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Keystone XL pipeline - why the fuss?

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They're claiming it will add 40,000 - 119,000 jobs.

That's a mighty big number!

The US State Dept claims it will create 35 jobs. Plus an additional 3,900 temporary jobs to build it.

That's a HUGE difference.
 
piasabird said:
The federal government has been land grabbing for a long time. They hold about 75% of the land in the western states and then try to chase innocent ranchers off of the land.
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Oh Jesus titty-fucking Christ you can't be serious.

Read the history of how the West became States or STFU.


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Looking at photos of all the miles and miles of pipeline stacked up just waiting to be buried makes me a little nervous.
Once underground, who really knows what section is working and what could be leaking?

And the reason the US doesn't do the refining of this Canadian oil, and the oil is just shipped away raw, that should tell you something in itself.
For us, there will be little benefit in the pipeline, financially speaking.
More US jobs would be created with shipping the oil by rail, if jobs are the goal here?

So they, the Canadians, don't want us to refine the oil nor rail the oil.
They want it to flow independently through pipes buried deep underground.
And for us to take all the risk for potential leakage.
I'd listen to the Native American Indians on this one.
They know land and the devastation of land better than anyone else.
They wrote the book.
If they say no, I say no.

It's funny, the republicans in congress.
They hang all their hopes for job creation on this one temporary keystone project.
Yet passing bills on infrastructure i.e. roads bridges rail energy, something republicans will not do, would put millions of Americans to work long term.
And make your ride home from work a lot smoother. And less congested too.
Republican logic... Go figure.
 
Sen. McConnell is calling the XL Pipeline Project the "Keystone Jobs Bill". Typical disingenuous political speak. I've seen so many other bills passed by the Repubs whose title is contrary to what their legislation actually represents. As far as I know, there's no irrefutable factual data on how many permanent jobs in the USA this pipeline will create yet. Until that's cleared up, this "Jobs Bill" should be called what is really is, and not what McConnell wants to brainwash folks into thinking.

Why do sleazy politicians have to resort to such chicanery? It makes them look worse than they really are, if that's even possible.

Meh, I really can't see Obama changing his tune after the Repubs take over. There's not enough political damage to him in this issue that can make him take his finger off of the veto trigger.

And with elections being a full two years away, letting the pipeline take its "usual course" through the bureaucratic jungle trail and then let Hillary ride herd on it seems a safe thing for Obama to do.
 
Why do sleazy politicians have to resort to such chicanery? It makes them look worse than they really are, if that's even possible.
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They do it because it works. Americans are retarded. If someone wanted a law making it illegal to switch phone providers, they would call it the Stop Child Pornography Bill. Anyone voting against the law would be trashed in ads. "He voted against the Stop Child Pornography Bill. What is he hiding?" *image of the person's face goes negative*

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Or they'll just make the person look more black to vilify them:

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sportage said:
Looking at photos of all the miles and miles of pipeline stacked up just waiting to be buried makes me a little nervous.
Once underground, who really knows what section is working and what could be leaking?
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They got meters all over the place so leaks can be detected.
And the reason the US doesn't do the refining of this Canadian oil, and the oil is just shipped away raw, that should tell you something in itself.
For us, there will be little benefit in the pipeline, financially speaking.
More US jobs would be created with shipping the oil by rail, if jobs are the goal here?
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Good point, but it will also lead to more environmental damage to ship it by rail, which is what happened in the past 6 years. Pipelines are the most efficient and safest way to ship products.
 
charrison said:
They got meters all over the place so leaks can be detected.


Good point, but it will also lead to more environmental damage to ship it by rail, which is what happened in the past 6 years. Pipelines are the most efficient and safest way to ship products.
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Then let Canada build the pipeline across Canada.
 
Oil is running all over under ground and people are outraged because it can be managed and moved over ground. What kind of logic is that? Those pipes are made secure. I'd like to see evidence of all these massive leaks and damage to the environment that people are claiming will happen if the KXL is approved. People throw more damaging shit out of their car windows everyday. We can have efficiency too, you know.
 
IGBT said:
millions of miles of pipe lines and the eco-KOOK clowns take exception to this one.
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"eco-KOOK" like this woman?

"A Texas farmer is back in court today in her continuing challenge of Calgary-based TransCanada’s right to expropriate a part of her farm to build the Keystone XL pipeline.

