Kindle Fire or Nook Tablet

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ipadaltkc

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Rumor has it that you can install the Go Launcher now for the tablet fire[/URL] and it lifts restrictions on installing 3rd party apps. Does anyone know or heard if this applies to all 3rd party apps or has anyone had any success with Go Launcher so far?

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AstroManLuca

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So far, the only decent third party browser I've been able to install from the Market is Opera Mini. It's okay, but I'd really love Dolphin HD, but from the market it says incompatible, therefore no download link. (Unfortunately, it's hit and miss with a lot of apps).

In the first screen shots of a rooted NT, an icon on the desktop was Dolphin. I'm wondering- did they possibly side-load it, rather than direct from the Market?

It looks like you got Dolphin sideloaded, but here are a few more tips:

- There's a thread over at the XDA Nook Tablet forums (in the "Themes and Apps" section) with download links to many useful apps. You can get them straight from the browser.
- My preferred method for sideloading any apps that I couldn't find online has been to copy them to my phone's SD card using a free app called Appsaver, then upload the apks to my dropbox. I can then download them through the tablet. Email works too although it might be troublesome for larger apps. Obviously this requires you to have an Android phone as well.

Another minor issue- widgets on the GoLauncher desktop all work fine, but after a reboot many of them come back blank, saying "Error loading widget". Luckily, this isn't with all widgets, and I've found all I need that don't suffer this problem. I'm not sure if it's a specific GoLauncher problem, or a general issue with the device being rooted. I'll try ADW or LauncherPro and see if those have the same issues.

I've had the same problem. Tried installing LauncherPro but it has an issue where it force closes whenever I try to change the dock shortcuts, and that's even more annoying. So far I've been living without widgets but I hope that's temporary, I really want to use some of this massive screen space I have. Go Launcher also won't let you add shortcuts - if you use Apps Organizer or Folder Organizer, you'll have to add those as widgets. Otherwise you can use AnyCut to make shortcuts.

Bought a 32GB MicroSD card- just a class 4. I'm wondering if it makes any difference the class of SD card with the Nook? Movies (using MX Video player) photos and files all seem to load perfectly speedy. I haven't been able to find any stats on the this, but I'm guessing the Nook must have some sort of speed cut-off where it wouldn't make any noticeable difference with say a class 6 or class 10 SD card.

Yeah I don't really know. My wife got her tablet Saturday night and I did what I could that evening without an SD card. It's really necessary to have one even if you don't take a whole lot of media with you - without the card, I couldn't download any Amazon apps and I could only sideload apps through the default browser (since Dolphin and Opera both require you to have an SD card in order to download anything). And obviously no dropbox.

I just picked up a 4GB for each of us when we got mine Sunday morning and it's fine. Like I said, we don't carry tons of music or movies around so it doesn't make any difference, we just want to be able to use all our apps and not be hindered.

One thing I found out - DO NOT move apps to your SD card. It messes with them. Several of them stopped working or disappeared entirely when I did that. Only solution was to fully uninstall them and reinstall.

I'm extremely satisfied with this choice vs. the Fire. This thing just looks, feels and performs solid- nothing like the cheaper level of Android tablets I've seen. About the only thing better would be a total ROM replacement, but enough works perfectly and performance is speedy to where it's definitely good enough as-is.

I'm tempted to keep it and get my wife something else for Christmas... but nah, I'm giving it to her.

Hell yeah. I couldn't even last 24 hours of my wife getting one before I had to get one myself. So tempted to drop the extra $150 on the Transformer, but nah. The Nook Tablet is an outstanding deal and I'm very happy I got it.
 

Zaap

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- There's a thread over at the XDA Nook Tablet forums (in the "Themes and Apps" section) with download links to many useful apps. You can get them straight from the browser.
- My preferred method for sideloading any apps that I couldn't find online has been to copy them to my phone's SD card using a free app called Appsaver, then upload the apks to my dropbox. I can then download them through the tablet. Email works too although it might be troublesome for larger apps. Obviously this requires you to have an Android phone as well.
Thanks, I saw that thread too and grabbed a few apps from it.

*slaps forehead* I've had Dropbox on my NT for days and yet I wouldn't have thought of your much better transfer method than constantly swapping the SD card! That's great advice, thanks.

I've had the same problem.
I think I stumbled onto a solution for widgets- at least its worked for me. I applied the 160 dpi screen res fix detailed here. I was attempting the fix where more apps show up as compatible in the market- it didn't work for that, but right after I rebooted the first time with this I noticed all my widgets were fine. Ever since, no problem. So I'm guessing it may be a problem with the NT's oddball dpi settings.

Another solution I read about on xda was to get rid of HomeCatcher. I still use HC though, and all widgets work.

Thanks for the warning about not moving apps to the SD card.

Sounds like you're enjoying your NT as much as I am. This has definitely made me decide I want a tablet for myself. I'm tempted by the idea of the transformer as well- not sure yet though.
 

MagickMan

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Nook Tablet. My neighbor bought a Fire and I played around with it a lot this evening. It's pretty damned unimpressive, even at $200. The NT is a better tablet, hands down.
 

dfuze

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I tried out my fathers Fire over the Thanksgiving weekend and while it ran nicely, I didn't like holding it. With the entire top being the glass, it felt like my hands were always on the screen, whereas the NT has the plastic bezel. It also felt a little slippery, for lack of a better term, similar to holding my 3GS without a case on it. I grabbed a NT a couple days ago and much prefer the NT to the Fire.
 

