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Kids suspended/expelled for playing with airsoft guns

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Golgatha said:
An over reaction by the school to suspend for a year, but they do need to be punished. Sounds like they were taking shots at the kids waiting for the bus besides just the target practice.

OT: If you really want some stupid shit, read up on the HIPPA laws and how your teachers can be sued directly by parents for them even giving out descriptions (not even a name) of students. The government is getting out of control and making criminals out of everyone. For their own safety I'll be sure to completely discourage my boys from pursuing careers in education, even if they're willing to accept half the pay they could get from working in private industry. No wonder the public education system is so messed up. Hell, when I was a kid the Principle had the option to paddle your ass. We need to bring that back now.
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They were playing with the airsoft guns while waiting for the school bus...

Those who were fired on, were participating in the games...

Absolutely nothing wrong with that, imo.

No reason for the school or police to be involved at all. Nothing but ordinary kids playing in the ordinary fashion.
 
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A neighbor saw Khalid shooting the airsoft gun in his front yard. She told the dispatcher, "He is pointing the gun, and it looks like there's a target in a tree in his front yard".

WAVY.com located the 911 caller and spoke to her. She confirmed Khalid was taking target practice using a zombie hunter airsoft gun to kill the zombies. There was also a net behind the target to catch the plastic pellets.

The caller also knew the gun wasn't real and said so, "This is not a real one, but it makes people uncomfortable. I know that it makes me (uncomfortable), as a mom, to see a boy pointing a gun," she told the 911 dispatcher.
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Wow she knew it wasn't a real gun and still called 911. Not the non-emergency line, 911.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I can't see any lawsuit risk for the school over kids playing with airsoft guns in their yard. The incident was called in that way. Airsoft guns. The children of the person who called it in were participating in the airsoft games. They were well aware it was toys.
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Pellet trajectories are not restricted by private property lines. One of the people shot was within 10 feet of the stop so it seems very likely to me that the pellet could have actually made to to the stop itself. Their legal department feels they are liable for the safety of students on the way to\near bus stops. Out of curiosity what legal expertise\information do you have that counters their assertion?

I also don't think the school is looking at this as 'an airsoft gun incident' - merely an incident and that over reactions to all incidents are to be viewed as preferable compared to the risk of under-reacting to an incident that results in national headlines and 9 figure lawsuits

I'm not saying I think the school should have to get involved but with how little personal responsibility people want to take and how litigious our society is (with massive payouts and costly legal defenses) I can certainly understand how this is becoming more and more comon
 
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The issue is if they did nothing and another student got an eye injury waiting for the bus. Then it ends up being a big media stink and attorneys involved.
 
Haha, we had an airsoft game in an abandoned private school that was going to be torn down. School property is the best place for airsoft skirmishes =)

The school district can go to hell.
 
In high school a few of my friends got arrested for aggravated assault for throwing some water balloons out of a car and nailing some kid. Obviously getting wet = near death.
 
Hugo Drax said:
The issue is if they did nothing and another student got an eye injury waiting for the bus. Then it ends up being a big media stink and attorneys involved.
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Well that shouldn't be the school's fault either.

People need to get over themselves, need to stop looking for a billion reasons to sue everyone else, and just take some darn personal responsibility and leave it at that. Geez.

Yet another reason I want to live out in the sticks. No one to whine and complain about every little stupid thing I do. Too bad the internet sucks out there.
 
Exterous said:
Pellet trajectories are not restricted by private property lines. One of the people shot was within 10 feet of the stop so it seems very likely to me that the pellet could have actually made to to the stop itself. Their legal department feels they are liable for the safety of students on the way to\near bus stops. Out of curiosity what legal expertise\information do you have that counters their assertion?

