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Kobe Bryant: NBA 2007-2008 MVP
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Wow, lots of vitriol for someone you don't seem to know much about. Bitter Shaq fan? 😉
If you are... it's now perfectly clear Lakers hitched their wagon to the right younger, more driven player. Shaq, for all his unreal physical gifts, never has and never will have anywhere near the work ethic or ambition that Kobe has always shown. It's clear though that patience does not count as one of Kobe's virtues. He was made a promise when he re-signed with the Lakers instead of jumping ship to the Clippers. The promise was that he'd have a team built around him if he signed, a contender. The time frame I guess wasn't exactly clear, which probably led to the offseason banter. Kobe saw management pass up on moves that in his mind would have immediately improved the team even if it were at the expense of the team's chances long-term. He saw this inactivity and a general sense of "leaving things be" as not being part of the bargain. I lay some blame on both the franchise as well as Kobe for what occurred over the summer.
Naturally, everything worked out for the better and Kobe went so far as admitting so while recognizing things wouldn't have turned out this well if he was GM/in charge of personnel moves. Not only does Kobe finally have the quality of players surrounding him he's always been craving, but they, too have developed the same mentality on the court he has, which has made this a very dangerous and successful team even w/o a key piece (Bynum). And not only has this team gelled on the court thanks in large part to Kobe's efforts, but the off-the-court camaraderie is something this Laker family has not witnessed since the Showtime days.
Also, keep in mind Kobe did not drive Shaq off as is popular myth. It's been debunked if you want to go look it up, and I won't delve into that. Simply put, as an employee, calling out your boss in public by shouting "Pay me, motherf*%&er!" doesn't exactly endear you to your employer. He paved his own way out of the franchise.
If you aren't... I don't know why you have your undies in a twist over this matter. As if the proclivities of a larger-than-life ball player were kept entirely within his bedroom or behind a motel door... Kobe did not go so far as implicate Shaq in anything criminal. And as much as Kobe knew he did not do anything illegal, when you have an inkling you're being railroaded, hey, adherence to this arbitrary "man code" may be the last thing on your mind, and you may say or do things we otherwise would never contemplate. Imagine, having led a good, clean life, then you make a stupid mistake (one we're all capable of making) and all of a sudden, it seems as if the world is opening to swallow you whole... it must make one feel awfully lonely and desperate. Yup, it was an ugly, embarassing situation Kobe got himself into, no doubt, and I'm sure he's been doing everything possible since to put that far behind him.
And being local, I'm surprised you haven't read one of the occasional stories in the P-E or OC Register that get little press coverage nationally (perhaps as Kobe prefers it) describing Kobe's visits with terminally ill children. He's already made some kids' very last dreams come true while lifting up the spirits of many a crushed family, but feats like that will never be enough for some the likes of you. I'm sure the white, blessed light you've shined on the whole of humanity has you sleeping well at night. I don't know how Kobe does...
:roll:
*sigh* Shouldn't have spent even 15 seconds in making this reply, but I had a little time to kill before class
QueBert
Lifer
Kobe had no reason to say one word about Shaq cheating, and now I'm not a bitter Shaq fan. As far as I'm concerned Shaq is better, and Shaq won a ring without ball hog Kobe. Has Kobe done the same? Kobe MIGHT get a ring this year, but it's far from over. If the Lakers had kept Shaq they would have another ring already. They're 2 totally different players, but Shaq is easily the most dominating center the game has ever seen. And when both have retired Shaq will be the more remembers of the 2.
QueBert
Lifer
depends on how you look at it, Ronaldo made a choice to ALMOST have sex with cross dressing hookers and do drugs with them. Kobe raped a girl, something she didn't agree to. At least what the soccer player did was agreed to by all parties involved. In prison rapists aren't liked at all. Ronaldo would be much better off in jail than Kobe. Ronaldo never actually even had sex, big whoopie.
^ It's all he has to cling to since his hero rode off into the Suns-et and Kobe rose to prominence. 😉
That and the preposterous, baseless allegations from venom-filled douchebag man-haters like Wendy Murphy and Nancy Grace who tried to get the world to believe from the start scandal that the innocent & fragile heifer was nearly sawed in two by Kobe's brutal, unprovoked pistoning action(TM).
That and the preposterous, baseless allegations from venom-filled douchebag man-haters like Wendy Murphy and Nancy Grace who tried to get the world to believe from the start scandal that the innocent & fragile heifer was nearly sawed in two by Kobe's brutal, unprovoked pistoning action(TM).
