Seriously, let me know when some bible camp has children pray to a cardboard cutout of Obama.
Thanks for this Butter - BTW I have that fertilizer you requested.
TastesLikeChicken
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Of course they had an agenda. Politicians shouldn't be making plans without one. Was their agenda what those in the fever swamps of the left spout off about? Pffft. If you believe that you are no less a partisan tool than Butterbean.
Well like Yuri Said - you can give demoralized people all the facts and they are still unable to take them seriously
"The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards.
As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to access true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I showered him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures ? even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp ? he will refuse to believe it until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When a military boot crashes his butt, then he will understand, but not before that. That?s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization."
If you could only apply this to both sides of the politcal spectrum, we might have some common ground. Are you trying to say that you escape this "demoralized" category?
For instance, the conservatives would like to kill social programs with their ideology. They would like to demoralize those who rely on the programs so that they will either do what they are told to do or else eventually just die.
Butterbean! The name belies the size of his brain. =)
I hope the Messiah brings us all to heaven! HALLELUJAH!!
I hope the Messiah brings us all to heaven! HALLELUJAH!!
When Uri speaks of "demoralization" he doesn't mean deflated or depressed - he means the abandonment or removal of morals. The Marxists realized a long time ago that a noble nation like the US couldn't be conquered head on. Instead, the sought to degrade and corrupt the institutions and character of the people.
The military, the family, patriotism etc. - all these had to be ridiculed and debased. At the same time lower things were glorified and encouraged (easy sex, drugs etc.). The abandonment of conscience, restraint, innocence, moderation etc. was seen as psychological, political and cultural liberation.
A curious thing about this process of corruption is that egotistically once people fall to something they tend not to see it as a fall but rationalize it as something good (freedom, choice etc). They then will often proselytize whatever it is they fell to. People can lose their
humanity and fall into their animal nature with its various lusts and weaknesses etc. Once people do fall to that nature they become very hostile to any contrast or any suggestion anything is wrong with them.
The hostility the homosexual groups have for anyone who wont go along with them is a good example. The Boy Scouts being "evil" and homosexuals being seen as a special, oppressed group deserving protection (from the Boy Scouts even) is a pretty good example of how society gets turned upside down via demoralization. The present impulse to expose 5 yr old children to sex "education" and gender dysphoria (via SIECUS as Obama wans etc) started back with the Marxists of the 1920'a (see Marcuse and Georg Lukács - who first used radical sex ed for kids in Hungary).
What you say about conservatives can be true to an extent. Where extreme liberals tend to encourage spoiling and weakness conservatives in the extreme can just abandon people to problems and impose a rigid conformity. Its as if liberals practice love without principles and conservatives practice principles without love.
But as I said that's in the extreme. Kids need a mother and father because they love and bond differently (the modern abandonment of the differences is one reason for the identity and gender issues we have). Its quite normal for mothers to love their kids without spoiling and its normal for fathers to moderate or discipline their kids without being harsh. The problem is the extremes where mothers spoil for advantage or fathers pressure to impose their egotistical will.
What the Marxists knew however was that its easier to corrupt and appeal to the women - who are seen as the easiest way to alter society since they are more prone to emotional thinking and manipulation. Its easy to guilt trip women that laws are "unfair" etc, and that gov programs (for the children) are needed. Indeed the nanny state is only possible when the men have been neutralized - and they often give in to keep the women happy.
Right now we dont have an extreme conservatism. If people think Bush was an extreme conservative its only because they are so far demoralized and feminized that even a liberal RINO like Bush seems oppressive.
you are so far beyond helping that it's pointless to respond to any of the drivel coming out of your pea brain, welcome to my ignore list
Butterbean is an example of the crazies who project their crazy paranoias onto an enemy, in this case the commies, and attribute what they fear to 'what the commies want to do'.
It's described 50 years ago in the famous article, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (googleable).
It tends to be obsessive, specific, elaborate psychological theoraies and such - oh, those bad guys, they're so capable and determined, oh what will we do!
It's funny how the truth gets lost along the way - for example, how the newly formed USSR, fresh from the Czar, was invaded by the west, including the US.
That act sent a message to the USSR that it had better get its military act together or it would be overthrown. Gee, this led to less than great relations. Who woulda thunk.
It's described 50 years ago in the famous article, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (googleable).
It tends to be obsessive, specific, elaborate psychological theoraies and such - oh, those bad guys, they're so capable and determined, oh what will we do!
It's funny how the truth gets lost along the way - for example, how the newly formed USSR, fresh from the Czar, was invaded by the west, including the US.
That act sent a message to the USSR that it had better get its military act together or it would be overthrown. Gee, this led to less than great relations. Who woulda thunk.
Perfect - you refer to an article written by a Marxist (joined Communist party in 30's) and who said "I hate capitalism and everything that goes with it." (Richard Hofstadter). Geez lol.
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Actually, whether you want to admit it or not, he does have a point.
It was fear that drove the US to go to war in Iraq and not a natural fear, a created fear that the US and UK government had created to get the people in line.
You really should've realised that much by now.
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TastesLikeChicken
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What I've realized, long before you began posting in here, is that while fear was a component it was not a major component. Maybe you can understand what I'm saying if I explain it like this?
Your own job comprises an element of fear; a rather large one. Do you dwell on that fear, or react to it and try to eliminate it pre-emptively whenever possible?
I've never really understood the "fear" argument, personally. Fear is not a bad thing. Besides, natural human reaction to fear is a flight response. We did not flee.
Eskipup isn't a bad person at all (I suspect his/her Mum was overbearing and that creates issues ). He/she isn't consciously a Marxist either but they have absorbed the Marxist mindset - as intended (and this is almost impossible to resist if a person grows up in schools as they are) . It was always the Marxists intention to condition people to accept socialiam/Marxism without really knowing they were accepting it.
The man in video linked in OP describes how all KGB were given copies of Lao Tse so they could learn principle of how to not attack things directly but do a sort of jujitsu. You can see this in Obama who says we must reject failed policies of the past (capitalism/western culture in his mind) and embrace the "new promise" and "New Era of Responsibility" (communism). Obama's true nature and intent is hidden behind his words which seem benign to middling people (the bad guys read him clearly).
I wouldn't off-hand expect Eski to be "eliminated" because he/she isnt really dangerous. If they were they wouldn't be online all the time but would be out creating mayhem somehwere. Most of the regulars around here arent that bad really. Red Dawn, Moonbeam etc - good peeps actually.
Of course the real problem is that once the toothpaste is out of the tube (laws eroded etc - this will happen soon - Obama and Co are dismantling country as we read) we don't know how chaotic things will get. Some people will "wake up" then and re-discover their inner roots then, and awareness and insight always creates a serendipity that can see people through bad times. I'll be in more danger than Eski and it won't be because I am a Marxist.
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