[Kitguru ] AMD’s partners cannot get enough Radeon R9 Fury graphics cards –

[Stuka87]

Yep, and Nvidia is definitely having a hard time getting GDDR5. Oh, wait.

GDDR5 (LIke GDDR3 and HBM) are open standards. The difference is GDD5 is old technology now, and is produced by many companies. HBM is made by a single company and is very new, so supply is limited. HBM2 won't be available until next year. And it would not be surprising if part of the agreement between AMD and Hynix is that AMD gets the majority of parts for X time period.

AMD had GDDR5 GPU's out for over a year before nVidia was able to release any.

 

[Sabrewings]

GDDR5 (LIke GDDR3 and HBM) are open standards. The difference is GDD5 is old technology now, and is produced by many companies. HBM is made by a single company and is very new, so supply is limited. HBM2 won't be available until next year. And it would not be surprising if part of the agreement between AMD and Hynix is that AMD gets the majority of parts for X time period.

AMD had GDDR5 GPU's out for over a year before nVidia was able to release any.

And AMD is going to have HBM for a year before Nvidia. If it's an open standard other companies will be jumping on it to produce and cash in. We'll see when (if) Nvidia updates their road map.

 

[railven]

I don't know how accurate this page is, but there is definitely a supply issue. No tip toe arounding it. If I had to guess, it isn't at TSMC issue either.

[Link time frames for below: 07/14/15 @ 1315 EST -05:00, subject to change]
Fury X:
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/amd/r9furyx/

Some products have been in pre-order status since the cards launched. Some haven't had stock replenished since the launch and and only one shows sales within a weeks period They sell fast, which implies there is demand a demand for them.

Then you see this:
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx980ti/

A card that launched merely 3 weeks prior and has had various models come in and out of stock with more than a dozen showing sales within the last 24 hrs.

So if TSMC can keep Nvidia going, I would assume they could do the same for AMD (both are similar sized dies, correct?) If I had to guess the water pump issue is bigger than expected and cards are being redirected to cover RMAs. Or perhaps it is an HBM supply issue.

From posters from outside the US, it seems stock is more plentiful than the US, which tells me that the demand for the actual product isn't too high, more so supply can't satisfy the original demand let alone any surplus. (Reminds me of Xbone, was selling out like hotcakes in the US while sitting on shelves world wide. Xbox fans said this what good until numbers showed 2:1 deficit in the US and like 5:1 world wide. MSFT eventually redirected more units to the US, where they then sat on shelves.)

Either way, where are the Fury cards? Still not on Newegg/Amazon?

 

[darkserith]

I don't know how accurate this page is, but there is definitely a supply issue. No tip toe arounding it. If I had to guess, it isn't at TSMC issue either.

[Link time frames for below: 07/14/15 @ 1315 EST -05:00, subject to change]
Fury X:
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/amd/r9furyx/

Some products have been in pre-order status since the cards launched. Some haven't had stock replenished since the launch and and only one shows sales within a weeks period They sell fast, which implies there is demand a demand for them.

Then you see this:
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx980ti/

A card that launched merely 3 weeks prior and has had various models come in and out of stock with more than a dozen showing sales within the last 24 hrs.

So if TSMC can keep Nvidia going, I would assume they could do the same for AMD (both are similar sized dies, correct?) If I had to guess the water pump issue is bigger than expected and cards are being redirected to cover RMAs. Or perhaps it is an HBM supply issue.

From posters from outside the US, it seems stock is more plentiful than the US, which tells me that the demand for the actual product isn't too high, more so supply can't satisfy the original demand let alone any surplus. (Reminds me of Xbone, was selling out like hotcakes in the US while sitting on shelves world wide. Xbox fans said this what good until numbers showed 2:1 deficit in the US and like 5:1 world wide. MSFT eventually redirected more units to the US, where they then sat on shelves.)

Either way, where are the Fury cards? Still not on Newegg/Amazon?

r9 fury available at newegg now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202156

just ordered mine! i know it will be a lot quieter than my fury x!

 

[amenx]

So if TSMC can keep Nvidia going, I would assume they could do the same for AMD (both are similar sized dies, correct?) If I had to guess the water pump issue is bigger than expected and cards are being redirected to cover RMAs. Or perhaps it is an HBM supply issue.

From OP:

According to the report, yields of AMD’s code-named “Fiji” graphics processing unit are rather low. Insufficient yields are not something surprising: with 8.9 billion transistors inside, the “Fiji” is the most complex chip ever produced. While the IC [integrated circuit] is not as large as Nvidia Corp.’s GM200, it is considerably harder to produce because of higher transistor density. Moreover, since “Fiji” uses all-new high-bandwidth memory (HBM) as well as a special interposer to connect memory to the GPU, testing and packaging process of the chip is extremely complex.

 

[railven]

From OP:

Yeah, but from my understanding, Fiji isn't all made by TSMC. I believe they only make the Chip, Hynix makes the HBM, and someone makes the interposer - shoot I don't even know who does final assembly.

TSMC can be providing chips plentiful, it could be one of the other 2 causing the yield issues.

 

[railven]

r9 fury available at newegg now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202156

just ordered mine! i know it will be a lot quieter than my fury x!

<snip>

Seriously, WTF!?

Screen shots I just took:

Left Side - Fury doesn't show up in the search options.
Right Side - Manually searching for "Fury" and clicking Video Cards only shows Fury X, how did you find Fury?

