Kind of gives new meaning to the term "gun nut"

[zinfamous]

Did they happen to find a collection of Legos stored similarly in a McLaren?

I didn't want to be that guy, kinda sad it took 24 posts.

 

[Paladin3]

I very well may be wrong, and this guy is the reincarnation of Dillinger, but this looks to be the hoard of a gun collector and not someone looking to use them criminally. BUT, this guy is a felon as of 2017 and should have known better than to keep his collection after he got out of jail/prison. So now he is losing what looks like a fantastic collection that he must have spent decades collecting.

If I were him I would have done my time and then petitioned a judge to have my right to own a firearm restored. Or at least transferred the collection to someplace it would be safe and legal until he could do so.

From the photos that is hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of collector guns that are being potentially ruined by the way the Sheriff's Dept. will end up transporting and storing them. And given half a chance they will probably destroy them.

 

[allisolm]

Some of the guns.

 

[zinfamous]

ah yes, many of those are "classics" of the "yankee-killer" era. Truly a history buff there.

 

[glenn1]

ah yes, many of those are "classics" of the "yankee-killer" era. Truly a history buff there.

Everyone in this thread has been reasonably cautious in disclaiming or qualifying their statements about the stash perhaps being antique firearms in part or whole. To the extent that's not the case the non-compliant weapons should obviously be removed and the DA to consider what additional charges to press. Likewise you can hopefully agree that existing federal firearm laws are written such so that even felons may own firearms considered to be in category of antiques, curios and relics, etc.

 

[Jon-T]

Love the photo in the first post.

A couple dozen black guns in the first row, with several hundred 100+ year old WW1 bolt action rifles going off to the horizon in the background.

Back rows are probably Civil War era things.

 

[soulcougher73]

Looks like he was compensating for something...

 

[madoka]

Came in expecting to read about someone shooting themselves in the nuts with their own gun. Leaving only slightly dissapointed.

Bam! With Video!

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...ered-pistol-discharges-negligent-or-accident/

 

[darkswordsman17]

Love the photo in the first post.

A couple dozen black guns in the first row, with several hundred 100+ year old WW1 bolt action rifles going off to the horizon in the background.

Back rows are probably Civil War era things.

Fuckin cops, right? Just can't stop separating and highlighting the blacks as the problems.

 

[Jon-T]

Fuckin cops, right? Just can't stop separating and highlighting the blacks as the problems.

Only if it includes pretzels.

 

[Paladin3]

Hey, I may lament the loss of those older guns because that's what I would collect if I had the cash, but let's be clear the guy was a felon and should have had zero guns. Plus a metric ton of what he had there were high capacity semi-auto rifles that violated California law for even non-felons. And nobody is going to feel good about being shot with a WWI era bolt action rifle because not a modern assault rifle. It's not like older guns are harmless or any less of a threat in the wrong hands.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Any extremely valuable or collectible firearms the guy had will never make it to the L.A. police evidence lockers, but will mysteriously "disappear" from storage.

 

[madoka]

but let's be clear the guy was a felon and should have had zero guns.

You can catch a felony in California for all sorts of lame reasons. His felony was from paying restitution one week late to the water company.

The judge in his case said:

You were about a week late in paying off the [restitution] amount and you are punished for that by having felonies on your criminal history as opposed to misdemeanors.

 

[zinfamous]

You can catch a felony in California for all sorts of lame reasons. His felony was from paying restitution one week late to the water company.

The judge in his case said:

what the hell? This is especially bizarre when it really should be considered a felony for any farmer that uses flood irrigation to water their fields in CA.

Paying the water bill a week late? There just has to be more to that, lol.

 

[feralkid]

Any extremely valuable or collectible firearms the guy had will never make it to the L.A. police evidence lockers, but will mysteriously "disappear" from storage.

Along with any grenades they may find.

 

[sao123]

Why aren't you concerned about the enforcement of gun laws?

I am very much concerned with the proper enforcement of gun laws.

The guy was felon ergo he can't legally possess a fire arm any more.

We can debate if that is appropriate, but what we constantly hear after mass shootings is that no laws are needed because the ones on the books need to be enforced.

The law was enforced here and you show up bitching about it being enforced.

