Kids that were deemed 'gifted' in elementary school..

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I wonder if any studies have been done on kids that were put into the gifted programs in elementary school?


I feel like we're different.. I feel like I can tell when I meet someone if they were part of the 'gifted' program (sometimes called target, aim, etc).

I know the tests have to do with a different way of thinking but I don't know much about them. I also feel like the kids that got in during middle and high school weren't the same.. They did it by studying and GPA, not the modified logic stuff..



...Thoughts?
 

jme5343

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I'd like to see a study on how "successful" these "gifted" kids really are. Of course everyone's definition of successful is different, so that may be difficult to gauge.
 

TecHNooB

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Gifted program? Not sure about that. But can I always pick out the smart ones in a classroom.
 

TuxDave

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I wasn't admitted into the gifted program until middle school. I guess that makes me slow...
 

TraumaRN

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Depends on what your idea of success is....I was one of those 'gifted' kids in elementary school and middle school, all it meant for me was I wasn't so bored in class.

Success wise well I graduated college at 21, been to Australia twice, Tahiti once, travelled through most of the USA, bought a house a few months after I turned 23, and now I'll be 25 in 4 months and I am married 2 cars, and a house. If that is a success story then sure the system works.

But honestly most of the people I know who were in my gifted classes either did what I did success wise or they are college drop out losers. I really don't think you could quantify the benefits of the program. Just my opinion.
 

TecHNooB

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Not every kid in the 'gifted' program is actually gifted. But truly gifted kids are always interesting to observe.
 

rudeguy

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I was in the gifted and talented program from third grade until I switched schools in 8th grade. After I moved, I was pissed off because they were studying things that I had learned in 4th and 5th grade. Then I started smoking weed...being a bad kid...dropped out middle of sophomore year.

I always wondered what would have happened if I had moved to a school with a similar program......
 

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I lived an a "'progressive" area, which felt that having gifted classes was discriminatory. Consequently everything got dumbed down. My daughter had very poor grades until we moved, not because she couldn't do the material but because she was bored to tears. Teachers apologized, but they were effectively prohibited from doing much because of the "enlightened". Unfortunately that left a lasting impression which we've been trying to counter ever since.

Nice.
 

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The Louisiana gifted system sucked, in my opinion. It just bred laziness and a bad worth ethic. The gifted teachers all took the stance of "Oh, since you are so gifted, you are above standard homework. Why don't you sit on the couch and watch a movie?"

The honor students did much more work and I bet are more successful. The students in the gifted program did seem smarter though, just lazier. Most gifted students had Cs or Ds in honor classes.

I guess I was an exception though. I was one of the few gifted students who wasn't afraid of school work.
 

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I was in a "gifted" program in elementary and middle school. I definitely felt smart all the way up through high school and could usually pin someone who I felt belonged in the program; typically they were more receptive, quicker to pick up on things, stuff like that. I feel like I plateaued after high school though, and I no longer feel smart. I feel pretty dumb nowadays; I had to really concentrate and actually study in college, and now at work (I'm a programmer), a lot of things seem over my head and it takes me a while to understand new ideas. I feel like I still could be "smart," but it's like my creativity is just stifled. I still tend towards the geekier side of the spectrum as I love learning and could research various topics all day, but I just don't feel like the bright, sharp intellect that I thought I was before.
 

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Depends on what your idea of success is....I was one of those 'gifted' kids in elementary school and middle school, all it meant for me was I wasn't so bored in class.

Success wise well I graduated college at 21, been to Australia twice, Tahiti once, travelled through most of the USA, bought a house a few months after I turned 23, and now I'll be 25 in 4 months and I am married 2 cars, and a house. If that is a success story then sure the system works.

But honestly most of the people I know who were in my gifted classes either did what I did success wise or they are college drop out losers. I really don't think you could quantify the benefits of the program. Just my opinion.

My story is similar to your's.
 

meltdown75

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i was in the enriched thingy in grade 4... they pulled me out of math class to read Shakespeare and visit planetariums... and after that i pretty much sucked at math forever.

thanks enrichment d00dz.
 
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The Louisiana gifted system sucked, in my opinion. It just bred laziness and a bad worth ethic. The gifted teachers all took the stance of "Oh, since you are so gifted, you are above standard homework. Why don't you sit on the couch and watch a movie?"

