan for what he had done for NBA and Basketball sport. Give me a break.
But, will Kobe be as good as jordan or better 10 years from now? I don't know, i think he very well might. We will see i guess.

We covered that already, Fans have always and will always speculate. By MJ's 5th or 6th season in the NBA many fans were comparing him to Dr. J etc etc. Did he deserve it? in hindsite yes, but fans will still speculate. My initial post was a SPECULATION.

my last post was dealing specifically with the Claim that MJ is the greatest of all time. That's a separate issue and he is CLEARLY NOT the greatest of all time. only to those who have no sense of history is he the greatest of all time. he is merely one of many GREATS.

I don't know what you are talking about. You said your initial post was a SPECULATION.

What will it take for laker haters to finally admit that Kobe is as good as MJ.

That doesn't look like a speculation to me. To me, you think Kobe is already as good as MJ now. 🙂

It can be nothing BUT speculation as his career isn't done yet, DUHHHH.

as to your other point, Kobe has already been a part of 3 championship teams. that's a pretty big head start.

and in response to the point your going to make about shaq, puhlease. MJ couldn't win w/o support. Look at Dominique Wilkins, if he had been on a better team, he would have been considered one of the all time greats.

 

[MC]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: MingChia

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: MingChia
LeeTJ,You just made my points. THANKS. 😀
From your quote in the following, you NEVER mention Kobe Bryant, which is our discussion --- Kobe will not be as great of a basketball player as Jordan if he hasn't done any of the guys mention below did.

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
To the poster that said that MJ Changed the game. Not as much as Magic and Bird did in the late 70's early 80's. Not any more than Oscar Robertson did. Not any more than Wilt Chamberlin and Bill Russel did. Not any more than Dr. J did.

MJ was great, but compared to Dr J, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlin, Magic Johnson, Bill Russel he's only ONE of a crowd. NO way you can clearly say that MJ was better than those guys. Wilt averaged 50 ppg one season. he had a 100 pt game. he didn't just double double, he averaged 22 rpg and 30 ppg for his CAREER.

the Big O averaged a triple double one season.

Bill Russel 11 NBA championships.

That being said, Comparing Kobe to Jordan right now is an INSULT to Jordan for what he had done for NBA and Basketball sport. Give me a break.
But, will Kobe be as good as jordan or better 10 years from now? I don't know, i think he very well might. We will see i guess.

We covered that already, Fans have always and will always speculate. By MJ's 5th or 6th season in the NBA many fans were comparing him to Dr. J etc etc. Did he deserve it? in hindsite yes, but fans will still speculate. My initial post was a SPECULATION.

my last post was dealing specifically with the Claim that MJ is the greatest of all time. That's a separate issue and he is CLEARLY NOT the greatest of all time. only to those who have no sense of history is he the greatest of all time. he is merely one of many GREATS.

I don't know what you are talking about. You said your initial post was a SPECULATION.

What will it take for laker haters to finally admit that Kobe is as good as MJ.

That doesn't look like a speculation to me. To me, you think Kobe is already as good as MJ now. 🙂

It can be nothing BUT speculation as his career isn't done yet, DUHHHH.

as to your other point, Kobe has already been a part of 3 championship teams. that's a pretty big head start.

and in response to the point your going to make about shaq, puhlease. MJ couldn't win w/o support. Look at Dominique Wilkins, if he had been on a better team, he would have been considered one of the all time greats.

Hmm, i didn't make any arguement about shaq and nor i'm going to smart ass. 😉
Again, "What will it take for laker haters to finally admit that Kobe is as good as MJ." sounds like you are requesting people to admit Kobe is already as good as MJ now, at least to me you are, if i misunderstood, my bad.

 

[LikeLinus]

Everyone is missing a big key here...... Michael Jordan had it all.

He had leadership. He had the image. He had the smarts for marketing himself in a way no one else currently in sports has.

You never saw MJ having public fights with his own teammates. He did scream at his teammates and motivate them, but he also respected them off the court and that pushing was left off the court. Kobe likes to sling mud in the press about his own teammate.

Earlier this year Kobe had the chance to lead his team and failed miserably. He didn't have the leadership to help his team out. All he did was try to go out and score. But actually being a LEADER takes a lot more than that. He doesn't know how or understand how to motivate teammates like Michael did. Michael had the heart of a champion and he pushed everyone around him to make them better.

Do you really believe BJ Armstrong was that great of a player? Do you really believe Steve Kerr is that great of a player? But playing with the MJ, he was able to bring the best out of them and make them play their game at a higher level than what they ever had.

Kobe also doesn't really know how to market himself to fans. He actually hurts himself by not going to the Slam Dunk contest and things like that. Sure he shows up at the All-Start game, but he's only 24 years old and should be doing these Dunk Contest to get the fans excited. Michael pushed himself world wide with the advertisements and his image. Kobe just lacks that charisma that Michael has. I don?t know what it is, he just doesn't appear to "have it"

Michael revolutionized the game and the way it is marketed. He made NIKE, the largest sports appear company in the world, what it is today. Kobe has never, and will never be able to do that. The game was already setup for him. There weren't big time advertisements for basketball players back them. You didn't see shoe ad's on TV, in the magazines, everywhere you look.

Kobe is a tremendous player, and probably a great player. But he really lacks what it takes to be a Leader and a true genius of the game. Michael brought a team up from the ground. He didn't have the coattails of the most dominant player in the game to ride on.....because he WAS the most dominant player. Until Kobe can really take over a team without Shaq and lead them to a title, because of what he does on the court and with his teammates....he'll never be like Mike.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Everyone is missing a big key here...... Michael Jordan had it all.

He had leadership. He had the image. He had the smarts for marketing himself in a way no one else currently in sports has.

