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"Killing is [morally] fine" Discuss

Is Killing fine?

  • Yes

  • No

  • In self defence

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Hi People

I have been informed recently that the majority of people on this forum would argue that "Killing is fine" is that the case?! Here's a poll. let me know.

Neckarb

Edit: to clarify, when I say "Killing" I mean taking a life.


For some reason I was in a thread a minute ago, and quite a few people were saying killing is fine, a very finite statement with many repercussions I was told that most people agree with that statement.

For me the notion to kill anything is unacceptable except in self defence.

I apologise for the crudity of the question, particularly how non-specific it is, but the validity of that statement is what I am trying to assess. I have no other information to provide as that is the statement what was originally made

The statment originated in: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2133856

Which was dealing with killing a Coyote however it soon derailed and ended up discussing the rather non-specific statement that "Killing is fine" all encompassing killing in general. This I took issue with and wanted a wider opinion than those in the thread.

Here I am.

I should also add this question is from a Moral perspective. "Morally/ ethically" fine.
 
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Really? You ask if "Killing is fine" and expect a yes, no or self-defense answer to such a complicated question? Either you are trying to insult us or you really are the troll people say you are. Was that degree in philosophy mail order?
 
neckarb said:
Hi People

I have been informed recently that the majority of people on this forum would argue that "Killing is fine" is that the case?! Here's a poll. let me know.

Neckarb

Edit: to clarify, when I say "Killing" I mean taking a life.
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The question cannot be answered without reasoning. Killing what and under what circumstances? Just to kill someone ? no Kill some one in self defense yes. Kill an animal just because you want? Be more specific.
 
Paladin3 said:
Really? You ask if "Killing is fine" and expect a yes, no or self-defense answer to such a complicated question? Either you are trying to insult us or you really are the troll people say you are. Was that degree in philosophy mail order?
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Number1 said:
Your poll is stupid.

Killing what? Cattle? In self defense?
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tyler811 said:
The question cannot be answered without reasoning. Killing what and under what circumstances? Just to kill someone ? no Kill some one in self defense yes. Kill an animal just because you want? Be more specific.
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OP changed to be more explicit.
 
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You have to be more specific than what you are in the OP but in general yeah, it is. Hunting, self defense, etc. Killing trolls, no.
 
neckarb is hurt over the thread about killing the coyote. He wants this poll to show that killing coyotes is wrong.

Which is why I voted yes, taking a life is absolutely fine (in the right circumstances).
 
neckarb said:
For some reason I was in a thread a minute ago, and quite a few people were saying killing is fine, a very finite statement with many repercussions I was told that most people agree with that statement.

For me the notion to kill anything is unacceptable except in self defense.

I apologies for the crudity of the question, particularly how non-specific it is, but the validity of that statement is what I am trying to assess. I have no other information to provide as that is the statement what was originally made

The statement originated in: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2133856

Which was dealing with killing a Coyote however it soon derailed and ended up discussing the rather non-specific statement that "Killing is fine" all encompassing killing in general. This I took issue with and wanted a wider opinion than those in the thread.

Here I am.

I should also add this question is from a Moral perspective. "Morally/ethically" fine.
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Killing humans when forced to in self-defense is fine.
Killing humans in wartime when following all rules of engagement is fine.
Killing human criminals who have earned the death penalty is fine.
Killing humans to end their terminal suffering is fine, with consent.
Killing animals for food or to eliminate varmints or pests is fine.
Killing animals to further necessary life-saving medical science is fine.
Killing animals to end their terminal suffering or threat to society is fine.

I'm sure there are some instances when killing is fine that I am missing, but if you ask me specifically if "killing is fine" without any qualification then I'd have to answer NO.
 
It really depends on the circumstances, but generally no, it's immoral. Whether a person or an animal, killing in cold blood for no good reason (food, protection, etc) is wrong, and only serves the ego of the killer, at the expense of the victim.

I admit to being very selective about what I kill. Cock roach, dead on sight, spiders i leave alone unless they are on me or my bed, deer and other game, only if I have to. People, not without very good reason. Even my government can't make me bend that one.

I would like to add that I've probably killed more animals than anyone here. Ten years as a vet tech, you put down everything from iguanas to dogs, and shittons of them. Some even for lame reasons like the owner bought a leather couch. :/
 
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Cogman said:
neckarb is hurt over the thread about killing the coyote. He wants this poll to show that killing coyotes is wrong.

