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Kingston 3200 Valueram XP-M 2400+ --Can't go above 190FSB

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Zrl201

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(I posted this before but this time I tried many different methods before I decided to post again)

Abit NF7-s Rev. 2.0 Newest bios
XP-M 2400+
1GB Kingston pc3200 dual channel
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
2 HDD 2 opticals
Thermaltake Silent Boost HSF
Antec Smartblue 350W


My bios does not recognize my cpu as an athlon mobile. defaults to 600 mhz at 100x6.

I tested it out and the highest I can go is 190x11.5 = ~2.2 ghz @ 1.6V (cpuz says my motherboard is running the ram at 191.7 FSB - seems like my motherboard is a little too conservative with the FSB)

I tried putting it at 191, it refused to post. I had to clear CMOS.
I tried upping the ram voltage up to 2.7V - refuse to post
I tried setting the ram to turbo (think the setting for turbo is 8-2-2-2?) - refused to post
Anything above 190 - it refuses to post (clear cmos again!)

I'm currently running the cpu @ 1.6V because I discovered that while it was runnig at 1.575V, my machine tend to freeze after 45 minutes.

Any suggestions on what else I can do? I hate to keep clearing the cmos and setting up everything again but it's making mem ad that I can't get to 400FSB. I brought pc3200 ram DDr400 and I expect it to run at that much, not at 380mhz.

I'm hoping that any of you fellow Kingston Ram users can tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance. I'm sorry for keep asking questions but I like a big round number at 11x200 (and continue from that point on)

also, a higher multiper = anything bad with that? I know FSB is important but how important is a low/high multipler?
 
I mean 2.2 Ghz on 1.6 V (2197 mhz to be exact and it can probably do it at 1.575V too) is great for my first time overclocking anything but I paid for ddr400 and I expect FSB 400 Ram.

That is the dealhunter spirit 😀
 
i don't think i can be of much help, but i am coming to believe that NF7-S's are very tempermental....about....everything.
 
Did you try running it at 200x8 or something, to eliminate the possibility that the proc is just a bad overclocker?
 
I have the NF7-S and the 2400+ M, and currently i'm running at 11x200 at 1.65v on my htpc. I tried 12 x 185, 12.5 x 180 and it will reset while win xp is loading. I also turned cpu interface off ( what is this feature for?). I only using Kingston Valuram though....
 
If your kingston ram is rated at ddr400, you should be able to do fsb of 200.
My first guess is your PSU. I had a 350sl antec that came in an 835 series II case that was limiting my OC, after replacing it w/ 480 truepower, I was abl to go past 200 fsb (my limit is about 217, not sure the excat bottleneck source: its either the board or axp chip)
 
Just in case the ram may be at fault, you can test by running your PC with one stick at a time, doing stability tests for each stick alone 🙂
 
Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
Originally posted by: jagec
Did you try running it at 200x8 or something, to eliminate the possibility that the proc is just a bad overclocker?
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Going to try that when I get home. Thank you all for the suggestions.
hmm, I do believe it is my antec getting in the way. 350 watts should be enough and it does feel very cool when I touch it unlike some of my past Allied PSU
 
What timings did you use on the ram? Setting the ram to turbo obviously won't work cuz Valueram isn't made for 2-2-2 timings. I suggest bumping ram voltage to 2.7 and relax timings to 3-4-4-10 and try it @ 200x10 like other people have said. Use programs like Speedfan to monitor the fluctuation of the voltage rails. Do ignore the initial readings though, they are inaccurate sometimes.
 
Ok. I tried upping the voltage to 2.7 - Didn't post

I upped the voltage to 1.7 - didn't post

Anything above 190 - it refuses to post.

I'm thinking it's my Antec power supply. AbitEQ is showing my -12V as -12.9V. Is that a problem? Every other reading on my psu is near the stated reading.

This is very frustrating. I keep clearing the CMOS because it refuses to post even if I shut it down after a screwup OCing attempt.


BTW: on an unrelated note, my 4.1 creative inspire speakers is not working well with my board. The two back speakers are muted. There are no sounds coming from them. I tried using them in my old soundcard and they worked fine. Everything is correctly plugged in but it the back right and back left speakers have no sound. The fronty two and the subwoofer works fine. My board or just lousy speakers?
 
Before I left for work this morning, I also tried a FSB x 200 and a multplier of 8 - no post

Then I tried 200x 9 = 1.8 GHZ or stated specs - no post

I hate to get a new PSU since my smartblue cost me like 70 dollars couple of months ago. Whenever I tocuh it, it feels cool to the touch and the air blowing out is pretty cool.

Is the extra 20 mhz worth getting a new psu to test it out? I know Kingston has a lifetime warranty so I'll probably send it back later (maybe a yr later 🙂 - I hate to be without my desktop for a while - too many things to do on it)
 
do a L12 mod on your cpu to get high FSB speeds. Also, for your speakers, are you sure you have the rear speaks enabled in the bios?? Otherwise, the mic and sound in ports are for the mic and sound in - not for the center/rear.. i don't have this board yet nut i think this is correct..
 
Originally posted by: Zrl201
Ok. I tried upping the voltage to 2.7 - Didn't post

I upped the voltage to 1.7 - didn't post

Anything above 190 - it refuses to post.

I'm thinking it's my Antec power supply. AbitEQ is showing my -12V as -12.9V. Is that a problem? Every other reading on my psu is near the stated reading.

This is very frustrating. I keep clearing the CMOS because it refuses to post even if I shut it down after a screwup OCing attempt.


