Knights Landing package pictures

[dmens]

Posting because I'm biased.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtmarko/2015/03/25/intels-deep-learning-play/

 

[Arachnotronic]

Posting because I'm biased.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtmarko/2015/03/25/intels-deep-learning-play/

Looks like some pretty great stuff!

 

[Ramses]

anyone old enough to keep hearing knots landing when reading that name?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Without the HMC on the package shoot. But its a glimse of the standard future for CPUs and GPUs.

 

[DrMrLordX]

After reading the article, I have two questions:

1). Is this really the first rev. of Xeon Phi that will support wholesale operation of the OS on the Phi alone? I had thought previous versions of Phi would technically be capable of such (with some complications, since the compute device was isolated from the rest of the system on the PCIe bus)

2). Should I take it that Knight's Landing will be using a different socket than LGA2011? It's kind of hard to tell with that heatsink being in the way.

 

[dmens]

After reading the article, I have two questions:

1). Is this really the first rev. of Xeon Phi that will support wholesale operation of the OS on the Phi alone? I had thought previous versions of Phi would technically be capable of such (with some complications, since the compute device was isolated from the rest of the system on the PCIe bus)

2). Should I take it that Knight's Landing will be using a different socket than LGA2011? It's kind of hard to tell with that heatsink being in the way.

1. Yes, this is the first bootable Knights part.
2. Definitely not LGA 2011.

 

[Burpo]

They're bringing sexy back..

 

[Fjodor2001]

Impressive - what a beast!

What's the die area and pin count on this monster? And does it come with a nuclear reactor to power it?

 

[witeken]

And does it come with a nuclear reactor to power it?

No -- because it isn't built on TSMC's 20nm process .

 

[asendra]

No -- because it isn't built on TSMC's 20nm process .

Buuuurrrnnnn

 

[monstercameron]

Without the HMC on the package shoot. But its a glimse of the standard future for CPUs and GPUs.

So the future of CPUs are MOAR COARZ while gpus are less cores?

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

Holy mother of god ...

Intel dominating the HPC market one knight at a time ...

 

[Lepton87]

Kurt Marko that's a very handsome contributor!

 

[Shehriazad]

Not gonna lie....that's a sexy chip.

 

[Idontcare]

Considering what an 18core/36thread xeon goes for, the top-end skus for this chip must be targeting the 5-figure price range.

 

[Burpo]

I don't know about this Gen of Phi, but I was privy to some testing done with the previous version. The server that was on loan (June thru Aug. 2014) was dual E5-2687W Xeons with 2 X 60 core Xeon Phi cards. I was told it was a $30k server.. It wasn't cheap.. I figured the cards at about $13k ea. but that could be off.. i forget how much ram it had, but it still wouldn't do what we needed..

 

[Lepton87]

Considering what an 18core/36thread xeon goes for, the top-end skus for this chip must be targeting the 5-figure price range.

I don't think it is that bad, it's not a better chip than that Xeon, just different. It's the Tesla competitor and the best Tesla K20 with GK210 with 24GB of RAM goes for a hair over 5K, do you think it's so much better that they can charge at least two times as much as an established player in that market?

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

I don't think it is that bad, it's not a better chip than that Xeon, just different. It's the Tesla competitor and the best Tesla K20 with GK210 with 24GB of RAM goes for a hair over 5K, do you think it's so much better that they can charge at least two times as much as an established player in that market?

Absolutely! Well to me at least ...

It's not just a Tesla competitor, it's a Tesla destroyer!

From a programming perspective it's a boon. You get better portability, better tools, and an arguably simpler programming model.

The hardware is impressive too.

It's EVERYTHING that I would've asked for from a many core accelerator ... *wipes tears*

 

[waffleironhead]

I don't know about this Gen of Phi, but I was privy to some testing done with the previous version. The server that was on loan (June thru Aug. 2014) was dual E5-2687W Xeons with 2 X 60 core Xeon Phi cards. I was told it was a $30k server.. It wasn't cheap.. I figured the cards at about $13k ea. but that could be off.. i forget how much ram it had, but it still wouldn't do what we needed..

A 57 core knights corner is only $225 plus shipping. How does that compare to what was in that server?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...e=as2&tag=phoronix-20&linkId=RC3BXGEFWOVCA7QF

 

[soccerballtux]

Buuuurrrnnnn

intels latest node runs quite cool actually

 

[Nothingness]

No -- because it isn't built on TSMC's 20nm process .

Indeed, thanks to Intel magic dust it generates electricity instead of consuming some.

Very impressive beast, can't wait to see it benchmarked by independent spurces.

 

[Idontcare]

I don't think it is that bad, it's not a better chip than that Xeon, just different. It's the Tesla competitor and the best Tesla K20 with GK210 with 24GB of RAM goes for a hair over 5K, do you think it's so much better that they can charge at least two times as much as an established player in that market?

I'm just thinking that the new chip can run the OS directly, does not require the expense of buying another processor that can run the OS, so there is value added right there which goes above and beyond the additional core count and performance boost.

If it wasn't a big deal then Intel would not have made it a standalone bootable CPU and market its features as so. Thus I am thinking there is going to be a price premium over Telsa for such top-end SKUs.

I'm not talking about the cheapest end of the SKUs, am only talking about the top-end.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So the future of CPUs are MOAR COARZ while gpus are less cores?

On package memory.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The fact you dont need the rest of the regular ecosystem with 1-2 Xeon E5s and so on makes a huge difference cost wise.

 

[Burpo]

A 57 core knights corner is only $225 plus shipping. How does that compare to what was in that server?

I just called my friend to find out why it was so expensive..
It's because it was an Intel Grizzly Pass server w/5510P & 7120P included.

He was playing with the new Phi a week ago & said..
"The new Knights Landing is over 5 times faster than its predecessor and uses 1/3 the power." Each tile has an Atom core section = 1 execution unit, 30 EU (essentially 8 x 30 processors) for a total of 240 processors on the die and is only using around 100 watts. He had to boot up firmware for the phi processors prior to booting the machine, but says final product will have those instructions included, and will probably use an adapter to fit LGA 2011 socket. The target for release is 13 teraflops per die, x 2 is 26 teraflops. He says 1 of these can replace 20 servers & has Nvidia shaking in their boots. He is NOT an Intel fanboy either, but says Intel will take over HPC soon..

"We can expect to see 10, 20, or even more cpus on a single board. By 2020 Knights Landing may well be called Checkmate {since their names are Chess move derivatives)."

I don't pretend to know as much about this stuff as some here, but he has written the fastest compression algorithm on the planet, beating Tornado by over 25% and is off to Peru next month to hopefully finalize a deal for his software. He has worked closely with Intel on the project & said.
"They listened to me about adding an out of band read & out of band write instruction set, and cache adjust. It's a monster now, and it's only the beginning"