Knowledge - Are we learning, or unlocking?

SilthDraeth

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So I have had this theory for a while now, and it is probably bat shit crazy insane. And I am sure some people will come in here and use better knowledge of science than I possess to argue for or against my theory.

Anyways, long wall of text to follow, broken up by some sporadic uses of the enter key.

What if all the knowledge in the universe is "known/available" to us? And instead of actually learning, or methods of teaching, and learning are actually just unlocking the knowledge that is imprinted on every brain?

For instance, I don't believe humanity as a whole is any more intelligent than they were a thousand years ago. We are just aware of different things, with different priorities. Sure we have access to ancient knowledge as it was recorded in ancient writings. But for the most part, if you where to take a random person out of a major US city, and throw them into a jungle to survive, they wouldn't be able to, even if they had read a text on it. But take someone who "learned" how to survive and they would stand a far greater chance.

Also, I believe myself to have a finite memory. As I "acquire" new knowledge, I find myself forgetting some things I used to know. But some people have near total, or total recall.

Then there are people that make amazing discoveries that are centuries head of the science, and industry needed to bring them to reality.

I feel that the knowledge is there, just waiting to be unlocked, though most people will only unlock small portions of it, some unlock what we consider "new ideas".

Obviously making written records gives us the illusion that we know more, only because we have access to what the past knew, though I still hold, that we do not actually know more, we just know differently.
 

SagaLore

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So I have had this theory for a while now, and it is probably bat shit crazy insane. And I am sure some people will come in here and use better knowledge of science than I possess to argue for or against my theory.

Anyways, long wall of text to follow, broken up by some sporadic uses of the enter key.

What if all the knowledge in the universe is "known/available" to us? And instead of actually learning, or methods of teaching, and learning are actually just unlocking the knowledge that is imprinted on every brain?

For instance, I don't believe humanity as a whole is any more intelligent than they were a thousand years ago. We are just aware of different things, with different priorities. Sure we have access to ancient knowledge as it was recorded in ancient writings. But for the most part, if you where to take a random person out of a major US city, and throw them into a jungle to survive, they wouldn't be able to, even if they had read a text on it. But take someone who "learned" how to survive and they would stand a far greater chance.

Also, I believe myself to have a finite memory. As I "acquire" new knowledge, I find myself forgetting some things I used to know. But some people have near total, or total recall.

Then there are people that make amazing discoveries that are centuries head of the science, and industry needed to bring them to reality.

I feel that the knowledge is there, just waiting to be unlocked, though most people will only unlock small portions of it, some unlock what we consider "new ideas".

Obviously making written records gives us the illusion that we know more, only because we have access to what the past knew, though I still hold, that we do not actually know more, we just know differently.


You play too many video games.
 

slayer202

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No

If you want to think about something interesting, think about how we don't have free will(everything we do is based on the past) but we still innovate, invent, create. Very cool
 

Braznor

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OP, I believe there are these things called 'universal' truths. These truths exist unbound by space and time and so everything in this universe and the universe itself are just an expression of these truths.

Similarly we too are summation of some of these 'truths' and our actions whether physical or mental are again manifestations of these objects.

Example : Consider the story 'Romeo and Juliet', this is an expression of natural truths regarding emotions. If aliens could love, I'm sure they are enacting their own version of Romeo and Juliet with the same basic expressions of love, tragedy and circumstances in a space opera 10000000 lightyears away from us.
 

us3rnotfound

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Yeah I've had the same thoughts.

In a parallel universe, would the Ipad be like the same size and everything? Maybe .25" different dimension lengthwise?

What I'm driving at, is the collective efforts of everybody driving things to be the way they are optimally to be?
 
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No.

Your brain acquires knowledge and forms new links to manage. It's not unlocking things it knew already.

Biologists can explain it better.
 
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Yeah I've had the same thoughts.

In a parallel universe, would the Ipad be like the same size and everything? Maybe .25" different dimension lengthwise?

What I'm driving at, is the collective efforts of everybody driving things to be the way they are optimally to be?
That's how evolution works. :shrug:
 

IronWing

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Knowledge of the thing is not the same as the thing itself. The universe is as it is whether we know about it or not. We don't carry a complete map to the universe in our heads waiting to be read. We have to go out and read the universe itself to gain knowledge of it.
 