Which is why I voted yes, taking a life is absolutely fine (in the right circumstances).
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Absolutely not, this is not about coyotes. The majority of people may argue that killing them is fine, my issue is that I don't think most people agree with this statement that killing (no qualifications) is fine. Which is what people were arguing.

Paladin3 said:
Killing humans when forced to in self-defense is fine.
Killing humans in wartime when following all rules of engagement is fine.
Killing human criminals who have earned the death penalty is fine.
Killing humans to end their terminal suffering is fine, with consent.
Killing animals for food or to eliminate varmints or pests is fine.
Killing animals to further necessary life-saving medical science is fine.
Killing animals to end their terminal suffering or threat to society is fine.

I'm sure there are some instances when killing is fine that I am missing, but if you ask me specifically if "killing is fine" without any qualification then I'd have to answer NO.
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Very well thought out, and I would argue that a lot of the qualifications you have made could come under killing in self defence (or possibly in defence of ones society [which may have been a better question])
 
judasmachine said:
It really depends on the circumstances, but generally no, it's immoral. Whether a person or an animal, killing in cold blood for no good reason (food, protection, etc) is wrong, and only serves the ego of the killer, at the expense of the victim.

I admit to being very selective about what I kill. Cock roach, dead on sight, spiders i leave alone unless they are on me or my bed, deer and other game, only if I have to. People, not without very good reason. Even my government can't make me bend that one.
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Thank you I agree with you. This is the route of my question, the morality behind non-specific sense of killing.
 
neckarb said:
Hi People

I have been informed recently that the majority of people on this forum would argue that "Killing is fine" is that the case?! Here's a poll. let me know.

Neckarb

Edit: to clarify, when I say "Killing" I mean taking a life.


For some reason I was in a thread a minute ago, and quite a few people were saying killing is fine, a very finite statement with many repercussions I was told that most people agree with that statement.

For me the notion to kill anything is unacceptable except in self defence.

I apologise for the crudity of the question, particularly how non-specific it is, but the validity of that statement is what I am trying to assess. I have no other information to provide as that is the statement what was originally made

The statment originated in: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2133856

Which was dealing with killing a Coyote however it soon derailed and ended up discussing the rather non-specific statement that "Killing is fine" all encompassing killing in general. This I took issue with and wanted a wider opinion than those in the thread.

Here I am.

I should also add this question is from a Moral perspective. "Morally/ ethically" fine.
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neckarb said:
Absolutely not, this is not about coyotes. The majority of people may argue that killing them is fine, my issue is that I don't think most people agree with this statement that killing (no qualifications) is fine. Which is what people were arguing.
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Bullshit, here is the statement that you went "out on"


frostedflakes said:
This thread sure got pants on head retarded.

FFS, it's just a wild animal. I guess it's just from growing up in a rural area, but if you have an animal that's a nuisance, you just shoot it. It's not a big deal at all. Feral cat attacking some of your own domestic cats, for example, shoot it. Or a coyote attacking livestock, shoot it, problem solved. I mean shit it's not like they're endangered species, sometimes the department of wildlife will even encourage hunting of species like this because their population has been unchecked and a quick death from a rifle is actually more humane that starvation and other "natural" means of population control.
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You'll notice that he did, in fact, have qualifications on when to kill an animal "it is a nuisance". He wasn't advocating that we go out on a happy animal killing spree.

The thread in no way turned that direction.
 
Cogman said:
Bullshit, here is the statement that you went "out on"




You'll notice that he did, in fact, have qualifications on when to kill an animal "it is a nuisance". He wasn't advocating that we go out on a happy animal killing spree.

The thread in no way turned that direction.
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The statement I went on was this:

BoomerD said:
Killing things IS fine...and it doesn't have to be in self defense.
I like to eat. Animals are food, and they're good.

I live in town now, so I don't have any predators to worry about, but we do get mice and rats on the yard/garden from time to time. You can bet your ass that if they're eating my tomatoes, I'm gonna set traps to kill them.
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then this:

Ichinisan said:
Most of us agree with him. You do not.
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Read thread before you lecture me on what I'm basing this on.
 
neckarb said:
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Still looks funny to me.
 
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brit trolls are british. the government took away your guns and you all turned into little girls.

hunting animals is fine, if they are pests or food. killing people is fine in self defense. killing people for sport is fine if you are a contestant on the running man.
 
erikistired said:
brit trolls are british. the government took away your guns and you all turned into little girls.

hunting animals is fine, if they are pests or food. killing people is fine in self defense. killing people for sport is fine if you are a contestant on the running man.
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I'm English.
Scottish people are Scottish
Irish people are Irish
German people are German
 
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