Know Java and have a Bachelor's? CONTACT ME ASAP!!!!

[CurseTheSky]

You can't just pick up a new language on a whim if you don't understand the theory. You can code in any freakin' language you want if you know the theory.

This. There's a difference between knowing how to write code for a certain language (or plethora of languages) and knowing good programming design.

Without knowing the theory behind programming, you can churn out a program that may work, but it certainly isn't going to address the problem in the best possibly way or be easily maintainable. I've watched a number of people come and go in the company that I work for simply because they know how to program, but they don't know how to do it "right."

 

[brianmanahan]

60k to 100k is good if you don't have your clearance. Once you get your clearance if you find the right company you can easily double that.

consulting/contracting or full-time? and how hard is it to get the clearance?

 

[jingramm]

Java? check!
BS degree? CHECK!
Baltimore? GTFO. No thanks.

 

[Patranus]

Without knowing the theory behind programming, you can churn out a program that may work, but it certainly isn't going to address the problem in the best possibly way or be easily maintainable. I've watched a number of people come and go in the company that I work for simply because they know how to program, but they don't know how to do it "right."

I know that a ton of people are going to bitch at what I am about to post but I am going to post it anyways.

Frankly it doesn't matter how the program solves the problem or gets from A to B as long is it does it quickly and you do it cheaply.

If the result is the same it doesn't matter if it is done "right" or through a bunch of hacks.

Results and cost are the only factors that matter 99% of the time.

 

[Svnla]

I hate to agree but I will. Last generation you could get away with being smart and knowing how to code with no degree. Now, you can't get past the resume filters without a degree.

Yup.

At our department and most of our company, even if you are the next Einstein, you will not get pass the first gate to get an interview if you do not have a BS/BA from an accredit college.

Just like the OP said, it is not an "OR" statement, it is a requirement.

 

[thepd7]

so if im an expert java code monkey but don't have a BA i wont get hired? but if im a mediocre java code monkey and have a BA in art i would to the front of the line?

It's the 2010's: yes you need a college degree to make it through the filters. Don't get all butt hurt over something that's not that difficult to get.

Java /Enterprise Edition Developer 2
Requisition ID: 11017081
Business Sector: Electronic Systems
Location: United States-Maryland-Baltimore
US Citizenship Required for this Position: Yes
Relocation Assistance: Relocation assistance will be available
Clearance Type: Secret
Number of Openings: 2
Shift: 1st Shift
Description

Northrop Grumman is looking for Software Engineers with experience in the Java Programming Language and the Java Enterprise Edition (EE) platform. Positions will involve full scale development using an Agile Process to create web service components within an existing Service Oriented Architecture (SOA).
Our technical environment features a fascinating and complex virtualized computing infrastructure with approximately 800 software components of COTS/GOTS, legacy, and newly- developed software; greater than 1,200 Information Exchange Requirements; and HUMINT, IMINT, SIGINT, All Source, MTI, motion imagery, and weather intelligence disciplines and functional domains.

We offer you a work site between Baltimore & Washington, DC (near BWI Airport) away from the gridlock of the Capital Beltway. We offer a highly competitive compensation package, which may include a sign-on bonus. Also enjoy our comprehensive benefits package including a 401(k) with Company match, an additional retirement account funded by the Company, continuing education assistance, flexible work arrangements (including every other Friday off), and other work-life balance programs including emergency back-up child/elder care and College Coach educational counseling services.

Qualifications

Basic Qualifications: Bachelor's degree in Computer Science, Software Engineering, Computer Engineering or related field and 2 years of object oriented software development experience. The ability to obtain a TS/SCI clearance is required, minimum DOD Secret Clearance to start, SCI is preferred.

Preferred Qualifications:
Experience with Java, J2EE, SOA, Web Applications development, XML, WSDL, SOAP (Axis), REST, and design patterns is preferred.

I'd be all over it if I knew Java. I like the mil/aero industry, every other Friday off rocks, compensation sounds solid.

60k to 100k is good if you don't have your clearance. Once you get your clearance if you find the right company you can easily double that.

$200k? Who the hell have you been talking to?

I know that a ton of people are going to bitch at what I am about to post but I am going to post it anyways.

Frankly it doesn't matter how the program solves the problem or gets from A to B as long is it does it quickly and you do it cheaply.

If the result is the same it doesn't matter if it is done "right" or through a bunch of hacks.

Results and cost are the only factors that matter 99% of the time.

lol you have obviously never had to maintain/update code doing anything important.

 

[alkemyst]

Expert software engineer w/o a CS degree hardly happens anymore. Reading Java for dummies doesn't amount to the same thing as the degree.

I have a BSCS, but most of the best programmers I have worked with have no degree at all and many that do quite a few are not CS.

You really get very little programming experience in college, esp when all the cheat sheets go around.

Sadly most coding jobs I have encountered want to pay too little money and use the 'well there are coders overseas doing it for much less'.

I am more of an analyst/developer though. A pure coder needs to have an outline and details of what they are expected to program.

 

[sdifox]

Expert software engineer w/o a CS degree hardly happens anymore. Reading Java for dummies doesn't amount to the same thing as the degree.

CS degree has very little to do with how good a coder you are.

 

[EagleKeeper]

consulting/contracting or full-time? and how hard is it to get the clearance?

clearances are only available from companies that work with the US government and have a need for clearances.

It is not something that you can request from the US Governmetn on your own.

Also, many companies (not all) require clearances to be Active of within 2 years to even get hired if you are mid level or senior. This is because an employee can not have accessibility to classified info until they are cleared. That can take a year or more. Most companies can not have an highly paid employee scratching their rear for that long waiting for clearance and do not have work available that is not classified. They live for classified work - higher justifiable rates.