Kobe accuser's testimony is now public "grabbed around the neck and raped from behind"

[prontospyder]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Francesca

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Francesca
Well....I'd say it's obvious from the replies who actually knows a victim of sexual assault or has themselves been a victim of sexual assault. And people wonder why this sort of crime is so rarely reported. I guess it's because of the callousness of the majority of the general public. :disgust:

I get so tired of hearing this mumbo jumbo. We are all adults who have had sex in many ways. This story is so whack it doesn't even add up. When they said she had marks I was thinking she had all these marks showing he smacked her or something. Now the cop seen no brusies but the nurse did? Ok so who's lying or blind. This is clearly he said she said fiasco. And if all they are going to bring to the table is this weak stuff Kobe will walk unless he gets convicted for other reasons.

You have to figure that the state of dress could have been different when she was in front of the cop compared to when she was in front of the nurse. Not to mention if her hair was up or down. A cop might not know where to look and a nurse might. Also, time frame from the point of injury to the showing of bruising varies. It has to do with timeline. Someone can look relatively unhurt and develop bruises at a later time.

Most rape cases are he said/she said. Yes, they definitely need better evidence. I totally agree with you on that, but that's not what you were originally saying. You simply said, as you did yet again, 'This story is so whack it doesn't even add up.' So where's the he said/ she said? There's no objectivity there. You seem intent on saying that she's wrong just because there's no strong physical evidence. Couldn't it have happened the way she said and yet still be lacking in the evidence area? Anything is possible and sadly the only people that know what really happened are her and Kobe. Regardless of the decisions in the legal system we really will never know.

They have more evidence than most rape cases.

Her blood on his clothes, multiple bruses on her face, neck and arms, as well as vaginal trauma. And thats just whats came out so far, next Weds the hearing resumes.

Winters seemed sure of himself when questioned by prosecutors, but wasn't so sharp when Mackey had her shot. At one point she asked Winters whether he had seen a bruise on the woman's neck allegedly caused by Bryant when he interviewed her the day after the incident.

``She talks on how Mr. Kobe Bryant grabbed her neck and choked her,'' Mackey told Winters. ``You looked at her neck to see?''

Winters said he had, then Mackey asked him if he saw any injuries on her neck.

``Not from the front, no,'' he said.

``Not a red mark?'' she asked.

``That's correct,'' he said.

``Not a scratch?''

``That's correct.''

Yahoo Sports

 

[huesmann]

How can there be vaginal brusing if he did her in da butt? And wouldn't that be a little painful without lube?

 

[Dat]

Her blood on his shirt and the fact that she went straight to the bellhop and told him what happened pretty much seals the case. I don't see a case where a woman would leave a room crying after "consensual" sex. He is going to rot in jail.

 

[MaxDepth]

It is amazing, that with as little evidence and much inuendo and heresay, that we are either "frying his ass" or she's a "lying, money grabbing slut."

I guess it is hard to expect fair and impartiality reasoning out of most of you. Sometimes when things like this happens, the Internet and rapid communication networks really show the uglyness of rumor-mongering.

I will tell you this. This sleepy little town did not want this attention but the police and prosecutor felt they had enough evidence (physical and anecdotal) to warrant an arrest and trial.

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth


I will tell you this. This sleepy little town did not want this attention but the police and prosecutor felt they had enough evidence (physical and anecdotal) to warrant an arrest and trial.

The "sleepy little town" might not have wanted this attention, but the DA sure seems like he did.

 

[Rudee]

Nailed her over a chair? Wow, right out of a porn movie. The only difference being a real porn star would certainly last longer than 5 minutes.

 

[NWRMidnight]

What bothers me is his defense team requested her medical records, and the judge refused, and wouldn't allow them access. Why? What are her attorneys hiding in her medical records that they convinced the judge to side with them and not give them access? Also, if they wouldn't allow the defense team access to her medical records, how can they use any part of them as evidence against him? (Nurse statements, records on her injuries and such)

I'm not a fan, and I don't even know any thing about the guy, but from the outside, it appears that the law is helping in her story, and blocking his efforts to prove his side of the story. I thought everyone deserves a fair trial, which to means that any information such as medical records and such should be released to the defense if it can help his case.

Is is possible that her medical records would indicate she spends a lot of time in the sack with motel clients, or that she is the type of person that bruses easy? My wife is like that, If I even tap her on the arm, or barely squeeze her, she will bruse.

Daniel

 

[Aharami]

just wait and see what happens. everyone has their mind made up on this case and i doubt all the argueing and "logical reasoning" would change someone else's mind

 

[Looney]

I guess it is hard to expect fair and impartiality reasoning out of most of you. Sometimes when things like this happens, the Internet and rapid communication networks really show the uglyness of rumor-mongering.

