Kill A Watt $26 only - reduce you power bill

Page 3 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

thepenguin99

Senior member
Jun 5, 2004
313
0
71
Originally posted by: mscdex0
I don't know about you guys, but........












i just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to geico. :p


Quoted because it was the most interesting thing I read in this thread.
 

commOdog

Golden Member
Oct 9, 1999
1,687
0
0
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Flash1969
Interesting product.

Have any of you ever thought about all the free heat you lose in the winter having your clothes dryer blowing heat out of the house? Why couldn't that heat be released into the house instead?

some people grow winter vegetables and herbs using high intensity discharge lights inside their home which serves a double purpose of heating the home and producing fresh out-of-season veggies. ;)
:thumbsup:

no[t much] extra humidity like using the dryer inside :p


my dad used to do this with tomato plants under a heavy sheet of black plastic in the garage when I was little, only after my parents divorced did I find out it wasn't tomatoes...
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,653
100
106
Originally posted by: commOdog
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Flash1969
Interesting product.

Have any of you ever thought about all the free heat you lose in the winter having your clothes dryer blowing heat out of the house? Why couldn't that heat be released into the house instead?

some people grow winter vegetables and herbs using high intensity discharge lights inside their home which serves a double purpose of heating the home and producing fresh out-of-season veggies. ;)
:thumbsup:

no[t much] extra humidity like using the dryer inside :p


my dad used to do this with tomato plants under a heavy sheet of black plastic in the garage when I was little, only after my parents divorced did I find out it wasn't tomatoes...

lol :D

Always a treat to find out daddy was a druggy afterall. :frown:
 

k1114

Golden Member
Nov 15, 2002
1,153
0
76
LEARN TO USE S3/STR ON YOUR PC

This is one of the best ways to not only cut down on electricity costs, but extend the lifespan of many hardware components. Most people only use their computers and hour or two a day (and often less) but many them leave the systems running constantly. S3 sleep (otherwise known as "suspend to ram" or "STR") allows the system to completely power down everything but the ram (which uses a tiny amount of power, often under 5 watts) and sleep when not in use, but fire up back to where you were in just a couple seconds.
 

RideFree

Diamond Member
Jul 25, 2001
3,433
2
0
Originally posted by: phios
For one, motors, solenoids, and relays do not add capacitance, they add inductance.

For two, adding capacitance to a household with several inductive loads will increase your power factor, and that will decrease the wasted circulating current, and lower the overall KVA that your meter reads.

The comment about how AC units works is true, but that little capacitance and for as little time it is in the circuit, it does nothing to compansate for the inductance.

The reality is that most household don't have much for inductive loads, and the cost of capacitors to make up for the inductive loads would cost a large chuck of change.
for one, I was in reference to adding capacitors to motors, solonoids and relays to balance the inductance.

for two, the savings in "several inductive loads" is based in the fiction that you could find "several inductive loads" of any significance in the common household. The resultant savings to the normal household would be inconsequential, even if the capacitance were free.

I mean, what are we talking about, a couple of dollars a month off the average electrical bill? What is the power factor for the average household dishwasher or clothes washer? A typical household clothes washer can cost as much as $1,500 to operate over its lifetime (12 years), and almost 90% of all energy used in operating a washing machine goes towards heating the water.

So, let's assume that you pay $2 /month just for the electricity for that washing machine motor. (You can do the math.) Let's assume you raise the 70% power factor of that $2/month motor to 100%. Wow, you could save nearly 50¢
You could do better by lowering the voltage to only what is required to maintain the load. That might save 60¢
 

highwire

Senior member
Nov 5, 2000
363
0
76
Originally posted by: RideFree
I found that I need to unplug the
Clothes Dryer
Oven
Range Top
Refigerator
Freezer
2 TVs
& Computer

I've already turned the thermostat down to 55 and
am washing the dishes by hand in Cold-Water All.
:D:D:D

RideFree - You're drilled a little off center just like some one I know, but since we are closely related, you can keep using my picture for an avatar:D

BTW - just ordered one from the 2nd addr on the thread. I hope it measures true RMS. Should be handy around my ghetto ranch.
r
 

highwire

Senior member
Nov 5, 2000
363
0
76
Originally posted by: phios
For one, motors, solenoids, and relays do not add capacitance, they add inductance.

For two, adding capacitance to a household with several inductive loads will increase your power factor, and that will decrease the wasted circulating current, and lower the overall KVA that your meter reads.

The comment about how AC units works is true, but that little capacitance and for as little time it is in the circuit, it does nothing to compansate for the inductance.

The reality is that most household don't have much for inductive loads, and the cost of capacitors to make up for the inductive loads would cost a large chuck of change.

phios has got it pretty much nailed. An often running pump motor way out back with a long line and loss might benefit from a cap investment wise.

RideFree make some good point, too.
 

RideFree

Diamond Member
Jul 25, 2001
3,433
2
0
Hiwire,
Having to pump water from the Colorado to the north forty in Arizona hardly qualifies as the average household. Sounds like you need some of that de-hydrated water.

I might be able to cut you some slack on the avatar since the one with diesel horns doesn?t come in my size. :D:D:D
 

quangdaika

Member
May 26, 2005
158
0
76
my electric bill for 2 months is 47 bucks and i think that is high. our gas bill is like 16 dollars for 2 months.
 

markrb38

Senior member
Nov 19, 2004
354
1
81
Originally posted by: Midlander
Originally posted by: Flash1969
Interesting product.

Have any of you ever thought about all the free heat you lose in the winter having your clothes dryer blowing heat out of the house? Why couldn't that heat be released into the house instead?

This puts way too much humidity into your home (assuming an electric dryer--a gas one would put carbon monoxide into your home, which would be much worse). That humidity will condense on your windows and in your walls, eventually leading to mold issues.