BTW: on an unrelated note, my 4.1 creative inspire speakers is not working well with my board. The two back speakers are muted. There are no sounds coming from them. I tried using them in my old soundcard and they worked fine. Everything is correctly plugged in but it the back right and back left speakers have no sound. The fronty two and the subwoofer works fine. My board or just lousy speakers?
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as for the unrelated issue...

i found that i had to switch my plugs.

i have the logitech 6.1 640's... and had to switch the orange and black plugs into the mobo and that fixed the problem.

try that... i dunno how many plugs you have but try switching them around.
 
I will try playing around with the speakers but it's not a big deal.

My FSB is a big deal. That missing extra 20 FSB mhz is making me mad. I tried 200 x8 to underclock it and it still refuses to post.

I was hoping some kingston ram user can tell me what their ram settings are so I can get a rough idea.
 
hmm so no one else is experiencing problems with their ram.

so what can be the problem - I know my cpu is not be a bad overclocker as it is at 2.2ghz @1.575V.

I tried undcerclokcing it with 200 FSB and it still refuses to boot.
 
I can't believe that 10 mbz fsb is so hard to get.

I'm not even sure what the problem is. Thing just refuse to post if I go above 190FSB (cpuz even say it running the ram at 191.1mhz so I know it can do better)

Looks like it is a board problem? I hate to rip everything apart and my laptop is currently in the process of being sold so I'll have no computer to use :-(

The Ram is in Dimm 3 and Dimm2 as suggested by Abit so it's dual channel but it sholudn't be a problem.

Any other setting that I overlooked?
 
Whoa.. I would NOT do any mod at this moment as you are asking for hard times in your RMA (if you need to do one). Are you sure the board itself is capable of FSB200? I mean I know the NF7-S V2 is rated for it, but to be honest it sounds like you might have a bad board. If your PSU is running with all of the voltage railes (+3.3, +5 and +12) at or near those numbers then your PSU is liekly not the problem. A Smart 350 should not be a problem in this case anyways. You are running a bit of stuff in there but still you are stating that the rails are pretty dead on.

I have had kingston valueram 3200 in a system (roughly same setup as yours [mobo, PSU, RAM, etc]) and it ran 200FSB no problem. I believe someone16 asked you to make sure the ram timing are set to 3-3-3-10 (I would suggest 3-4-4-11 actually, as I am certain that is what the SPD recommends). Did you try that? Also, I believe CPU Interface and CPU Disconnect Function should be enabled for overclocking as these mess around with various things. If you have them disabled then that may actually limit you. Also, run the RAM in single channel mode (Slots 1 and 2). This can sometimes be a factor, though I agree it should not be. Did you try running with just 1 chip?

I would start from a fresh CMOS and slowly change/test things. 1 at a time preferably. That way you know when you make x change it has y impact.

Start with the following:
FSB = 166
CPU Mult: 10
CPU Interface Enabled
CPU Voltage 1.7v
RAM Voltage 2.5v (what the stock is supposed to be for the Ram)
RAM Timings (set to SPD or to Expert and force to 3-4-4-11 if SPD does not do this automatically)

If that boots then change FSB to 200 and give it a whirl. If it doesn't POST (like you just get lots of long/short beeps) consult the Abit site on what type of issue your beeps indicate. Personally it sounds like you have a motherboard issue but it could also be a CPU issue.

Oh, if you want to be certain it is not a PSU issue, disconnect the spare HD and the opticals. Then test that out as well. Best of luck! :beer:🙂
 
the L12 mod is done on the CPU. Because the CPU is made for 133 FSB, it's harder to get it to run at 200 fsb. The theory is that the latency of something relating to the cpu is lower. People don't know exactly why it works, but it works especially on the nf7-s motherboards. By doing the mod, people have gained 10-20 mhz fsb more than before doing it. I didn't really readinot how the L12 mod is done, but i don't think you need to phyically cut any briges or anything.. I think all you need are a few wires placed on the motherboard socket to short a few bridges.. that's all... Also, if you read abit's website, here are some more recommendations:

Could be many reasons for that... Mainly it is that if u are running single channel and have the memory at slot 3... (change the slot to dimm1) and you will gain better results (in most cases)
Also there is a setting called "PCI ENHANCE PERFORMANCE".. set it to disable to gain more stability...
Then again it can be too tight memory timings, maybe too low chipset or vmem voltage.. Your FSB/Mem ratio can also affect this... Try different setting.. like 3/3, 4/4, 5/5, 6/6 and see whats best for you...
And last, a good chipset cooler and a cooler to southbride will help u to gain even better results.. and secondly is the mosfets that also needs cooling for a high oc...
Could also be a bad P.S.U
 
Yes all of those will help in the big overclock but he is just going for 200. I agree if he is heading for higher FSB numbers then those things need to be done but not for 200. If he can't even hit the basics then voiding his warantee on the CPU and mobo is not going to help his cause much. Lets get the basics squared away then begin on the moding of the cpu and the upping of the chipset/mem voltage and the cooling of the mosfets etc. (Hehe, I sound like Arnold Schwarzenegger! 😉)

Michael.
 
no, that's abit's recommendation to get it to work at 200 fsb. Also, the motherboard wasn't made to be used with mobile bartons with the lower latancy, the L12 mod will help with this and it affects mostly this motherboard model. And as i said before, i don't think you need to void any warrenty, just stick in a few wires on the socket (no soldiering)..
 
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