Knights Landing package pictures

[Shehriazad]

I just called my friend to find out why it was so expensive..
It's because it was an Intel Grizzly Pass server w/5510P & 7120P included.

He was playing with the new Phi a week ago & said..
"The new Knights Landing is over 5 times faster than its predecessor and uses 1/3 the power." Each tile has an Atom core section = 1 execution unit, 30 EU (essentially 8 x 30 processors) for a total of 240 processors on the die and is only using around 100 watts. He had to boot up firmware for the phi processors prior to booting the machine, but says final product will have those instructions included, and will probably use an adapter to fit LGA 2011 socket. The target for release is 13 teraflops per die, x 2 is 26 teraflops. He says 1 of these can replace 20 servers & has Nvidia shaking in their boots. He is NOT an Intel fanboy either, but says Intel will take over HPC soon..

"We can expect to see 10, 20, or even more cpus on a single board. By 2020 Knights Landing may well be called Checkmate, since their names are Chess move derivatives."

I don't pretend to know as much about this stuff as some here, but he has written the fastest compression algorithm on the planet, beating Tornado by over 25% and is off to Peru next month to hopefully finalize a deal for his software. He has worked closely with Intel on the project & said.
"They listened to me about adding an out of band read & out of band write instruction set, and cache adjust. It's a monster now, and it's only the beginning"

But the question is...can it play Minecraft?

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

But the question is...can it play Minecraft?

Yes. It usually wins 80% of the time, as long as the AI neural net is set up, correctly. (Joke).

Or alternatively. It is so powerful, it can run 15,000 minecraft servers, at the same time.
The only problem is. What do you do with the other 239 cores ?

 

[Nothingness]

He was playing with the new Phi a week ago & said..
"The new Knights Landing is over 5 times faster than its predecessor and uses 1/3 the power." Each tile has an Atom core section = 1 execution unit, 30 EU (essentially 8 x 30 processors) for a total of 240 processors on the die and is only using around 100 watts. He had to boot up firmware for the phi processors prior to booting the machine, but says final product will have those instructions included, and will probably use an adapter to fit LGA 2011 socket. The target for release is 13 teraflops per die, x 2 is 26 teraflops. He says 1 of these can replace 20 servers & has Nvidia shaking in their boots.

Most of this looks so obviously wrong, I'm not sure it's even worth correcting. Just look for Intel marketing claims about perf for instance.

He is NOT an Intel fanboy either, but says Intel will take over HPC soon..

Given what I read above, I'm not sure even this part is correct.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Most of this looks so obviously wrong, I'm not sure it's even worth correcting. Just look for Intel marketing claims about perf for instance.

Given what I read above, I'm not sure even this part is correct.

15x the performance per watt all from one node shrink

 

[Burpo]

Most of this looks so obviously wrong, I'm not sure it's even worth correcting. Just look for Intel marketing claims about perf for instance.

Given what I read above, I'm not sure even this part is correct.

I woke him at 4am (forgot about time difference) and I may not have gotten everything right. I do know that he doesn't like Intel, and for his work purposes built a 64 core AMD server. I witnessed a tele-conference where he called 1 intel engineer a "moron". lol He did say he'd call me back today tho & next time I could sit in on a demo thru Team viewer if I wanted.

He's blown away by the new Knights Landing & said "when the world comes to an end, it'll probably be intel's doings"..

This is the company he helped start.. ODEN is his baby..

http://timmes.com/about-us.html

 

[DrMrLordX]

1. Yes, this is the first bootable Knights part.

Huh! Interesting. That's a good move on Intel's part really. You could have a server where every node is just a Phi chip.

2. Definitely not LGA 2011.

Hmm . . . but . . .

and will probably use an adapter to fit LGA 2011 socket.

Okay so let me get this straight.

You use said adapter and plug a Knight's Landing chip straight into an LGA2011 board designed for "normal" Xeon processors if you like? Or go with a board natively designed to run a Phi.

 

[Burpo]

Speculation at this point.. Guess we'll see..

 

[Nothingness]

I woke him at 4am (forgot about time difference) and I may not have gotten everything right. I do know that he doesn't like Intel, and for his work purposes built a 64 core AMD server. I witnessed a tele-conference where he called 1 intel engineer a "moron". lol He did say he'd call me back today tho & next time I could sit in on a demo thru Team viewer if I wanted.