The honor students did much more work and I bet are more successful. The students in the gifted program did seem smarter though, just lazier. Most gifted students had Cs or Ds in honor classes.

I guess I was an exception though. I was one of the few gifted students who wasn't afraid of school work.

It was not like this in elementary school for me.


I also feel like the other elementary kids either did really well or totally bombed out - nothing in between.

I did really well in it during elementary but was fairly frustrated in middle school when parents of 'non gifted' kids started arguing their kids into the program. It became diluted, and they started making the determining factor grades.

Our gifted class teachers were definitely gifted when kids. I've thought about looking them up on facebook. In high school 5/6 teachers were probably gifted, but the program was about 50/50 between gifted and people that studied hard enough to get good grades (honor program). The difference was very obvious to me..
 

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It was not like this in elementary school for me.


I also feel like the other elementary kids either did really well or totally bombed out - nothing in between.

I did really well in it during elementary but was fairly frustrated in middle school when parents of 'non gifted' kids started arguing their kids into the program. It became diluted, and they started making the determining factor grades.

Our gifted class teachers were definitely gifted when kids. I've thought about looking them up on facebook. In high school 5/6 teachers were probably gifted, but the program was about 50/50 between gifted and people that studied hard enough to get good grades (honor program). The difference was very obvious to me..

Oh, I was talking about high school, sorry.

I was in the gifted program since elementary, but I don't really remember much from my childhood.
 
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Depends on what your idea of success is....I was one of those 'gifted' kids in elementary school and middle school, all it meant for me was I wasn't so bored in class.

Success wise well I graduated college at 21, been to Australia twice, Tahiti once, travelled through most of the USA, bought a house a few months after I turned 23, and now I'll be 25 in 4 months and I am married 2 cars, and a house. If that is a success story then sure the system works.

But honestly most of the people I know who were in my gifted classes either did what I did success wise or they are college drop out losers. I really don't think you could quantify the benefits of the program. Just my opinion.


I'm the same way... got an internship IT job at 16, bought first house at 19.. I'm 25 and have done very well job-wise, although my grades in high school sucked..
 
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I wonder if any studies have been done on kids that were put into the gifted programs in elementary school?


I feel like we're different.. I feel like I can tell when I meet someone if they were part of the 'gifted' program (sometimes called target, aim, etc).

I know the tests have to do with a different way of thinking but I don't know much about them. I also feel like the kids that got in during middle and high school weren't the same.. They did it by studying and GPA, not the modified logic stuff..


...Thoughts?

Terman did the first real study, but there have been others (especially ones like Oden, who looked at exactly what you're asking). In the last two decades there have been new studies started, but none with the exhaustive work of Terman. Far more interesting have been newer intelligence theories (triarchic, MI, etc) and how they look at gifted children.

You are probably correct about the difference between elementary and high school programs. High school advanced courses or programs are almost always for academic achievement, while elementary programs are almost always for intelligence (or at least precociousness). The two are somewhat correlated, but not nearly to the degree most people think.

Speaking of, gifted is a broad brush. It's generally used to describe kids who are above their peers in some way (usually with about a top 2% mentality). Unfortunately the testing is sporadic and fails to use modern tools and data, and the whole idea fails to acknowledge that differing levels and type of giftedness respond best to entirely different programs (ie they treat someone with a 130IQ basically the same as someone with a 180, even though they're not much alike). There is also next to no accounting for the interplay between cognitive, developmental, and personality psychology...all three of which have important impact on raising a 'gifted' child.

Then again, the programs are significantly different too. When the government gets involved (which is very rare in the last two decades) its usually a program like PAT or direction to groups or special education services. When it's just a local school policy it's often just accelerated learning programs. Unfortunately there is no unification or real support for gifted education (unlike 'special education, which has as incredible focus and funding).

I could give you a first hand account from my perspective, but that type of anecdotal storytelling is hardly conclusive proof of anything.
 

RESmonkey

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I was in gifted for a year in elementary (3rd grade I believe) and in another grade. Also, gifted in high school for the entire program duration (2 years). I'm in college right now.
 

