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Killed a civic today. (yay! or not. :)

Phil21

Golden Member
Sigh. What a crappy week. I took a job driving semi-local delivers (under 1,000 mile long trips), delivering tropical fish since I got laid off about 8 months ago. Pretty decent job, I work 2 days a week and can pretty much more or less pay the bills with that.

Anyways, up here in Minnesota/Wisconsin we're getting pelted with the biggest snowstorm of the winter (which is sad, but another topic altogether). So Phil gets to drive in it. Yay!

Anyways, I was in a small truck today, just an E-350 cargo van, nothing huge, but not entirely tiny either. You see these things all the time, like the telephone company vans, only a bit larger.

So the roads suck, probably a nice 1-2 inches of snow on the major highway I was on (pretty much an interstate, although not classified as one), with only the right lane plowed at all, and wet instantly freezling sleet coming down. I.e. slippery stuff!

I was going 60mph (in a 65) which was about all I could stomache in the right lane, and I see this car come up from behind be fairly fast, and he starts to try to pass me. Gets up in front of me, and then when he's starting to cut back over into the right lane (the one that's plowed, remember), he loses it and starts to wobble. I see this and instantly start braking as hard as I could w/o losing it myself (which is NOT much on basically almost-ice with an empty cargo van). He does a couple 360's and ends up on the righthand shoulder (very unplowed), and I'm thinking "great, he'll just ditch the thing and I won't hit him! cool!". Of course not. He for whatever reason (either couldn't control it, or tried to keep it on the road for whatever stupid reason), gets back on the road somehow in time to do a 180 so his front-end is directly facing me. I'm still braking as hard as I can and trying to maneaver as well into the left lane to try to avoid this guy, but of course he comes halfway into the left lane as well! Doh!

So, basically realize I'm going to hit him, and just slam on the brakes to try to take down the speed as far as I can. I hit him almost directly front-on, and it was a pretty hard jar (around 20-30mph I guess). Now we're stopped in the middle of a freeway so I immediately kick it to get into the center median, but the guy just sits there?! I had to freaking wave at him to get him to move his car out of the middle of the road, when theres two 18 wheelers behind us not more than 300 yards away by that time. Yeesh.

But, to make a long story short his civic was undrivable, and questionably totalled. The entire front-end was ripped off (bumper, lights, etc.) just exposing the radiator which was also smashed in up against the engine. The hood of course was all curled up. So, an essentially totalled civic.

The entire reason I posted the story is this. My van had a single DENT and a small one at that, on the front bumper. That, and some paint rubbed off his car onto the bumper within that dent. It looked like someone took a softball and threw it really hard at like a door panel, just a freaking dent! I could have hit a pole like that, and wouldn't have had to tell anyone because no one would noticed for a long time, it was that small.

I still can't believe the truck at most needs a new bumper, and the bumper is barely damaged at that. And the civic was almost completely totalled. Yeesh. If I had been in my bigger truck, I bet there would only be some paint scratching, and that's it.

Moral of the story is not drive like a moron in bad driving conditions. There was a reason I wasn't going the full speed limit (and why others were going even less than I was), and why he was the only guy on the road doing 70mph+ or thereabouts.

oh well, added an additional hour and a half to my trip time, but other than that I should be 100% okay. The trooper didn't even have me stick around, he said the tire tracks/skid marks showed pretty clearly what happened and just had me write a statement and leave.

Second not-at-fault accident to date. I have a penchant for these things or something, I must be carrying around a very strong magnet.

Ah well, waaaay to tired to post coherently. Peace. 😉

-Phil
 
And people say SUVs arent safe 😉

Hope you dont have any troubles at work about having an accident.

A couple of weeks ago, some lady turned left from the right lane in front of me. My Expedition has a tiny mark on the corner of the bumper, the whole back door and quarter panel of her new Focus was caved in, it was kinda sad. The police lady who investigated the wreck walked around my truck about 3 times before asking me..."where is the damage on your vehicle?"
 
just so u know, for safety engineers make cars to crumple in accidents, the more energy absorbed the better. the point is to protect the driver not the car. his car absored the energy, your truck didn't really have to😛 now if your truck was totally rigid and hit a brick wall, it would cause you far more severe injuries then if your van crumpled against a brick wall. mind you the crumple zone doesn't not include the safety cage of course🙂
 
That's why I don't like driving puny vehicles, no matter the gas mileage, you don't stand a chance in car accidents. Safety #1. And that fellow deserved what he got for being a dick on the road under such conditions.
 
What Nefrodite said - my sister and friend both had pretty bad accidents in their 99 and 01 Civics (respectively) that caused a bit of damage (over 6k on each) but the safety features allowed them to escape unharmed. (Except for the 01 Civic whose airbag never went off) Glad you're ok and that guy got what he deserved
 
Yeap, well.. it crumpled alright. 😉 I guess he may have been somewhat hurt if it hadn't as I don't recall him wearing a seatbelt (although things happen so fast, you can bever be sure). But the impact wasn't enough to set off his airbags, and it was a front-on collision so who knows. I'm sure he'll be sore (speaking from experience) tomorrow. I just felt a small bump. 🙂

I suppose a 2,000lb (or so) car, doesn't have much chance against a 7,000lb (or whatever) van. Just think if I was driving the 14,000lb cube truck (F450). 😉

Sad part though, is if I WERE in a car, I would have had a much shorter stopping distance, and would have been able to successfully avoid the accident altogether. All I needed was like another 20-30 feet and I would have been able to fully stop.