You're naive if you think the internet has created gossip. And this is just people's opinion. Everybody has an opinion on the matter if they're interested in it. You shouldn't be browsing the web and visiting these forums if you're offended or disturbed by people's opinions.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: NWRMidnight
What bothers me is his defense team requested her medical records, and the judge refused, and wouldn't allow them access. Why? What are her attorneys hiding in her medical records that they convinced the judge to side with them and not give them access? Also, if they wouldn't allow the defense team access to her medical records, how can they use any part of them as evidence against him? (Nurse statements, records on her injuries and such) I'm not a fan, and I don't even know any thing about the guy, but from the outside, it appears that the law is helping in her story, and blocking his efforts to prove his side of the story. I thought everyone deserves a fair trial, which to means that any information such as medical records and such should be released to the defense if it can help his case. Is is possible that her medical records would indicate she spends a lot of time in the sack with motel clients, or that she is the type of person that bruses easy? My wife is like that, If I even tap her on the arm, or barely squeeze her, she will bruse. Daniel

Because her medical records showed that she has have sex with three other man previously, and continuously for days before Kobe got to tap her.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo

Originally posted by: NWRMidnight
What bothers me is his defense team requested her medical records, and the judge refused, and wouldn't allow them access. Why? What are her attorneys hiding in her medical records that they convinced the judge to side with them and not give them access? Also, if they wouldn't allow the defense team access to her medical records, how can they use any part of them as evidence against him? (Nurse statements, records on her injuries and such) I'm not a fan, and I don't even know any thing about the guy, but from the outside, it appears that the law is helping in her story, and blocking his efforts to prove his side of the story. I thought everyone deserves a fair trial, which to means that any information such as medical records and such should be released to the defense if it can help his case. Is is possible that her medical records would indicate she spends a lot of time in the sack with motel clients, or that she is the type of person that bruses easy? My wife is like that, If I even tap her on the arm, or barely squeeze her, she will bruse. Daniel

Because her medical records showed that she has have sex with three other man previously, and continuously for days before Kobe got to tap her.

"Pamela Mackey, during her cross-examination of the Eagle County sheriff's detective who interviewed the alleged victim, asked if the accuser's injuries would be consistent with someone who had had sex with three different men in three days."

Can you say sluttified?

Who is to say that one of the other men that she slept with during this time did the damage and Kobe was just a meal ticket to a lawsuit?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo

Originally posted by: NWRMidnight
What bothers me is his defense team requested her medical records, and the judge refused, and wouldn't allow them access. Why? What are her attorneys hiding in her medical records that they convinced the judge to side with them and not give them access? Also, if they wouldn't allow the defense team access to her medical records, how can they use any part of them as evidence against him? (Nurse statements, records on her injuries and such) I'm not a fan, and I don't even know any thing about the guy, but from the outside, it appears that the law is helping in her story, and blocking his efforts to prove his side of the story. I thought everyone deserves a fair trial, which to means that any information such as medical records and such should be released to the defense if it can help his case. Is is possible that her medical records would indicate she spends a lot of time in the sack with motel clients, or that she is the type of person that bruses easy? My wife is like that, If I even tap her on the arm, or barely squeeze her, she will bruse. Daniel

Because her medical records showed that she has have sex with three other man previously, and continuously for days before Kobe got to tap her.

So you have been reading other people's medical records without their consent eh? You realise that is a federal crime now that HIPPA is in force right?

The judge restricted access to her past medical records because that information would have little bearing on the case.

 

[alkemyst]

I still don't see how the judge can say her past medical has no bearing....let the jury see it and let them vote.

I have had sex where I have been bruised the next day...I don't bruise easily.

 

[emb09]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
Riighhhhtt

, can I do that again?

Riiiighhhhttttt

I don't think that he raped her... but he probably didn't pay her enough... *rim shot*. It would be the equivalent of an ATOTer saying ____________ <-----( insert your favorite models names here), throw me on the couch and raped me!... Help, and I was too much of a geek to scream for help.

Are you aware that he even admitted she was crying hysterically when she left his room. He said it was because he didn't have a condom (even though he claimed he stopped). NOW THAT'S HARD TO BUY.

i agree. that is not much of a defense for kobe.

what does this chick look like? height? weight? race?

 

[emb09]

Originally posted by: Citrix
damn, Kobe lasted only 5 min? that alone should be a crime.


If what the girl says is true then Kobe needs to go to jail.

nice quote. I can't stop laughing.

 

[enjoi]

as we can see she is a slut. since when do sluts have any self-respect?

 

[MaxDepth]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

I guess it is hard to expect fair and impartiality reasoning out of most of you. Sometimes when things like this happens, the Internet and rapid communication networks really show the uglyness of rumor-mongering.

You're naive if you think the internet has created gossip. And this is just people's opinion. Everybody has an opinion on the matter if they're interested in it. You shouldn't be browsing the web and visiting these forums if you're offended or disturbed by people's opinions.

Nah, I was never naive. All the internet does is bring people of like minds together. that's why it is both harder (now with international support contacts and faster access) and easier (you get one, you could catch many just by email lists) to catch pedophiles. Technology crosses time and distance easier than in the past. It didn't invent gossip, just collects similar opinons easier and give them an outlet.

It isn't disturbing to me with all these opinions. I think it is laughable how readily this opinions have formed and with the forcefulness of righteous convictions, without even the trial starting (I'm not counting pre-trail arguments). In fact, I can step step in and say quite forcefully that I have no opinion on this matter and I don't really care.

 

[emb09]

bent over a chair? That reminds me of the love scene (if you can call it that) from Basic Instinct when Michael Douglas bends Dr. Elizabeth Garner over a couch and analizes her.

Question:

Do you think in the future when people are referring to anal sex they will say - Do you want to get kobe-ized?

Lastly,

She was on the clock when the attack took place? Maybe she knew kobe was a pre-ejaculator.

 

[Ryan]

Actually, that's not her testimony, that's what an investigator said when being questioned on the stand. She did not testify yesterday.

 

[agampher]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
IN TEH BUTT?

Holy moly I cracked up for like 5 minutes when I saw this post.