He's blown away by the new Knights Landing & said "when the world comes to an end, it'll probably be intel's doings"..

This is the company he helped start.. ODEN is his baby..

http://timmes.com/about-us.html

Looks nice

I guess you might have misunderstood indeed: as Arachnotronic wrote 15x better perf/W is extremely unlikely. That surely is a beast but 15x better efficiency is not achievable

 

[theeedude]

If one of these will replace 20 servers, and has to be priced to compete with GPUs, that's a lot of Xeon margin Intel is going to lose.

 

[bronxzv]

You use said adapter and plug a Knight's Landing chip straight into an LGA2011 board designed for "normal" Xeon processors if you like? Or go with a board natively designed to run a Phi.

it's clearly not LGA2011 compatible : 6 channels DDR4 and 0 QPI links
based on special boards as shown in several articles (just Google for "Knights Landing")

 

[bronxzv]

This is the company he helped start.. ODEN is his baby..

http://timmes.com/about-us.html

wow, the guy who broke the CNDA is probably not so glad that you expose publicly his company name, I hope for them you just made the story up

 

[ShintaiDK]

If one of these will replace 20 servers, and has to be priced to compete with GPUs, that's a lot of Xeon margin Intel is going to lose.

They will not replace 20 xeon based servers. At best it could replace a 5-10 atom based servers. But its mainly for hpc.

 

[bronxzv]

The target for release is 13 teraflops per die, x 2 is 26 teraflops.

KNL target is 3 TFlops (*theoretical* DP peak) when KNC is 1 TFlops (actual DP)

also note that KNL near memory bandwith per flop is a lot less than KNC

 

[TechFan1]

http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/i...landing-can-run-240-threads/93641.fullarticle

Here is an article with a better description. 240 threads not cores. 30 tiles with 2 pairs of cores each, and each core has four way hyper threading.

 

[bronxzv]

They will not replace 20 xeon based servers. At best it could replace a 5-10 atom based servers. But its mainly for hpc.

indeed, there is a telling example at slide 24 of this presentation:

https://software.intel.com/sites/de...ts-Corner-is-your-path-to-Knights-Landing.pdf

this is for KNC but I'll expect the same kind of comparisons for KNL vs. SKX

also SKX will feature AVX-512BW which KNL is lacking, I'm quite sure it's more important for data compression than FLOPs

 

[Burpo]

Knights Landing has AVX 512 as seen in the .pdf you linked

 

[DrMrLordX]

it's clearly not LGA2011 compatible : 6 channels DDR4 and 0 QPI links
based on special boards as shown in several articles (just Google for "Knights Landing")

Well, in theory the adapter could solve all those problems, albeit at a pretty ugly performance penalty. You'd be halving the available memory channels, and then there's the QPI link issue. Doesn't seem like it'd be worth the trouble.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Knights Landing has AVX 512 as seen in the .pdf you linked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVX-512

 

[Burpo]

Ahh. missed the BW..

 

[EightySix Four]

The hosting opportunities with these and docker are going to be outstanding.

 

[PPB]

Anyone else thinking that this new 2D mesh will be also used in the new SKL uarch?

 

[NTMBK]

Anyone else thinking that this new 2D mesh will be also used in the new SKL uarch?

I definitely expect it on the Xeon parts (better scaling to high core counts than ringbus), maybe not on the consumer parts. Its rumored that the consumer version uses a slightly different core design (no AVX-512 support), so it may use a different fabric topology too.

 

[bronxzv]

Well, in theory the adapter could solve all those problems

I don't think so, when was the last time we have seen an adapter for an high-end CPU ?

think to signal integrity, power delivery (incl. power for 16 GB HMC), physical layout (the package will be above some DIM slots in existing mobos with even poorer signaling), routing of optional Omni-Path links,...

all of this for compatibility only with single socket mobos ?

someone simply made up that adapter story for some reason

 

[Madpacket]

What a monster CPU. How big is the HPC market anyway?

 

[theeedude]

They will not replace 20 xeon based servers. At best it could replace a 5-10 atom based servers. But its mainly for hpc.

Intel sells a lot of Xeons into the HPC market.
http://www.hpcwire.com/2014/09/08/intel-haswell-xeon-e5s-aimed-squarely-hpc/
HPC market alone is not enough to amortize the R&D costs of Larrabee though. They need to get into cloud computing sockets too, and those are Xeon dominated now too.