Can you link me to the page? [EDIT: Derp, saw your link. Thanks]

 

[darkserith]

Seriously, WTF!?

Screen shots I just took:

Left Side - Fury doesn't show up in the search options.
Right Side - Manually searching for "Fury" and clicking Video Cards only shows Fury X, how did you find Fury?

Can you link me to the page? [EDIT: Derp, saw your link. Thanks]

yeah its really hard to find it.

someone from the amd subreddit on reddit.com gave me the link. i couldn't find it on newegg before either.

 

[ultimatebob]

Maybe AMD is holding back shipment of more Fury X cards until they are sure that the pump whine issue is fixed?

 

[railven]

yeah its really hard to find it.

someone from the amd subreddit on reddit.com gave me the link. i couldn't find it on newegg before either.

AMD should flog Newegg haha.

 

[n0x1ous]

AMD should flog Newegg haha.

i found it by searching "r9 fury" it came up with the regular sapphire fury and then all the x's

 

[railven]

i found it by searching "r9 fury" it came up with the regular sapphire fury and then all the x's

As God as my witness, it still doesn't show up for me. Is my Nvidia GPU blocking it from my searches? Haha.

 

[darkserith]

As God as my witness, it still doesn't show up for me. Is my Nvidia GPU blocking it from my searches? Haha.

yeah it doesn't work in my searches either. only if i go to this direct link then it works:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202156

although it is available the the main video card section:
http://www.newegg.com/Video-Cards-Video-Devices/Category/ID-38

 

[n0x1ous]

[/URL][/IMG]

 

[railven]

Nope, but check this out:

Notice it says 1-17 items, I changed the sort to Best Rating, now it's 1-18 and look who pops up:

 

[n0x1ous]

they seem to always have quirks with searching and listing when a new product comes up. Give it a couple days and they'll have a dedicted r9 category for it im sure.

 

[MentalIlness]

they seem to always have quirks with searching and listing when a new product comes up. Give it a couple days and they'll have a dedicted r9 category for it im sure.

 

[n0x1ous]

well that was quick!

 

[darkserith]

hm..still hasnt sold out.

the fury x sold out in like 20 minutes.

but this Fury has been in stock well over an hour. either supply is great or demand is low O_O

 

[Kenmitch]

And AMD is going to have HBM for a year before Nvidia. If it's an open standard other companies will be jumping on it to produce and cash in. We'll see when (if) Nvidia updates their road map.

Rumor says it's because AMD'S HBM patents were awarded that Volta was quietly cancelled.

Some shown here.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week11/OG/html/1412-3/US08984368-20150317.html

Would imagine they busted an Apple move just in case.

Supply I'm still thinking cooler issue on Fury X.

 

[geoxile]

http://techreport.com/review/28294/amd-high-bandwidth-memory-explained

Making this sort of innovation happen was a broadly collaborative effort. AMD did much of the initial the heavy lifting, designing the interconnects, interposer, and the new DRAM type. Hynix partnered with AMD to produce the DRAM, and UMC manufactured the first interposers. JEDEC, the standards body charged with blessing new memory types, gave HBM the industry's blessing, which means this memory type should be widely supported by various interested firms.

AMD created HBM. You can find patents in public records online, but it'll take some searching to find.

 

[Sabrewings]

Rumor says it's because AMD'S HBM patents were awarded that Volta was quietly cancelled.

Some shown here.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week11/OG/html/1412-3/US08984368-20150317.html

Would imagine they busted an Apple move just in case.

Supply I'm still thinking cooler issue on Fury X.

That's not for HBM. It talks about reliability and ECC. Sounds like a style of memory for high reliability applications. It looks similar to HBM in logical diagram only.

Since Nvidia still touts Pascal as having HBM2, it doesn't make sense that is what caused Volta to push back a year (not cancelled).

 

[tviceman]

So let me get this straight. When the bitcoin craze was at it's full height, AMD couldn't deliver because........???? When Nvidia came out with Titan AMD couldn't deliver because.......???? Now that AMD is competitive again at the high end on most metrics they can't deliver because.......????

 

[tviceman]

Rumor says it's because AMD'S HBM patents were awarded that Volta was quietly cancelled.

Interesting if it were true, although that would mean HBM2 would still likely be covered under the same patents and Nvidia would be up a creek. Wasn't HBM co-developed? How does that affect patents? Anyways, perhaps Volta was DELAYED (it's not canceled) because a combination of the process tech slow down and features Nvidia wanted to implement would not be able to coincide.

I'm thinking option 2.

 

[Hitman928]

That's not for HBM. It talks about reliability and ECC. Sounds like a style of memory for high reliability applications. It looks similar to HBM in logical diagram only.

Since Nvidia still touts Pascal as having HBM2, it doesn't make sense that is what caused Volta to push back a year (not cancelled).

It looks to me like it is for the memory controller used with HBM although it is written for a more general application as well. From the patent:

An integrated circuit, comprising: a memory having an address space; and a memory controller coupled to said memory

5. The integrated circuit of claim 1, wherein: said memory comprises a plurality of memory chips arranged in a memory chip stack.

FIG. 1 illustrates a perspective view of a first multi-chip module implementing physical memory according to some embodiments. Multi-chip module 100 generally includes a multi-core processor chip 120 and a memory chip stack