Jeff7

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Gifted program student here, I think it was sometime in elementary school that they took me out of one class for some kind of testing. I remember a few parts of it, such as some trivia type questions, some shape puzzles and spatial testing things, general knowledge questions (What continent is Chile on? I guessed Asia, as I never really paid much attention to country borders; I preferred relief maps.) After that, the gifted program started.
I don't remember much of it from elementary school, except I thought the teacher for the class was pretty:$; I also remember that I was invited to her wedding a few months or years later. Other than that, I only remember a small classroom, with maybe 10 other students.

It was also just nice to get away from the regular class; I didn't really know how to fit in with people my own age. Adults made a lot more sense to me, and I could talk to them without confusing them, as happened to often with kids my own age. Just dealing with the whole "friendly ribbing" thing, sarcasm, and so on from peers - I just didn't get it. Like if someone says, "you're such an asshole," there is vocal inflection present to indicate that it is not serious. I didn't get that. I figured that if you called someone an asshole, you didn't like that person, and that was it. Sarcasm was simply lost on me until sometime in my mid teens. Social interaction was an activity for which there was no manual - only constant torment for not possessing an innate understanding of it.


Anyway, most of middle school and high school was spent beating up, killing, and burying any self-esteem or sense of self-worth I had, and I really never hoped for anything good for myself in the future, as I never saw it as a possibility that things would ever improve. Thus college wasn't much of a priority for me, as the last thing I wanted was to endure years of MORE torment at yet another school.
</emo, /wrists, etc>
Twas a miserable time, at any rate.


I did end up going to a community college for 2 years for something I ended up not liking, so that was mostly a waste. About 2-3 more years, I worked a temp job and then retail. Finally, I went to Penn State for mechanical engineering technology.
Now I've got a job at a small LED sign company, despite getting an interview with Sandia National Laboratories. Honestly, the idea of moving to New Mexico was rather scary, as I've almost never left Pennsylvania. It was too big of a change I guess. So, here I am. It's still an entertaining job that doesn't feel like work (I stay late some days just because it's fun), it pays the bills......but it still isn't quite where I might have once hoped to be.

Yeah well, it's what I've usually done: Low-risk decisions, and go with what's easy. I can't say it's "regret" that I feel though. I'm the one who made the decisions, and I live with the results; if I wanted something different, I'd change the pattern of decisions. "Good enough" is good enough.

(In the interests of "brevity," some details are missing from this, but I don't especially feel like typing it all out, nor would anyone read it anyway. Missing detail sampler: I might have liked to go into particle physics instead, maybe try for a Ph.D. or something, and work with nuclear fusion reactors. Maybe in a parallel universe or somewhere like that....but not this one.)


(Also, it's surprising how large of a post can result from a relatively short amount of typing; it's also surprising how very very little of a full thought is expressed even in a large block of text.)
 
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shortylickens

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Once again, I have to push my favorite book on this subject: The Self Esteem Trap.
It talks a lot about this. One of the thing she noted was that seperating gifted kids and treating them special was NOT a good idea.
 

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I absolutely hated being in the gifted classes. Of course I was the last of 6 kids in my family, all having gone through the same schools, so a lot of what I actually hated were the expectations people had of me based on my siblings.

The gifted classes for the most part were a waste of time and pretty much taught me to not take my normal classes seriously. I suffered because of it.
 

TraumaRN

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Once again, I have to push my favorite book on this subject: The Self Esteem Trap.
It talks a lot about this. One of the thing she noted was that seperating gifted kids and treating them special was NOT a good idea.

Well yea it gives them this aura of they are better than others. For whatever reason I didn't like that 'special' attention. But that was my personality. A couple kids who were in my gifted program were the biggest assholes in school and still are when I've run into them.

Actually the whole culture mindset in the 90s and 00s about everyone is a winner no one is a loser etc is what has set my generation up for failure, they think the world should be handed to them on a silver platter...which of course is wrong, the only way you can truly be successful is hard work(unless you have a trust fund)
 

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I entered the gifted program during elementary school (3rd or 4th grade). I did not get into it sooner because I was at a private school during my early elementary years that did not offer a gifted program. I remained in it through high school. I was in the top ten of my HS class and graduated with Latin honors with a BS in CS back in May. Currently a graduate research assistant working on my MS in CS, so I am not successful financially.