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That's true but I was given no context when people started arguing the statement in the original thread...
That's true but I was given no context when people started arguing the statement in the original thread...
AznAnarchy99
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Without reading the thread, you guys remember that survey I set up for you guys to take for my class about violent video games and aggression. Out of the 500ish people that replied, about 75% of people agreed that there are times when murder/killing was necessary. This came from people who played games and who didnt play any games at all.
Drako
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You were given plenty of context in that thread, you just choose to ignore it for some reason. Everything is black in white in the isolated little world you live in.
Zenmervolt
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I was unaware that the English were no longer considered to be citizens of the United Kingdom. Can you educate me as to when England seceded from Great Britain?
ZV
rudeguy
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OK dipshit...
if I need to eat and need to kill a critter to avoid starving; kill that fucker
if someone threatens myself of my family; kill that fucker
if someone is doing evil and only deadly force can stop them; kill that fucker
if someone posts useless threads all day and is in denial about where he's from; well....
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We do consider ourselves part of Great Britain but for some reason American's seem to call Irish people Irish, Scottish people Scottish, Welsh people Welsh and English people British for some fucking stupid reason. Sort it out people!
Great! good for you dipshit
Zenmervolt
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If you want to argue that it's inconsistent, that's fine. But so far you've been phrasing your argument as though you're intending to claim that it's wrong.
As far as why people from the United States ("America" is a continent; technically Canadians and Mexicans are "American" as well) tend to refer to the English as "British" while referring to the Scots as "Scottish", etc, I would hypothesize that there is an underlying assumption of English dominance in play here. Most people from the US assume that England is the clear dominant force in the UK and because of this there is conflation of "British" and "English". In a way, it's rather more of an unintentional compliment to the English as it is effectively saying that Britain is an extension of England rather than England being merely a portion of Britain.
If anyone should be offended by such a conflation, it's the Scots, Welsh, and Irish.
ZV
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Yeah, I gather that the reason behind it is because of England's dominance in the UK, that makes sense however there is a huge inconsistency and lack of logic behind saying something like "A Brit, A Scott and an Irishman walk into a pub..." They are all brits, and so I feel the urge to point out that British != English in the same way that I would not refer to you as North American and Someone from Canada as Canadian, you both have different nationalities and I separate them up as such.
I'm proud to be an Englishman and I'd rather not be called European or just British. It's not a good definition and it can confuse people who know nothing about geography.
On a side note I never said I'm offended but I would rather be identified by my nationality than something else.
I'm a great believer in logic, and this is illogical.
Zenmervolt
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Strictly speaking, since the UK is a single country that is also composed of 4 countries, your nationality is "British". And also, simultaneously, "English". Either or both would be correct in a strict technical sense.
Logic, appropriately evaluated, embraces pragmatism. I would suggest considering that as it applies to pedantry about one's national origin.
ZV
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The UK isn't a single country. It's 4. It's a Sovereign state, but not a country.
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I'm giving up on this subject now. Call me English please, as I call you American not North American.
that is all.
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SphinxnihpS
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SphinxnihpS
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We are actually United Statesians, but we prefer it when you calls us Your Betters.
SphinxnihpS
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Sovereign nation - In casual usage, the terms "country", "nation", and "state" are often used as if they were synonymous; but in a more strict usage they can be distinguished.
The UK Is a sovereign state, not nation or country
BurnItDwn
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Killing for self defense = OK (in self defense always make sure you "stop" whatever is the problem. This means you don't hurt it's leg or paw, you go for center of mass.)
Killing fish or game = OK (that means killing, not torturing!)
Killing livestock = OK (if you own the livestock, and don't intentionally go out of your way to torture or make the life of the livestock miserable)
Killing people = not OK (Even if some people believe somebody deserves to die, they should not be killed as there is no such thing is infallible evidence and the risk is almost always too great that an innocent could be put to death. I would agree to minimum exceptions to allow people with large amounts of power and influence to be subject to the death penalty, but that's about it. For your run of the mill, poor uneducated criminal, not so much. For example: Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussein = eligible for death penalty, "joe the rapist", life behind bars.)
Killing rats/mice/mosquitoes = Good, as it's beneficial for humanity to have less pests that spread diseases.
Killing fish or game = OK (that means killing, not torturing!)
Killing livestock = OK (if you own the livestock, and don't intentionally go out of your way to torture or make the life of the livestock miserable)
Killing people = not OK (Even if some people believe somebody deserves to die, they should not be killed as there is no such thing is infallible evidence and the risk is almost always too great that an innocent could be put to death. I would agree to minimum exceptions to allow people with large amounts of power and influence to be subject to the death penalty, but that's about it. For your run of the mill, poor uneducated criminal, not so much. For example: Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussein = eligible for death penalty, "joe the rapist", life behind bars.)
Killing rats/mice/mosquitoes = Good, as it's beneficial for humanity to have less pests that spread diseases.
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Absolutely sir, I believe that life deserves more respect than inanimate objects. I.e. A dog deserves more respect than a briefcase. One can be destroyed no moral repercussions and the other cannot. Purely because things that are alive have the capacity to understand or respond to pain, and has the capacity to experience life. You are not depriving a briefcase of life when you destroy it but you are when you kill a dog.
Now, given that there are obviously certain times when the respect you should show for a living thing can be over-ruled I would argue that this is only the case when a life which deserves greater respect is threatened. I.e. a Dolphin has a greater capacity to comprehend it's existence and experience it's life than a chicken does. So we should give more respect to dolphin life than chicken life. As a result when the life of a dolphin is threatened by a chicken (which I'm sure happens regularly lol) we should protect the chicken and (if no other option is available) kill the chicken. That being said it is still depriving life and is a negative thing, an evil (if you like that word [which I don't]) The lesser of two evils however.
still waiting.
I hope that AT has realised that i have called Neckarb out straight up, and he can't post any proof of not doing what i called him out on.
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