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Earth has 4 corner

simultaneous 4-day

time cube

within single rotation.

4 corner days proves 1

day 1 god is taught evil.

Ignorance of timecube4

simple math is retardation

and evil education damnation.

Cubeless americans deserve -

and shall be exterminated.
 

IronWing

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Earth has 4 corner

simultaneous 4-day

time cube

within single rotation.

4 corner days proves 1

day 1 god is taught evil.

Ignorance of timecube4

simple math is retardation

and evil education damnation.

Cubeless americans deserve -

and shall be exterminated.

So those of us who work in cubes are good to go?
 

SlitheryDee

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No. We've been steadily building on past knowledge ever since we learned how to record it. Saying that we're just unlocking stuff that was already there is a disservice to the people who worked so are and are still working so hard to figure these things out.

All you have to do to disprove your theory is think about how you figure things out. You see something happening that you've never seen before. You then see what causes it and how it affects other things. That information gets recorded into your brain. It wasn't there before waiting to be "unlocked". YOU put it there. That's exactly how we learn everything else.
 

IronWing

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It's like one of those dreams, usually the kind of dream you have just before you wake up, where you have to obtain a piece of information to progress further in the dream. At some point you realize that 1) you don't have the info and 2) it's a dream and there is no way to obtain the info while asleep so the dream deadends.
 

SilthDraeth

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It's like one of those dreams, usually the kind of dream you have just before you wake up, where you have to obtain a piece of information to progress further in the dream. At some point you realize that 1) you don't have the info and 2) it's a dream and there is no way to obtain the info while asleep so the dream deadends.

Have you ever experienced a lucid dream?

And I do not mean to disservice the people making the "great discoveries" However, on our own planet, we have life that can transmit memory via external chemicals, and we have done studies showing that successive offspring perform tasks quicker than their parentage, so behavior, or memory, or whatever you call it being passed on through reproduction based on the experiences of our ancestors.

And to the person that response that I play to many video games, I digress that I have yet to play a video game that had that sort of premise.

However, I must confess some of my thoughts are probably influenced by my reading of Isaac Asimov, and Heinlein as a teenager.

Anyways, just something I think about now and then.
 

DominionSeraph

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No. All of the facts in the universe cannot be stored in the universe. Even ignoring the "facts regarding symbolic statements of fact" problem (if you know something, the fact that you know it is another thing to be known), we have the problem that you can have facts regarding arbitrarily drawn up relationships -- Like, "how many atoms of hydrogen did Sirius convert to helium between January 3rd, 1912, 14:26:12.00000021 and January 3rd, 1912, 14:26:18.229332332?" "Between February 9th, 1932, 18:12:12.05040092 and December 15th, 1933, 18:12:12.05040092?"
If you have three units of time, you have "The state at time 1." "The state at time 2." The state at time 3." Then, "The difference between time 1 and 2." "The difference between 2 and 3." And, "The difference between 1 and 3." Then you can state the differences backwards. You can do this all the way down to Planck time.
The number itself wouldn't fit in our universe, never mind the actual facts.
 
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SilthDraeth

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No. All of the facts in the universe cannot be stored in the universe. Even ignoring the "facts regarding symbolic statements of fact" problem (if you know something, the fact that you know it is another thing to be known), we have the problem that you can have facts regarding arbitrarily drawn up relationships -- Like, "how many atoms of hydrogen did Sirius convert to helium between January 3rd, 1912, 14:26:12.00000021 and January 3rd, 1912, 14:26:18.229332332?" "Between February 9th, 1932, 18:12:12.05040092 and December 15th, 1933, 18:12:12.05040092?"
If you have three units of time, you have "The state at time 1." "The state at time 2." The state at time 3." Then, "The difference between time 1 and 2." "The difference between 2 and 3." And, "The difference between 1 and 3." Then you can state the differences backwards. You can do this all the way down to Planck time.
The number itself wouldn't fit in our universe, never mind the actual facts.

Nice post.
 

rivan

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Were you stoned when you first thought of this?

Or did you just watch Inception?

Or watch Inception while stoned?