Back in the 70s, there were a lot of products available for trapping that last bit of lint before venting into your house. I'm not aware of any at this point. We've learned too much about moisture management and the effect on structures.



Just go to any Home Depot. They carry about 2 or 3 types up here in the Northeast.
In Summer I would never recomend it, but in winter we tend to have a humidifier anyway so from a humididity aspect I can't see a problem. I don't like them because they don't do a very good job with catching the last bit of lint. I find they add to the dust in the house.
BTW unless your dryer is defective the amount of carbon Dioxide is virtually nil. They burn as clean as your oven. Is your oven vented outside?
Mark
 

IEC

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Jun 10, 2004
14,600
6,084
136
Good grief... if people would turn up/turn down the A/C or heat a bit less everyone would save quite a bit of $$$ :p

Average electric bill while living in TX was $80/month...
 

Staples

Diamond Member
Oct 28, 2001
4,953
119
106
How much do these things usually cost? I told my sister that I wanted one of these for Christmas but maybe I should buy one now if they are cheaper than usual.
 

phenderson

Diamond Member
Jan 10, 2003
3,469
0
76
Originally posted by: Bill Kunert
We just moved to Georgetownn, Ky. from north central Ohio. We have Kentucky Utilities and live in an all electric house. Temps averaged mid 90's daytime high in August. We used nearly 1400KWH and paid $75. In Ohio we paid nearly $130 for 800 KWH. KU is one of the least expensive electric utilities in the country. We are happy campers.


Bill, I am guessing that you must not run a lot of appliances...
I moved from a 2 bedroom appartment to a nice 1721 Squarefoot Town home, in Georgetown (316 Williamsburg Lane) back in 2002. I stayed there for about 2 years and bought a house in Lexington in Feb. 04. My bill while I was in Georgetown, was never less than $100.00.
But to be fair, I was running Dual Servers, my wife had a PC, and my kids had a PC. We had a 31 inch RCA TV that we would leave on, all the time, sometimes 2-3 days straight,and I had a Kenwood 500 watt Stereo Receiver that would stay on all the time, also. My wife likes to leave a light or 2 on, all the time.

Now we live in a 1921 square foot 4 (soon to be 5 due to remodeling) bedroom, 2 bathroom, house with 2 garages, and for the most part our bills have been $150-200 dollars, for the past 2 years.

I will sell the house in February, or refinance it (2-28 arms...go figure) and figure to get something bigger with a basement.

 

BakedWafer

Member
May 30, 2001
97
0
0
Originally posted by: Zap
You guys don't know electricity bills until you've lived in a desert. Until I moved to Wisconsin, having a $250 electricity bill was considered average.


That's nothing. Live in the Northeast. Bills around $500 are normal.


 

xirtam

Diamond Member
Aug 25, 2001
4,693
0
0
Just buy huge solar panels to run your television. If they're not producing enough power to also wash your clothes, scrub them in the tub with the light off or wear the same set over again for a couple of days until you have enough power.

Or become Amish, that'd be cool too.
 

Bill Kunert

Senior member
Oct 9, 1999
793
0
0
Originally posted by: phenderson
Originally posted by: Bill Kunert
We just moved to Georgetownn, Ky. from north central Ohio. We have Kentucky Utilities and live in an all electric house. Temps averaged mid 90's daytime high in August. We used nearly 1400KWH and paid $75. In Ohio we paid nearly $130 for 800 KWH. KU is one of the least expensive electric utilities in the country. We are happy campers.


Bill, I am guessing that you must not run a lot of appliances...
I moved from a 2 bedroom appartment to a nice 1721 Squarefoot Town home, in Georgetown (316 Williamsburg Lane) back in 2002. I stayed there for about 2 years and bought a house in Lexington in Feb. 04. My bill while I was in Georgetown, was never less than $100.00.
But to be fair, I was running Dual Servers, my wife had a PC, and my kids had a PC. We had a 31 inch RCA TV that we would leave on, all the time, sometimes 2-3 days straight,and I had a Kenwood 500 watt Stereo Receiver that would stay on all the time, also. My wife likes to leave a light or 2 on, all the time.

Now we live in a 1921 square foot 4 (soon to be 5 due to remodeling) bedroom, 2 bathroom, house with 2 garages, and for the most part our bills have been $150-200 dollars, for the past 2 years.

I will sell the house in February, or refinance it (2-28 arms...go figure) and figure to get something bigger with a basement.

Were you on KU? There is a massive difference between KU and whatever other utilities are in the area. My son moved to Nicholasville and his gas + electric jumped from an average $85(all electric house KU) to Nearly $300 per month. Our current house is all electric and the A/C ran a lot during Jul and Aug Plus using the dryer a lot. $74 highest bill.
 

nomadh

Senior member
Jan 19, 2004
585
0
0
The kill a watt is a neat toy. It does have rms and it has no memory when unplugged but you can leave it plugged into something for a month like a fridge which has huge usage variations. I found that my power usage with compressor on and off were both normal but the compressor runs too often costing me $$$.
 

xirtam

Diamond Member
Aug 25, 2001
4,693
0
0
Originally posted by: RideFree
Originally posted by: xirtam
If I were God, I would play dice with the universe.
That is contrary to Einstein's Speckled Theory of Relativity.

If I were Einstein, I would drop out of high school and sit at home all day on the verge of wetting my pants, coming up with random formulas that people will learn, but only supernerds will really care about, although a host of supernerd wannabes will run around pretending they understand my crap.

I think I'd rather be God.
 

Samus

Golden Member
Jan 12, 2001
1,405
7
81
At least we're not dependant on the Arab's for electricity. Ohh wonderful nuclear power.