AstroManLuca

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Only way I could stand to ditch HomeCatcher would be to figure out how to disable the N button entirely. I'll have to try the DPI fix - I actually found some apps in the market that let you change it without having to manually edit the build.prop file.
 

AstroManLuca

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Hmm, so now I'm strongly considering returning the Nook Tablet I bought last weekend and getting a Kindle Fire instead. Losing half the RAM would suck, but I'd get $50 back, and the Tablet is apparently totally un-hackable outside of getting root access and sideloading. B&N have done their best at completely locking it down - not only is the bootloader signed, but they also blocked kexec, meaning no custom kernels either (this was the method used to get custom kernels on certain locked-down Motorola phones).

Lack of storage space doesn't bother me. The only concern I have is smoothness and responsiveness of the device. With less RAM than the Nook Tablet and widespread reports of poor touch input recognition, I just don't know. But something tells me those things will be fixed eventually thanks to the openness of the device.
 

ipadaltkc

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Has anyone heard if you can integrate the I-pad or Tablet Fire with your TV? Another words can you use it kind of like a TV controller so to speak…I know you can do some programming with these devices I just don't know what the limitations are and would like to know before buying one.

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Hmm, so now I'm strongly considering returning the Nook Tablet I bought last weekend and getting a Kindle Fire instead. Losing half the RAM would suck, but I'd get $50 back, and the Tablet is apparently totally un-hackable outside of getting root access and sideloading. B&N have done their best at completely locking it down - not only is the bootloader signed, but they also blocked kexec, meaning no custom kernels either (this was the method used to get custom kernels on certain locked-down Motorola phones).

Lack of storage space doesn't bother me. The only concern I have is smoothness and responsiveness of the device. With less RAM than the Nook Tablet and widespread reports of poor touch input recognition, I just don't know. But something tells me those things will be fixed eventually thanks to the openness of the device.

how locked down is the Kindle FIre compared to the Nook Tablet?
 

DaveSimmons

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> how locked down is the Kindle FIre compared to the Nook Tablet?

Sideloading is allowed in the Fire, confirmed in the other Fire thread.

From glancing at Amazon's development docs it seems like it s pretty open as long as you don't need root access, for example they mention you can connect it to a PC with a USB cable for debugging your own app.
 

AstroManLuca

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I see. I'm wondering if the Fire's bootloader is locked down as hard?

It is not. The Nook Tablet has a signed bootloader - virtually impossible to break.

Meanwhile, the Kindle Fire is already booting into CM7 (though admittedly very little is working as of yet). It'll take a little time, but there will undoubtedly be custom roms and kernels for it eventually. It's a matter of working out the kinks, whereas with the Nook it's going to take some real wizardry and it'll never have the same level of customization.
 

shortylickens

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It is not. The Nook Tablet has a signed bootloader - virtually impossible to break.

Meanwhile, the Kindle Fire is already booting into CM7 (though admittedly very little is working as of yet). It'll take a little time, but there will undoubtedly be custom roms and kernels for it eventually. It's a matter of working out the kinks, whereas with the Nook it's going to take some real wizardry and it'll never have the same level of customization.

Doesnt really need it. The thing was designed as a relatively low-cost media absorber. Its still good for that. And the customization they do have with a revamped home screen is more than good enough.
 

AstroManLuca

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Doesnt really need it. The thing was designed as a relatively low-cost media absorber. Its still good for that. And the customization they do have with a revamped home screen is more than good enough.

I suppose you're right. I've always used stock or mostly-stock roms on my phone, and I don't like "ricer" roms at all. So for most people, an alternative launcher is plenty.

Basically, the reason I'm happier with the Kindle Fire is it was $50 less (a 20% discount) than the Nook Tablet for essentially the same thing. Minus a point for worse ergonomics, plus a point for a cleaner and less buggy interface. Kindle Fire may even get ICS at some point, Nook Tablet never will. How much of a difference that will actually make, I don't know.
 

Deeko

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For me, I just don't use storage on my tablet. I keep my music library on my phone, I don't take pictures with the tablet, and most of the time if I'm going to watch videos, I stream them. Sure - sometimes you want to download something for offline viewing - but 8GB will generally suffice for that. Just this last weekend I was traveling and downloaded a movie off the Amazon store before taking off - plenty of storage for that sort of thing.
 

AstroManLuca

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Yeah, some people want to carry their entire 30 GB music library with them on each and every device they own. I just use Pandora.
 

AstroManLuca

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No but I don't have much of a music library; I gave up trying to maintain it and organize it because it's a huge PITA and most of the songs I like I had heard a million times. I want to cull it but I don't have the will.

Honestly I prefer just turning on a station for a genre I like and listening that way. Fewer repeats.
 

Deeko

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Yeah, some people want to carry their entire 30 GB music library with them on each and every device they own. I just use Pandora.

Not to mention that with Amazon's cloud music service, you can stream your own music library to the Kindle Fire if you really want it, too.