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"Knock out" game with a happy ending - 65 senior shoots attackers

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spidey07

No Lifer
You've heard of the new game where young people attempt to knock out a stranger and post the video for hilarity on the intarweb? Only this time they attacked a 65 year old man with a means to protect himself.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/weird/Thun-Trail-Shooting-Juveniles-Cyclist-138097778.html

The cyclist was riding on the Thun Trail near the Bertolet Fishing Dock at S First Avenue and Chestnut Street in West Reading, Pa. around 11 a.m. when the minors -- described by the AP as 15- and 16-year-olds -- knocked the man off his bike, police said.

As two of the juveniles attacked the man he pulled out a handgun and shot them, cops said.

One of the boys died at the scene while another was taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound, officials said.
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gevorg said:
I wonder how long will it take until the surviving one sues the victim and wins
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In most states, if you kill somebody in self defense they can't sue or be held civilly liable. Pensylvania's castle doctrine applies outside of your home.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine#Pennsylvania
On Tuesday, June 28, 2011, Pennsylvania (PA) Governor Tom Corbitt (R) signed a bill extending that state's traditional castle doctrine protections to assaults outside the home. The new legislation passed both houses with overwhelming support and expands the state’s castle doctrine and stand-your-ground protections to allow the right to use a gun or other deadly force in self-defense in situations outside a person’s home or business.[28] It applies when "deadly force is immediately necessary to protect [...] against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat".[29]

It explicitly denies a duty to retreat and provides legislative protection from civil actions resulting from the use of deadly force in acts of self-defense. The PA General Assembly found that:
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The Boston Dangler said:
that would be manslaughter. murder implies deadly intent towards your target.
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"Felony murder," as it's called, usually applies to cases where someone (a police officer or innocent bystander) is killed as a result of someone's criminal action. For example, a carjacking that ends in a deadly crash; because the carjacker was committing a crime, he can be charged with murder instead of just manslaughter (even if his intent was never to kill anyone).

I've never heard of felony murder being applied to a case where an accomplice in the crime is the one who was killed. Not sure if it applies. But IANAL.
 
AstroManLuca said:
"Felony murder," as it's called, usually applies to cases where someone (a police officer or innocent bystander) is killed as a result of someone's criminal action. For example, a carjacking that ends in a deadly crash; because the carjacker was committing a crime, he can be charged with murder instead of just manslaughter (even if his intent was never to kill anyone).

I've never heard of felony murder being applied to a case where an accomplice in the crime is the one who was killed. Not sure if it applies. But IANAL.
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Happens all the time actually.
 
spidey07 said:
Happens all the time actually.
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Yep. If you and your buddy grab some rubber ducks (fake guns) and go try to knock over a convenience store, and your buddy get shot and killed by the dude behind the counter, you will almost certainly get charged with felony murder.
 
spidey07 said:
Happens all the time actually.
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highland145 said:
The recent one with the 18 year old mom that killed one of two buglers. The 2nd is getting charged.
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Blackjack200 said:
Yep. If you and your buddy grab some rubber ducks (fake guns) and go try to knock over a convenience store, and your buddy get shot and killed by the dude behind the counter, you will almost certainly get charged with felony murder.
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Interesting, thanks for letting me know.
 
spidey07 said:
You've heard of the new game where young people attempt to knock out a stranger and post the video for hilarity on the intarweb?
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Why do you say it was the knock out game, and not attempted robbery or some such? Wonder if theres a video?!
 
Ganeedi said:
Why do you say it was the knock out game, and not attempted robbery or some such? Wonder if theres a video?!
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Philly has been bad on random assaults on people and the knock out game. They like to target older folks who can't fight back

This guy did. Maybe it will deter future violent attacks.
 
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