You never saw MJ having public fights with his own teammates. He did scream at his teammates and motivate them, but he also respected them off the court and that pushing was left off the court. Kobe likes to sling mud in the press about his own teammate.

Earlier this year Kobe had the chance to lead his team and failed miserably. He didn't have the leadership to help his team out. All he did was try to go out and score. But actually being a LEADER takes a lot more than that. He doesn't know how or understand how to motivate teammates like Michael did. Michael had the heart of a champion and he pushed everyone around him to make them better.

Do you really believe BJ Armstrong was that great of a player? Do you really believe Steve Kerr is that great of a player? But playing with the MJ, he was able to bring the best out of them and make them play their game at a higher level than what they ever had.

Kobe also doesn't really know how to market himself to fans. He actually hurts himself by not going to the Slam Dunk contest and things like that. Sure he shows up at the All-Start game, but he's only 24 years old and should be doing these Dunk Contest to get the fans excited. Michael pushed himself world wide with the advertisements and his image. Kobe just lacks that charisma that Michael has. I don?t know what it is, he just doesn't appear to "have it"

Michael revolutionized the game and the way it is marketed. He made NIKE, the largest sports appear company in the world, what it is today. Kobe has never, and will never be able to do that. The game was already setup for him. There weren't big time advertisements for basketball players back them. You didn't see shoe ad's on TV, in the magazines, everywhere you look.

Kobe is a tremendous player, and probably a great player. But he really lacks what it takes to be a Leader and a true genius of the game. Michael brought a team up from the ground. He didn't have the coattails of the most dominant player in the game to ride on.....because he WAS the most dominant player. Until Kobe can really take over a team without Shaq and lead them to a title, because of what he does on the court and with his teammates....he'll never be like Mike.

all the marketing stuff has absolutely NOTHING to do with basketball.

Most of what you said about michael and his teammates is only hindsite. and it also forgets that HE DIDN'T Win his first 5 seasons. How quickly people forget the bulls before phil jackson. MJ needed a supporting cast just like anyone else. all the greats had supporting casts and the supporting casts made them look good. Magic w/o worthy and kareem, Bird w/o McHale and Parish, Dr J w/o Moses or Moses w/o Dr. J. The list goes on and on. so the fact that Kobe couldn't win w/o Shaq means ABSOLUTELY nothing.

again, most of your post was about image, who cares about image. it doesn't make a great basketball player. anna kournokova gets LOTS of public exposure and endorsements, does that make her a great tennis player. puuhhhllleease.

talk to me about basketball and not about image and marketing.

MJ didn't build that team MANAGEMENT did and untill all the pieces were in place HE DIDN'T WIN. Get the facts straight.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I'll acknoledge it when he makes 100M a year from advertising, has two lame white boys on his team,scores 40 pts season average and wins the slam dunk compitition.

 

[McPhreak]

Originally posted by: MingChia

Why Jordan is Jordan that most people regards as the greatest of all time?

IMHO, it's because Jordan CHANGED the game. He changed the way the game being play, he changed the way the game being referee, he changed the way people look at sneakers, he obviously changed way too many results of games by his clutch-performance and buzzer-beater, he redefined gravity, he changed the way other team defend......

He basically changed the status of NBA, he changed the sport "Basketball".

You've been watching too many Don Cheadle "NFL Playoffs" commercials. 😉

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
For all you MJ @sskissers, He is only one in a SERIES of Great players.

To the poster that said that MJ Changed the game. Not as much as Magic and Bird did in the late 70's early 80's. Not any more than Oscar Robertson did. Not any more than Wilt Chamberlin and Bill Russel did. Not any more than Dr. J did.

MJ was great, but compared to Dr J, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlin, Magic Johnson, Bill Russel he's only ONE of a crowd. NO way you can clearly say that MJ was better than those guys. Wilt averaged 50 ppg one season. he had a 100 pt game. he didn't just double double, he averaged 22 rpg and 30 ppg for his CAREER.

the Big O averaged a triple double one season.

Bill Russel 11 NBA championships.

MJ is not BETTER than these guys, he's only in the same class. Kobe will be there when he's done.

uhm.... MJ was the best player EVAR. When Wilt Chamberlain played, there was only Bill Russell who had a chance against him, MJ played against a LOT of Superstars. Forget it, MJ was one in a bazillion. Do you get goosebumps when you see Wilt's moves? I don't, but when I see MJ play, he's so elegant, etc. I'm just saying MJ was the best of the best (we're not gettin' into how he plays now).

 

[McPhreak]

Originally posted by: ckk81
Kobe is an excellent player, but he is far too arrogant for my taste. Like today on espn, he said something like" i was able to go in and out of their WHOLE defense at will " which is why i hate him. I am a kings fan myself, but skill wise, he is awesome, but he needs to mature mentally.

umm....that's because he really was able to go in and out of their WHOLE defense at will. SportsCenter spent about 5 minutes laughing last night at the Denver Nuggets as Kobe went on a 1-on-4 fast break and still managed to score.

 

[MC]

Originally posted by: McPhreak

Originally posted by: MingChia

Why Jordan is Jordan that most people regards as the greatest of all time?

IMHO, it's because Jordan CHANGED the game. He changed the way the game being play, he changed the way the game being referee, he changed the way people look at sneakers, he obviously changed way too many results of games by his clutch-performance and buzzer-beater, he redefined gravity, he changed the way other team defend......

He basically changed the status of NBA, he changed the sport "Basketball".

You've been watching too many Don Cheadle "NFL Playoffs" commercials. 😉

lol, did i?? 😉

Seriously though, who the heck is Don Cheadle? I never seen his commercial. 😱 Does he talk like this or something?