Kid stuck in a chair? whip out your cell phone..

[ch33zw1z]

And?

If being stuck in a chair is "all" that happened to him, he should consider himself lucky.

Teacher filmed him, so what. No harm no foul.

assumption.

We already discussed the so what part. You just don't agree.

 

[radtechtips]

And what did the people in that thread tell me?

But yet you bleeding hearts feel sorry for some kid?

You aren't autistic.

Oh wait...

 

[ch33zw1z]

And what did the people in that thread tell me?

But yet you bleeding hearts feel sorry for some kid?

You're comparing yourself to an autistic 11 year old? Ok, cool. I can get onboard with that.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I get what you're saying. a couple thoughts...

-She wouldn't need a 10-15 minute video to prove what she has to deal with day to day.
-If, IF that's what she was doing, then distributing it to other people inside and outside of the school was the wrong thing to do. Filming it for proof of trouble in the classroom would require the video to be given to a very select few of school officials.
-The principal resigned shortly after the incident, we don't if it was related.

Like I said in my original post, I don't know if we have all the details.

I agree that her providing videos to those not in the administration position was wrong.....cut and dry. I think the principal resigned due to his comments on the recording stating it wasn't an emergency.

As usual with media reports we only receive whatever the reporter feels is important and/or according to their agenda.

 

[VashHT]

And what did the people in that thread tell me?

But yet you bleeding hearts feel sorry for some kid?

Well it's a bit harder to feel sorry for you considering you're an adult and that happened 27+ years ago. It's also pretty hypocritical that you think this kid should just get over it when you can't even do the same.

 

[Texashiker]

You aren't autistic.

Oh wait...

I think that tetanus shot last month is bringing on autism.

 

[radtechtips]

I think that tetanus shot last month is bringing on autism.

Should have been safer with that chainsaw.

 

[Texashiker]

Should have been safer with that chainsaw.

Just because I was careless for a split second does not mean I should be held responsible for my actions.

 

[radtechtips]

Just because I was careless for a split second does not mean I should be held responsible for my actions.

ROFL. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[Attic]

It's inappropriate to a certain extent as part of the reason she filmed could have been to prove that she called the principal and refrained from providing aid. I don't think anyone knows what her intentions were at the time. Who's to say that this was done to prove what she has to deal with on a recurring basis.

I don't think it needs to be made to complicated. She has very little excuse to think of herself first here, whether it be for her own selfish attention/protection/whatever.

Help the damn kid, get it done. Don't film the kid.

I'm bias'd because I see more and more people whipping out cell phones to record people struggling rather than to actually provide help. My intuition tells me these cell phone douchebags are doing it because they'd rather have the attention for catching another person in XYZ situation than actually helping and I find it deplorable.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I don't think it needs to be made to complicated. She has very little excuse to think of herself first here, whether it be for her own selfish attention/protection/whatever.

Help the damn kid, get it done. Don't film the kid.

I'm bias'd because I see more and more people whipping out cell phones to record people struggling rather than to actually provide help. My intuition tells me these cell phone douchebags are doing it because they'd rather have the attention for catching another person in XYZ situation than actually helping and I find it deplorable.

I suggest you read your company's policies as you could end up without a job for providing aid.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I suggest you read your company's policies as you could end up without a job for providing aid.

The teacher may end up without a job for filming a child in need.

I'd rather be fired for helping, instead of being a jerk.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The teacher may end up without a job for filming a child in need.

I'd rather be fired for helping, instead of being a jerk.

My bet is she will be protected by the teacher's union and at most transferred to a different school.

 

[Texashiker]

ROFL. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It is called being a liberal.

Kid gets his head stuck in a chair, its ok little baby, everything will be ok.

Screw that, get the camera and lets upload that to youtube.