Ah well, he definitely got what he deserved. At least he wasn't hurt, only his pride and his car are gone. Perhaps it's just one of those hard lessons that he'll learn. Either that or his daddy will buy him a new one and he won't think twice about doing the same thing again. Who knows.

-Phil
 
I want a Freightliner that accelerates like a Ferrari(probably doable with dual jet engine and a rocket engine booster) and handles like one 😀😀😀😀. Imagine how much fun I'd have in that thing 🙂. Let's not forget to say how much the fellow road users enjoy having me behind the wheels of such a monster.
 


<< They have freightliner racing in england. no joke. 100+ in 4 seconds! >>




Fuc|<in schweeeet!. For once, I can drive without worrying about road morons. I can control myself to not run reds, obey yields, but if someone in their Civic insist on out running me against yield, or turn against red thump. FULL THROTTLE vrrrrrroooom roar.... 100,000lbs 40,000hp dual turbine truck vs. 2,000lbs Civic. Who'd win 😀
 


<< Who'd win when you're in prison for vehicular homicide? The guys making you their bitch, that's who 😉 >>



If I have the right of way and they bolt out against a YIELD sign, it's not my faulty.
 
oh man, dumb driver. I can't believe anyone is that dumb (ok, I can, but I try to give all those morons out there the benefit of the doubt) Anyone else have any stories like that?
 
haha, I have another one.. 😉

Hmm..

basically, I was waiting at a stoplight against a 65mph speed limit road (it's a really messed up intersection, lots of crap happens there I guess), and got a green light. There was a minivan (astro) next to me on my right, also going across the highway.

So we both go, and are pretty much going the same speed across when WHAM! a brand new (still had dealer plates) lincoln navigator comes screaming through the interesection @ 65mph and the minivan next to me actually broadsides IT. The resulting chaos that ensues spins me around in my car a few times and deposits me on the other side of the road somewhere in the ditch. 🙂

That would have been a fatility (or two, or three) accident had the minivan, or I, accerlated a tiny bit more off the red light when it turned green. If the navigator (going 65mph) had t-boned the minivan (going like 20mph), the lady in it assuredly would have died, and I would have been very seriously injured. Having a massive hulk of a vehicle going that fast transfering all it's energy instantly into another vehicle that is essentially stationary in relation to it's movement would have been deadly. Probably would have killed the lady in the navigator as well.

But, that didn't happen. The minivan had the exact right speed to "push" the navigator out of the way enough so it didn't clip my front-end (I was in a crappy '89 cavalier), so you only had a comparatively small transfer of energy. Believe me, it was big enough just from that. The minivan was totalled, and the navigator had it's entire drivers side completely dented in/scratched and it's tires blown out. But otherwise I think it was driveable (if you replaced the tires, at least).

Everyone walked away, and aside from some severe stiffness for the next couple days I was fine. The lady in the minivan wasn't wearing a seatbelt, so I'm sure she had some issues later on. She was complaining a bit at the scene about how it hurt allready, which is hardly a good sign.

Now, this other lady running the red light in the navigator felt bad. But yeesh. The light had been red for a good 5 seconds plus the time it takes for the opposing green to show, so probably 7-8 seconds total. This is a 4-lane divided highway with a median and everything, so we had to first cross 2 lanes of traffic, the median, one more lane of traffic, and got hit in the far lane of the intersecting highway.

The lady said she wasn't paying attention, but the SUPER apologetic, etc. way she acted and just the vibe I got from her made me get the feeling she was attempting to sneak through the yellow but totally mistimed it, and tried to compensate by flooring it across (and obviously misjudging that a lot as well).

That should be my last story about completely non-at-fault accidents caused by other moronic drivers. 😉

-Phil
 


<< but if someone in their Civic insist on out running me against yield, or turn against red thump. FULL THROTTLE vrrrrrroooom roar.... >>



Well if you drive without caution and slam on the gas it is your fault. (Failing to avoid an accident makes you guilty)
 
It never fails to amaze me that people think that in snow they can just change lanes like it's raining or something. When I change lanes I act like I'm driving on ice, moving nice and slow.
Also I'm a big believer of driving around trying different things in an empty parking lot around the first snowstorm of the winter. For me it helps me get the feel of winter driving and seeing how my car handles the snow before I have to do any serious driving in it.
 
That's why I don't like driving puny vehicles, no matter the gas mileage, you don't stand a chance in car accidents. Safety #1. And that fellow deserved what he got for being a dick on the road under such conditions.


eh sorta, truck based vehicles have to meet lower safety standards, and generallyl they do. Thats why car based suvs like the mercedes/lexus ones come out on top in tests😛
 


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<< Who'd win when you're in prison for vehicular homicide? The guys making you their bitch, that's who 😉 >>



If I have the right of way and they bolt out against a YIELD sign, it's not my faulty.
>>



I've got a feeling that one won't hold up in front of a judge in a court room filled with crying family members.

Ryan
 


<< That's why I don't like driving puny vehicles, no matter the gas mileage, you don't stand a chance in car accidents. Safety #1. And that fellow deserved what he got for being a dick on the road under such conditions. >>


He didn't mention if the other driver was injured (and of course, he wasn't wearing his seat belt), but the Civic is one of the safest cars on the roads today. The 7th-Gen Civic got 5-stars on front- and side-impact. You SHOULD be able to get whacked by work van and walk away. The car will look like hell, if not be totalled, because it's designed that way--there's a steel cage around the passenger compartment, and the engine compartment collapses to absorb the energy.
I'd rather be in a Civic than rolling over in an Explorer. 🙂
 
but what about the FISH??????


didn't you say you deliver tropical fish? where there like little fishies all over the back of your truck? were you able to pick them up and get them back into water in time?



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