QueBert
Lifer
so because what Kobe was going through that made him snitching on Shaq acceptable? That was one of the biggest bitch moves in the history of bitch moves. Shaq had said NOTHING bad about Kobe cheating on his wife. But for whatever reason Kobe thought mentioning how Shaq also cheats would make it better? Since leaving the Lakers Shaq has another ring, Kobe doesn't. They won't win it all this year, and Kobe will be lucky to ever get a ring again.
Kobe's a cry baby, snitching ass bitch, I can't wait for the next time he starts to whine about his team not playing well and "trade me!" then hopefully they'll actually do it. The Lakers would be better off without him any ways. Yeah he's good player, but he's not a team player unless they're doing well. What kind of shit is that?
im definitely not gonna argue the whole "he's a bitch" point because in all fairness, everyone has their own opinions of the dude. i don't think he's a bitch, but he does whine at times.
BUT, i don't know how you could argue he's not a team player. He was a team player when they weren't doing well and he was surrounded by scrub teammates. it was a ridiculous trade to send pau gasol to the lakers, but he was what they needed to make the team work.
and, as much you can hate on him, kobe's not simply a good player but a great player. in my opinion, i dont think there's a better player in the nba.
Sorry you obviously were not around while he played, a shame you only have modern players for comparision lol.
Paragraph two is 100% legitimate, I believe the quotes can be found in an old issue of the Sporting News. I may have mangled it a bit but the message is accurate. He went through all that trouble for a 60 second walk through a hotel lobby just for his fans.
What's your beef with the 2nd part? Are you suggesting he didn't carry the leauge, or himself, with dignity? Any idea why he was so incredibly successfull in the endorsement arena? Please inform the rest of the world of the issues surrounding Jordan during his playing career. Better yet find me one objective person that knew the game that had a negative thing to say about him, either on or off the court. Pure class, while Kobe is pure trash.
Definitely a Jordan fan, but also a Cavs fan. After the great Lakers/Celts teams of the 80's started to fall off a bit many experts picked the Cavs to be the next perennial powerhouse capable of winning multiple championships. Jordan single handily ended every chance they had, so it is more of a love hate thing lol.
About two weeks ago our local paper ran a breakdown on league honors won by players in the past. The number, and combinations in one season, won by Jordan will never be matched. Besides those accolades his titles speak for themselves. He wasn't the most naturally gifted player ever, it was his work ethic, determination, and refusal to fail or lose that separates him from anyone else to ever grace the hardwoood. Kobe is a fucking JOKE compared to MJ, as a man, as a player, and as a teamate.
^ You're absolutely right. Here I was thinking and freely admitting Kobe was a flawed human being, but you have definitely opened my eyes. Why he's not even fit to lick the crud off the roaches living in the piles of garbage inside a dumpster. Heck, after reading articles like this and this, the only words that come to my mind are the couple you so eloquently stated: pure trash. Seriously, how can anyone else see anything but the cold, calculating, sinister beast this pathetic excuse for a human being tries to hide behind this obviously false, friendly persona?
No one, absolutely no one for all of mankind will ever come close to matching, less eclipsing the feats of the quasi-Jesus that is your idol. No one will be the man, no one will ever be the player, and no one will ever be quite the teammate MJ was. As you said, Kobe has accomplished absolutely rubbish in his 12 years in the league, and knowing him, he'll likely anytime soon start snorting lines of coke prior to games, banging transvestite prostitutes in front of his wife and young daughters, eating babies, and randomly shooting at opposing teams' fans crossing Chick Hearn Court on their way to Staples to quench his insatiable hunger for debauchery, mayhem, death, & destruction. That's easily the next 8-10 years of his "basketball career" in a microcosm. I completely agree that only the next coming of the real Jesus (RJ as opposed to MJ... is it mere coincidence?!) will put an end to this Kobe plague that's been unleashed upon a poor unsuspecting Earth.
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No one, absolutely no one for all of mankind will ever come close to matching, less eclipsing the feats of the quasi-Jesus that is your idol. No one will be the man, no one will ever be the player, and no one will ever be quite the teammate MJ was. As you said, Kobe has accomplished absolutely rubbish in his 12 years in the league, and knowing him, he'll likely anytime soon start snorting lines of coke prior to games, banging transvestite prostitutes in front of his wife and young daughters, eating babies, and randomly shooting at opposing teams' fans crossing Chick Hearn Court on their way to Staples to quench his insatiable hunger for debauchery, mayhem, death, & destruction. That's easily the next 8-10 years of his "basketball career" in a microcosm. I completely agree that only the next coming of the real Jesus (RJ as opposed to MJ... is it mere coincidence?!) will put an end to this Kobe plague that's been unleashed upon a poor unsuspecting Earth.
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indamixx99
Golden Member
Live conference on now! 🙂
KingGheedora
Diamond Member
All of that -- totally irrelevant to the MVP conversation.
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