 

[HumblePie]

Holy fuck TH. You are a damn moron if you think what the teacher did was right or even thinking that mockery would change the behavior of an autistic kid. My wife's little sister is very autistic and so is my cousins son (not her biological one). I KNOW what autistic kids are like because I'm around them quite a lot because of family members having it. You have no idea of what you are talking about here. An autistic kid sometimes has very little control of their actions once they get something stuck in their head. Even if they know it's bad or the outcome would get them in trouble. They have a massive disassociation in their mental capabilities for connecting a bad outcome to something they really want to do. This is a reason it's very bad to leave an autistic child alone near water. For some reason, a large majority of autistic kids LOVE to be in water. Problem is, many of them drown every year because of it. They know that jumping into a lake in the dead of winter would be bad, but they can't connect that to their desire to jump into a nearly frozen lake or pool. You can tell them that jumping in would hurt or kill them. They can even repeat it back to you if you ask them why jumping in would be bad. But you can take your eyes off them for even a second. Very few have the ability to have the restraint on controlling their desire to jump in the water. My cousin's child is better with that. Last year he was pacing back and forth in front of that pool talking to himself saying, "I want to jump in, but I can't jump in." You could see the strain on his face as he was muttering to himself for hours to hold back he desire to jump in. He was also 14 at the time. My wife's little sister is a completely different story. She was constantly asking, "pool? pool? pool?" as if asking permission to jump in. It was a constant battle to keep her from rushing to the door and jumping in the backyard pool.

The point of those stories is that while they are anecdotal, they are by no means rare or unique cases when it comes to autistic children and their behavior in regards to their desires. They do not see consequences the same way a normal functioning person would. It takes massive behavioral therapy training to get them to even to get a modest amount of self control if they are heavily autistic. Even that is rarely successful for the truly autistic ones.

 

[Moonbeam]

OK, hang on a second and lets see if we can figure out what is going on here. Texashiker sees one thing and most see something else. WTF? Well we know that opposites resolve at a higher level of understanding. We know that, don't we? Well never mind that.

So what could Texashiker be saying and how could it possibly make any sense. How could a brain come to his conclusion.

It is obvious and makes perfect sense to me.

Picture Texashiker as a child with his head stuck in a chair and he is being humiliated and made fun of. Should he lay there with his head stuck in the chair for the rest of his life? No he should not. He should have been surrounded by gentle loving people all of his live, but he wasn't. He was surrounded, if you don't mind me bring it up, by monsters that haunt him just as I am haunted by conservative brain defectives, on this forum, by small minded little bigots that don't like being told who they are.

But he wasn't surrounded by loving folk like all of us should have been, and it makes no sense to lay there crippled by the damage the monsters around us what to do to us.

In short, you have to get very hard to survive among folk who lust to destroy innocence because theirs was taken from them. You have to learn to be armored.

So what Texashiker is recommending for that kid makes perfect sense and is profoundly good advise. He has to get over being weak and learn to be armored. Not the fact is that he will never be able to do this because he's autistic, but if you will just understand where T is coming from you will see that it is good, that he has good intentions. In fact that is how he and all of us managed to survive. We had to get tough and armored to survive a life filled with the intent of others to humiliate us. The result, of course, is that for us as individuals to survive we because extremely insensitive and a part of the vicious pack of those who humiliate ourselves. But because we all know at least on an unconscious level, that being thus and so perverted is bad for the soul, we long for a world in which people are loved and nurtured, some of us at least.

So T is doing the best he can at his level of understanding. He does not know that he no longer needs to be hard and armored as an adult, that all the harm he fears all happened in the past before he became to numb to allow anymore pain. He and most of the world believe that way and because of the darkness of the universe they grew up in, it was the only way they could survive. He wants that child to survive too, just as he did. Love him for that, please.

 

[Texashiker]

So what Texashiker is recommending for that kid makes perfect sense and is profoundly good advise. He has to get over being weak and learn to be armored. Not the fact is that he will never be able to do this because he's autistic, but if you will just understand where T is coming from you will see that it is good, that he has good intentions. In fact that is how he and all of us managed to survive. We had to get tough and armored to survive a life filled with the intent of others to humiliate us. The result, of course, is that for us as individuals to survive we because extremely insensitive and a part of the vicious pack of those who humiliate ourselves.