Fucking gun nutters.

The bolded statement is no longer universally true.
We dont need to debate if it is appropriate, it has already been successfully challeneged in a court of law.

Unfortunately CNN glosses over what the original felony was, so we dont know, but if it was nonviolent, there is a national challenge to whether it is constitutional to ban the complete ownership of all firearms, and it has already been granted exemption in multiple cases.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...elons-possessing-guns/?utm_term=.bb7194cdbd2a
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-guns-felons-idUSKBN19H1KZ

 

[pauldun170]

You can catch a felony in California for all sorts of lame reasons. His felony was from paying restitution one week late to the water company.

The judge in his case said:

Can you provide the supporting link for that quote?

 

[brycejones]

I am very much concerned with the proper enforcement of gun laws.



The bolded statement is no longer universally true.
We dont need to debate if it is appropriate, it has already been successfully challeneged in a court of law.

Unfortunately CNN glosses over what the original felony was, so we dont know, but if it was nonviolent, there is a national challenge to whether it is constitutional to ban the complete ownership of all firearms, and it has already been granted exemption in multiple cases.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...elons-possessing-guns/?utm_term=.bb7194cdbd2a
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-guns-felons-idUSKBN19H1KZ

California has its own felon in possession statute. Your linked articles discuss exemptions to the federal law.

 

[sao123]

California has its own felon in possession statute. Your linked articles discuss exemptions to the federal law.

If a federal law can be shown to be conditionally unconstitutional, why should that not also apply to a state statute.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Along with any grenades they may find.

<snicker>

 

[Paladin3]

You can catch a felony in California for all sorts of lame reasons. His felony was from paying restitution one week late to the water company.

The judge in his case said:

Far more than failing to pay a water bill. More like fraud and embezzlement. Sounds like he was given the opportunity to have his felony reduced to a misdemeanor in exchange for paying restitution. He was stupid if he missed the deadline to do so since it's not like he was short on cash to judge from his gun collection. Some would say restitution AND felony prosecution were warranted.

"Manuel Fernandez and Carey Lee Moisan appeal the judgments (orders granting probation) entered following their convictions based on pleas of no contest to six counts of grand theft and one count of conspiracy. (Pen. Code, §§ 487, subd. (a), 182, subd. (a)(1).)1 Appellants contend the imposition of felony convictions violated the terms of their plea agreement.

The record reflects appellants entered open pleas and the trial court advised them it would dismiss all but one count and reduce that count to a misdemeanor if appellants paid restitution in full within six months. However, appellants failed to satisfy this condition. Thus, the trial court properly convicted appellants of felonies. We therefore affirm the judgments.

FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
1. Evidence adduced at the preliminary hearing.
SPV Water Company (SPV) is a mutual water company incorporated in the state of California whose purpose is to provide water to its shareholders, who predominantly are the residents of the homes in Sierra Colony, a residential development in Agua Dulce. Appellants Fernandez and Moisan were elected to the Board of Directors of SPV in July of 2002. A codefendant, Dennis Tomlinson, was appointed to the board of directors in 2003. These three directors were removed following a special election in April of 2004.

During their tenure as directors, appellants and Tomlinson incorporated a water delivery company, American Water Supply, in Nevada. Appellants and Tomlinson used SPV funds to purchase two water trucks and caused SPV to purchase water from American Water Supply at a cost of one cent per gallon higher than SPV previously had paid for water.

Appellants and Tomlinson also caused SPV to pay them compensation in the amounts of $35,000 to Fernandez, $20,000 to Moisan, and $10,000 to Tomlinson, even though the SPV bylaws prohibited such payment. Appellants used SPV funds to drill a well on Fernandez's property and intended to require SPV to pay $300,000 for an easement to access the well. Appellants and Tomlinson caused SPV to pay $2,650 in attorney fees Moisan had been ordered to pay in a civil action for an injunction prohibiting harassment between Moisan and a resident of Sierra Colony."

 

[madoka]

Paying the water bill a week late? There just has to be more to that, lol.

He had a plea agreement that he failed to follow, so the judge came down on him.

Can you provide the supporting link for that quote?

https://www.leagle.com/decision/incaco20101214009