Maleficus
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Maybe I was just expecting too much from this movie, like a plot/story or maybe a little meaning. I can enjoy a senseless movie as much as the next guy such as bad boys II, which I did thoroughly enjoy, but this movie did not and still does not appear to be that type of a movie to me. It seemed like it was trying for something else. Cinematography and music were great as always but I go to see a movie to be entertained and going 'wow he did that scene that meant little to nothing really well' doesn't really do it for me.
People are acting like because this film is one that 'pays homage' to classics that it somehow justifies the movie not really doing much. Maybe I don't get it, but i'm not sure if there is anything to get.
People are acting like because this film is one that 'pays homage' to classics that it somehow justifies the movie not really doing much. Maybe I don't get it, but i'm not sure if there is anything to get.
alkemyst
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It's an old-school movie, hell they did two movies for around 50million....many movies break that for 90mins of footage.
There is no real in-depth CGI, wire-fu, special effects, buildings blowing up, cars exploding, etc that everyone is accustomed to seeing....walking out of the theatre some kid mentioned nothing blew up and was like bummed about it. Most were talking about the red dots thinking they were Kanji.
There is no real in-depth CGI, wire-fu, special effects, buildings blowing up, cars exploding, etc that everyone is accustomed to seeing....walking out of the theatre some kid mentioned nothing blew up and was like bummed about it. Most were talking about the red dots thinking they were Kanji.
....and we have yet another casualty of popular culture.
The Mona Lisa is just a painting, what's to get?
Vivaldi's Four Seasons is just a song, what's to get?
It's art, that's what's to get. Note that I'm not hoisting Quentin Tarantino up to the level of the masters of classical art, but I'm making a simple comparison.
For a better one, it's like saying "Citizen Kane is just a movie, what's to get?" Few directors are capable of creating such innovation in the world of cinema, and Tarantino is definitely a genius when it comes to filmmaking. That doesn't mean you have to "get" his films, nor does it mean you have to enjoy them at all. You're entitled to your opinion.
However, your inability to "get" the purpose and significance of films like this just points out that the "art" aspect of filmmaking is lost on the majority of viewers. If you were entertained by it, that's at least a partial success.
Do you know why I feel that it was insulting to Bruce Lee and not an homage/reference? Because, in plainer words than those I used to state it earlier, Uma Thurman sucks. It's like saying a Big Mac is a tribute to a filet mignon.
I think I didn't make it clear what I meant when I said "movie-elitist stuff is so bs". I'm not talking about any movie itself, but rather the people who watch it. There is nothing wrong with a smart movie and subtle complexities that make you think. I feel that there is something wrong with the attitude some people have which is: "I see something you don't see because I'm ______er/more ______ than you".
*edit* Let me expand just a little bit here. Say I go to see a movie and afterwards I think about what it meant, the messages in it, subtleties, complexities, etc. I might talk about them with my friend who saw the movie. He might disagree. I would never accuse someone of "not getting it" because they didn't agree with my interpretation. In fact, whenever I talk about a movie I've seen I usually preface any discussion with "I think/I thought/It seemed like...". I never say "This is what the movie meant. I get it." There is no concrete, universal it for any movie, only each person's interpretation.
IMO.
Schadenfreude
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That's your opinion. It would seem you are vastly outnumbered, though. Not everyone would call him the greatest martial artist known, but I think plenty of people would say he is, in fact, that great.
if you're arguing about intention (ie: this is what the film is supposed to say), I agree. On the other hand, it's quite possible to make faulty comparisons of relationships in films, regardless of intention. Interpretation isn't a free license to arbitrarily deny or ascert truth. If my friend tells me memento is totally anachronistic and without structure, it's not just alternate interpretation , he's incorrect.
This post was too long to read. The movie was too long to watch. Too much thinking involved. it's at the top of the box office today. I think I'll watch pulp fiction again instead.
gravity
Actually, it's just ripped off of an episode of the Flintstones. Betty and Wilma do the same thing, from what I remember.
lol ..
Kill Bill = 110 minutes
Pulp Fiction = 154 min / USA:168 min (special edition)
now .. Kill Bill was too long to watch and too much thinking? and Pulp fiction was not?
Kill Bill = 110 minutes
Pulp Fiction = 154 min / USA:168 min (special edition)
now .. Kill Bill was too long to watch and too much thinking? and Pulp fiction was not?