Julia Trigg Crawford’s hearing before a county court judge in Paris, Texas, is the beginning of a process to challenge TransCanada’s claim to be a common carrier, which in Texas gives it what lawyers call the power of eminent domain, or the right to seize property."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/texas-farmer-fights-keystone-xl-route-1.1151782

Or these farmers in Nebraska?

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/the-untold-story-of-the-keystone-pipeline-war/

Or this Oklahoma farm family?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...transcanadas-keystone-pipeline/article562238/

You seem to present yourself here as something of a conservative so, seems to me you'd have some serious problems with this kind of govt. seizure of private property for the benefit of a large corporation.

Do you care? Or is it all about 'eco-KOOKS' and making points off the 'other team'?
 
compuwiz1 said:
Oil is running all over under ground and people are outraged because it can be managed and moved over ground. What kind of logic is that? Those pipes are made secure. I'd like to see evidence of all these massive leaks and damage to the environment that people are claiming will happen if the KXL is approved. People throw more damaging shit out of their car windows everyday. We can have efficiency too, you know.
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Massive leaks? How much oil will you accept in your drinking water?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century

Oh...here's this too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJHzbR1yIE


And...just in case you think it's just a drip here or a drop there...

https://www.google.com/search?q=oil...v&sa=X&ei=zGxsVICqDIu1ogTn_4LoDg&ved=0CFAQsAQ
 
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BoomerD said:
Massive leaks? How much oil will you accept in your drinking water?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century

Oh...here's this too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJHzbR1yIE


And...just in case you think it's just a drip here or a drop there...

https://www.google.com/search?q=oil...v&sa=X&ei=zGxsVICqDIu1ogTn_4LoDg&ved=0CFAQsAQ
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Holy shit! All this time I thought we used materials that would make these spills impossible.

Guess it's time for me to start paying more attention.
 
Rejected now, revised/re-submitted in Jan'15, approved by the New Turks, vetoed by the President - and then perhaps add one more thing to the "Let Us Sue The President"??
 
inachu said:
LOL!

You see nothing wrong with it?

I hope then you get kicked out of your house so they can tear it down.

I also hope this is/was your childhood home that your parents used to own just to make it that more painful.
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I know several people that get paid quite well (monthly) for allowing pipelines to cross their property. One paid cash for his new vehicle earlier this year with monies he received the past 5 years from the pipeline company.
 
I do find it entertaining that most of the leftists in here so no issue with going against the will of the people. Just like the leftists in Congress. That will work out well for them, sort of like the last election.

And environmentals who would rather see oil transported vial rail or truck is laughable as well. Yeah, its really about the environment. 🙄
 
xBiffx said:
I do find it entertaining that most of the leftists in here so no issue with going against the will of the people. Just like the leftists in Congress. That will work out well for them, sort of like the last election.

And environmentals who would rather see oil transported vial rail or truck is laughable as well. Yeah, its really about the environment. 🙄
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You are thinking short term.

And if you are thinking percentages of what the american people want and what didn't happen how about Background checks at over 90% of americans.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
I know several people that get paid quite well (monthly) for allowing pipelines to cross their property. One paid cash for his new vehicle earlier this year with monies he received the past 5 years from the pipeline company.
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huh i had no idea you get paid for that. were these lines put in after they bought the property? there are tons of natural gas and (1'?) gasoline lines around here crossing lots of properties.
 
PottedMeat said:
huh i had no idea you get paid for that. were these lines put in after they bought the property? there are tons of natural gas and (1'?) gasoline lines around here crossing lots of properties.
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Yes, the lines were installed on property that was owned by the people. The pipeline company negotiated with the owners prior to installing them.
 
xBiffx said:
I do find it entertaining that most of the leftists in here so no issue with going against the will of the people. Just like the leftists in Congress. ...
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The will of the people like the majority that favor a minimum wage increase? The majority that favor higher taxes on corporations and the wealthy? The majority that wants Congress to improve "Obamacare" rather than repeal it? The overwhelming majority that favor background checks for ALL gun purchases? Imposing limits on campaign conributions and third-party spending? Stricter limits on power plant emissions? Abortions? Gay marriage?

Should Congressional Republicans follow the will of the people on issues like these?
 
Newell Steamer said:
Rejected now, revised/re-submitted in Jan'15, approved by the New Turks, vetoed by the President - and then perhaps add one more thing to the "Let Us Sue The President"??
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This stunt sure wasn't going to save Landrew's seat. It will probably pass with the new Senate. I don't think it's worth a veto and the politcal damage that will ensue. There are other fish to fry.
 
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