Ding, ding, we have a winner.

Our ancestors did not kill mammoths by crying and being weak.

Our grandfathers and great grandfathers did not win WW I and WWII by being pussified and babied.

This kid is probably going to be babied the rest of his life. The result will be someone who is weak. Suck it up, toughen up, and get over it.

EDIT

I do not see a single mommy in this picture holding her sons hand. What do I see? I see men, real men.

You do not get real men by turning them into pussies.

 

[Genx87]

Ding, ding, we have a winner.

Our ancestors did not kill mammoths by crying and being weak.

Our grandfathers and great grandfathers did not win WW I and WWII by being pussified and babied.

This kid is probably going to be babied the rest of his life. The result will be someone who is weak. Suck it up, toughen up, and get over it.

EDIT

I do not see a single mommy in this picture holding her sons hand. What do I see? I see men, real men.

You do not get real men by turning them into pussies.

I doubt anybody on that beach has austism either.

 

[Moonbeam]

Ding, ding, we have a winner.

Our ancestors did not kill mammoths by crying and being weak.

Our grandfathers and great grandfathers did not win WW I and WWII by being pussified and babied.

This kid is probably going to be babied the rest of his life. The result will be someone who is weak. Suck it up, toughen up, and get over it.

EDIT

I do not see a single mommy in this picture holding her sons hand. What do I see? I see men, real men.

You do not get real men by turning them into pussies.

I got over getting over it. You won't need the armor if you feel the pain. What we have to do is get over the pain, not be numb to it. There is nothing to protect yourself from as an adult but memory of the past. If you remember you're free. The ego is armor. No ego, no need for it. Jesus went up on the cross to explain that to you. He suffered the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and was reborn in heaven. He asked that God forgive the hard men who tortured him because they didn't know what they were doing. You have to let go of the cross to rise from it. The soul is joy and does not suffer.

 

[Texashiker]

I doubt anybody on that beach has austism either.

Tell me something, when the kid falls off his bike what is going to happen? Maybe gets lost in shopping mall? Maybe cuts himself with a knife,,,,.

Is he going to know how to handle himself, or is he going to break down, start crying and wait form someone to help him?

The teacher filmed the kid, so what? Its not like Chester the Molester kidnapped him.

 

[Genx87]

Tell me something, when the kid falls off his bike what is going to happen? Maybe gets lost in shopping mall? Maybe cuts himself with a knife,,,,.

Is he going to know how to handle himself, or is he going to break down, start crying and wait form someone to help him?

The teacher filmed the kid, so what? Its not like Chester the Molester kidnapped him.

You realize that you are the one making the argument that those men on the beach werent coddled right? Well they also didn't have Autism. Depending on where in the spectrum this kid falls. He may not learn not to do something. Meaning your method of teaching is completely worthless.

Either way the correct thing to do as somebody in a position of authority and as a custodian of that child is to help, not whip out the phone and record.

 

[Texashiker]

Depending on where in the spectrum this kid falls. He may not learn not to do something.

I understand that.

Meaning your method of teaching is completely worthless.

You are assuming the child has a severe form of autism. You are making that assumption to defend your stance.

If the child is in a classroom with normal kids, his disability is not "that" severe. If he can not learn as you suggest, then the kid was in a special school, or in a special class.

I see nothing wrong with what happened. Everyone got a good laugh, the kid got out of the chair and life went back to normal.

If this was a big deal, the kid should stay at home and live in a padded room. Because life is full of bumps, bruises, up, downs and chainsaws.

If the kid does not like getting his head stuck in a chair, he sure aint gonna like getting the crap knocked out of him in football. GOD forbid he plays soccer and gets hit by the ball. Or gets hit with a baseball. Maybe slid into homebase and get a bruise? Oh man, the world is going to come to an end. Maybe fall out of a tree and brake his arm like a lot of other kids?

There are worse things in life in store for this kid.