The jumpsuit IS a reference to Bruce Lee.
But, it NOT paying homage to him.
If anything, it is paying homage to "movies."
Thinking it is a crappy tribute to Bruce Lee is like thinking Picasso drew a crappy picture of a guitar.
But, it NOT paying homage to him.
If anything, it is paying homage to "movies."
Thinking it is a crappy tribute to Bruce Lee is like thinking Picasso drew a crappy picture of a guitar.
I get it. Pulp Fiction was a lucky aberration in his career and he will never make another movie that compares to it.
Kill Bill is a semi-artistic movie about senseless violence and nearly pointless asian references. The references are just a fun detail. They don't affect the value of the movie.
IMO the mosquito scene and others like it are important for a movie like this because they set you up for what's going to happen. It was already obvious that Uma was gonna wake up at that point, but you need something to get your attention away from that moment just before it happens.
The movie was however very well filmed. The special effects were terrible, but this was obviously done on purpose. The scene where Uma takes off her suit in the washroom was one amazingly well filmed scene. You can see her walk down the stairs, into the bathroom. And then you go out of the bathroom, back up the stairs, and then we follow Sophie back down the stairs and into the bathroom. All this in ONE scene with NO cuts. This is excellent filmography and it only adds to the value of this movie. However it doesn't add to the story which is quite lacking, hopefully only until the beginning of the second part.
Pulp Fiction is an exceptional movie. Watching Kill Bill gave me the impression he was trying to duplicate PF with a different story. IMO no movie will equal Pulp Fiction. It can be emulated, but never copied. You can make an equally good movie, but it will never fit into the same category.
The only thing I didn't "get" was why Uma's name was censored. But most likely we'll find out in the second movie.
As far as I could figure out, having seen this movie twice, is that there really is nothing to "get" about it. It's senseless violence and wanton destruction, and it was made that way because people like it. Blood sells, so they make a movie with as much blood as possible.
The meaning of a movie is often analyzed too much. QT most likely didn't have a meaning or moral to this story, so what's the point in looking for one?
IMO the mosquito scene and others like it are important for a movie like this because they set you up for what's going to happen. It was already obvious that Uma was gonna wake up at that point, but you need something to get your attention away from that moment just before it happens.
The movie was however very well filmed. The special effects were terrible, but this was obviously done on purpose. The scene where Uma takes off her suit in the washroom was one amazingly well filmed scene. You can see her walk down the stairs, into the bathroom. And then you go out of the bathroom, back up the stairs, and then we follow Sophie back down the stairs and into the bathroom. All this in ONE scene with NO cuts. This is excellent filmography and it only adds to the value of this movie. However it doesn't add to the story which is quite lacking, hopefully only until the beginning of the second part.
Pulp Fiction is an exceptional movie. Watching Kill Bill gave me the impression he was trying to duplicate PF with a different story. IMO no movie will equal Pulp Fiction. It can be emulated, but never copied. You can make an equally good movie, but it will never fit into the same category.
The only thing I didn't "get" was why Uma's name was censored. But most likely we'll find out in the second movie.
As far as I could figure out, having seen this movie twice, is that there really is nothing to "get" about it. It's senseless violence and wanton destruction, and it was made that way because people like it. Blood sells, so they make a movie with as much blood as possible.
The meaning of a movie is often analyzed too much. QT most likely didn't have a meaning or moral to this story, so what's the point in looking for one?
alkemyst
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The only reason it compares to PF is that both are QT's creations....the anti-QT crowd is constantly finding seens in his other movies and going 'that's a rip-off of PF, RD, and now probably Kill Bill'
The blood baths were typical of Kung Fu with a punch going straight through someone's body and fake blood spray everywhere. That effect would not work for Pulp Fiction, Star Wars, Matrix or LoTR.
Also above all, and people keep missing this point....the movie is supposed to be funny, not serious. It's not supposed to be an epic or an action-drama. It's an action-comedy.
The blood baths were typical of Kung Fu with a punch going straight through someone's body and fake blood spray everywhere. That effect would not work for Pulp Fiction, Star Wars, Matrix or LoTR.
Also above all, and people keep missing this point....the movie is supposed to be funny, not serious. It's not supposed to be an epic or an action-drama. It's an action-comedy.
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