I also don't think the school is looking at this as 'an airsoft gun incident' - merely an incident and that over reactions to all incidents are to be viewed as preferable compared to the risk of under-reacting to an incident that results in national headlines and 9 figure lawsuits

I'm not saying I think the school should have to get involved but with how little personal responsibility people want to take and how litigious our society is (with massive payouts and costly legal defenses) I can certainly understand how this is becoming more and more comon
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On the surface, I'd say the kids should be punished, but a year seems harsh. On the other hand, it's hard to say if the school is really overreacting. We only have one side, the kids and their parents. The school isn't legally allowed to tell their side or share what they know with the general public.
 
BudAshes said:
In high school a few of my friends got arrested for aggravated assault for throwing some water balloons out of a car and nailing some kid. Obviously getting wet = near death.
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the reason for that one is the same as snowballs. people can get knocked over and bang their heads and end up with a serious injury (which has happened). also they are not a willing participant
 
I'm pretty sure this falls under "school activity", so it doesn't matter that it's on private property.

Generally I hate these 0 tolerance rules/laws/whatever but I think this isn't a terrible application of it. Airsoft guns wouldn't be allowed at school, so why should it be allowed at a school function that just happens to be off the property. Would it be OK if this was at a trip to a museum/zoo/other off property function? I don't think so.
 
I could have sworn you got in trouble during school field trips too. Anything school related follows the school rules.
 
Phoenix86 said:
I'm pretty sure this falls under "school activity", so it doesn't matter that it's on private property.

Generally I hate these 0 tolerance rules/laws/whatever but I think this isn't a terrible application of it. Airsoft guns wouldn't be allowed at school, so why should it be allowed at a school function that just happens to be off the property. Would it be OK if this was at a trip to a museum/zoo/other off property function? I don't think so.
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the kids were not at the bus stop. they were on his own lawn.

WAVY-TV reports that 13-year-old Khalid Caraballo and Aidan Clark will face an additional hearing in January to determine if they will be expelled for "possession, handling and use of a firearm" because the guns were fired at two others playing in Caraballo's yard.
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This reads like long-term liberal indoctrination against firearm ownership. Convince children that even toy guns are evil, and they will grow up to not be gun owners.
 
This story that addresses Zero Tolerance extending to private property began on Sept. 9 with a 911 call from a concerned citizen.

A neighbor saw Khalid shooting the airsoft gun in his front yard. She told the dispatcher, "He is pointing the gun, and it looks like there's a target in a tree in his front yard".

The caller also knew the gun wasn't real and said so, "This is not a real one, but it makes people uncomfortable. I know that it makes me (uncomfortable), as a mom, to see a boy pointing a gun," she told the 911 dispatcher.
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Call 911 because you feel uncomfortable?
 
Kadarin said:
This reads like long-term liberal indoctrination against firearm ownership. Convince children that even toy guns are evil, and they will grow up to not be gun owners.
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Exactly. Here's Obama's pet attack dog U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder telling teachers that they need to brainwash kids every single day regarding guns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nM0asnCXD0

All the while Holder sends guns to Mexican Cartels and Obama sends guns to Syrian terrorists.
 
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SparkyJJO said:
Well that shouldn't be the school's fault either.

People need to get over themselves, need to stop looking for a billion reasons to sue everyone else, and just take some darn personal responsibility and leave it at that. Geez.

Yet another reason I want to live out in the sticks. No one to whine and complain about every little stupid thing I do. Too bad the internet sucks out there.
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Unfortunately, this is 21st century America.

Different times, different people. Can't roll back the clock.
 
Golgatha said:
read up on the HIPPA laws and how your teachers can be sued directly by parents for them even giving out descriptions (not even a name) of students.
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What would HIPAA (the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) have to do with any such incident?
 
OutHouse said:
the kids were not at the bus stop. they were on his own lawn.
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"as they waited for the school bus"=school activity. Private property is moot, most bus stops are essentially on private property since kids are generally picked up at the curb of lawns not dedicate bus stops/benches/whatever. 70 yards is pretty far though... I assumed when I read the excerpt it was closer.
 
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