Kissinger warns of possible "war of civilizations"

[MadRat]

So basically terrorists are using the corporate model to wage war? Sounds like they give terrar-reests too much credit.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: cmptrgeik
war is inevitable. History proves that we will eventually live in a world where every country has a nuclear weapon and we should accept the fact that there is nothing we can do to stop it. we need to focus our energy on empowering the moderates because as long as there are trust fund countries with their oil riches that don't need their citizens, we will have the problems we are having...

Not true at all. Not every country wants Nuclear weapons. Read about Ukraine.

Ukraine - signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine inherited about 5,000 nuclear weapons when it became independent from the USSR in 1991, making its nuclear arsenal the third-largest in the world.[25] By 1996, Ukraine had voluntarily disposed of all nuclear weapons within its territory, transferring them to Russia

One thing you have to understand about Iran and Nuclear weapons. There are some Muslims who believe that they can bring about the end of the world on their own. If they can kill enough people this will bring the rebirth of the twelfth Imam, or something like that.

Imagine Pat Robertson telling Bush that if he launches all his nukes at the middle east Jesus will come back and the rapture will begin.
And yet there seems to be some Muslims who believe this idea. Also know that many Muslims believe that killing non-believers will get them into heaven, a big problem if they have nukes. How many virgins do you get if you Nuke Tel Aviv?

Can we afford to let these people get nukes? Are you willing to put the lives of 50,000+ people at risk ? I am not, and think we need to do everything we can to stop these rouge and outlaw states from getting Nukes.

 

[5to1baby1in5]

Originally posted by: cmptrgeik
war is inevitable. History proves that we will eventually live in a world where every World has a nuclear arsenal and we should accept the fact that there is nothing we can do to stop it except every other member of the Lansrad obliterating you if you use nukes against another member of the Lansrad. we need to focus our energy on empowering the lesser houses of the Lansrad as long as there is the spacing Guild with their monopoly on space travel that don't need their citizens, we will have the problems we are having...

This is just like reading Dune except Lansrad = UN, Oil = Spice, GWB = Emporer Shaddam Corrino IV, (?) = Duke Paul Atreides (Doesn't seem to exist in this version)

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: cmptrgeik
war is inevitable. History proves that we will eventually live in a world where every country has a nuclear weapon and we should accept the fact that there is nothing we can do to stop it. we need to focus our energy on empowering the moderates because as long as there are trust fund countries with their oil riches that don't need their citizens, we will have the problems we are having...

Not true at all. Not every country wants Nuclear weapons. Read about Ukraine.

Ukraine - signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine inherited about 5,000 nuclear weapons when it became independent from the USSR in 1991, making its nuclear arsenal the third-largest in the world.[25] By 1996, Ukraine had voluntarily disposed of all nuclear weapons within its territory, transferring them to Russia

One thing you have to understand about Iran and Nuclear weapons. There are some Muslims who believe that they can bring about the end of the world on their own. If they can kill enough people this will bring the rebirth of the twelfth Imam, or something like that.

Imagine Pat Robertson telling Bush that if he launches all his nukes at the middle east Jesus will come back and the rapture will begin.
And yet there seems to be some Muslims who believe this idea. Also know that many Muslims believe that killing non-believers will get them into heaven, a big problem if they have nukes. How many virgins do you get if you Nuke Tel Aviv?

Can we afford to let these people get nukes? Are you willing to put the lives of 50,000+ people at risk ? I am not, and think we need to do everything we can to stop these rouge and outlaw states from getting Nukes.

One interesting line of thought is Iran wants a nuclear weapon to destroy holy sites in Israel. Doing this, they believe will render Christianity and Jewish faiths wrong as their scriptures can not be fufilled.

 

[MadRat]

My temple is immune to nukes.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Interesting, I wonder how many people actually read what Kissinger was really saying. He wasn't so much warning that we're going to face a war of civilizations and that we should unite to fight it as he is arguing that if we DON'T unite to come up with some good solution we WILL face a war of civilizations. In other words, ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away is not a good idea, and neither are actions that dimish the standing of moderates in the Muslim world and make it that much harder for them to take a stand. I really see Kissinger's idea as a condemnation of both the "head in the sand" policy and the George W. Bush, "YEEEHAAAW" war-as-the-first-step policy. And he's right, and for some reason he's the only person really making a case for this kind of reasonable approach.

If the Dems were smart (and they are not) they would run on this kind of national security platform. I think a lot of people are getting sick of the right-wing policies of fighting terrorism, but they are worried that the only alternative is to do nothing about the problems posed by radical extremists, which DO actually exist, all the political FUD aside.

What past presidents before GWB don`t have tot ake any of the blame...your too funny dude

Your wonton destruction of the English language aside, what I THINK you're saying is whether or not I put the blame for this just on GWB...and the answer is obviously that I don't. I didn't name any other names, but I assumed it would be obvious who the "head in the sand" policy refers to... And there is a lot more blame to go around, from our 80s Presidents who figured funding terrorists was just a super idea up through GWB and his failure to engage his brain. I am not a big fan of government leaders as a whole, idiots like GWB are the inevitable end result when you have popular elections amoung the undereducated and overly self-impressed masses. Not that a better system exists, but that doesn't make this one any less ******.