Key House Democrat Formally Asks For Trump's Tax Returns

[pcgeek11]

Nevermind...

 

[woolfe9998]

Yup, the law is clear and totally unambiguous here. I don't see a Constitutional issue either. Looks like they're going to get them.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Hell- everybody knows Trump is a tax dodging scumbag. His devotees admire him for getting away with it & want to be just like him. Trump probably doesn't want to reveal his returns because he regards his methods as a trade secret.

I really don't like the idea that returns should be used for political purposes. That's another pandora's box. Dems would do well not to go there. I think it's entirely legit to use Trump's returns to understand how changes to tax law could better finance govt at the expense of those with the greatest ability to pay.

You literally cannot have the second part of what you're talking about without the former. That would literally be what that is.

 

[fskimospy]

Just read this article about the issue that contained this line:

The 1924 law does not appear to give the White House any input into whether the IRS furnishes an individual’s tax returns. In fact, the law was written in part to give Congress the ability to scrutinize the tax returns of executive branch officials to investigate conflicts of interest or other potential improprieties because of the Teapot Dome scandal in the early 1920s.

So as to the spirit of the law it was made so Congress could investigate financial conflicts of interest in the executive branch. Getting Trump's tax returns was literally the point of the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-maneuvers-to-block-release-of-trumps-tax-returns/2019/04/04/047b19e0-56f4-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html

 

[zinfamous]

It's clear that 26 USC 6103 allows a couple committees to request any tax return. What isn't clear and will be interesting to watch unfold is:
1. Will the Sec. of Treasury find the request reasonable and grant the request or will he say the request is politically motivated and deny it?
2. How much, if any, of the return will they be able to make public? The law says that they have to be in "closed executive session" and they need the taxpayers permission to disclose information outside of that session.

Of course, watching the TDS suffering fucktards come apart at the seams will be the most fun of all.

The only TDS fucktards around here are you and a handful of others.

 

[kage69]

The only TDS fucktards around here are you and a handful of others.

You just don't understand the oringes of their mushroom love.

 

[soulcougher73]

Just read this article about the issue that contained this line:



So as to the spirit of the law it was made so Congress could investigate financial conflicts of interest in the executive branch. Getting Trump's tax returns was literally the point of the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-maneuvers-to-block-release-of-trumps-tax-returns/2019/04/04/047b19e0-56f4-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html

Patiently waiting for....

By resident Trumptards

 

[IJTSSG]

The law doesn't define a time requirement to comply with a request nor any penalties for ignoring the request. Mnuchin will probably ignore the request until Neal subpoenas the returns at which point this ends up in federal court.

Please note I'm not commenting right/wrong just predicting what I think is about to happen.

 

[zinfamous]

The law doesn't define a time requirement to comply with a request nor any penalties for ignoring the request. Mnuchin will probably ignore the request until Neal subpoenas the returns at which point this ends up in federal court.

Please note I'm not commenting right/wrong just predicting what I think is about to happen.

I like how your signature is nothing but complete nonsense-raving from a mentally-challenged individual. I mean, you have to be functionally injured in some way to actually believe such horseshit that is easily observable to be completely false.

I mention this, because I wonder why such a disturbed, clearly misinformed, generally illiterate person such as yourself would assume that anyone would treat any of your comments as honest ideas or thoughts from a well-meaning, engaged adult with informed opinions. Where does this kind of delusion come from? Your brain is clearly poisoned by decades of trackable, targeted, GOP agitprop. You fundamentally believe your neighbor is a bigger enemy than the North Korean dictator that actually does want to nuke you, the jihadist that actually does want to lop off your head. This is what you believe.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If permitted without challenge, it would mean Congress could request and publicize the returns of all their political opponents selectively, etc

Not legally they can't. Now if there is criminality found then we have a new issue.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The law doesn't define a time requirement to comply with a request nor any penalties for ignoring the request. Mnuchin will probably ignore the request until Neal subpoenas the returns at which point this ends up in federal court.

Please note I'm not commenting right/wrong just predicting what I think is about to happen.

I expect this to end up in court. The law is clear and there is no exemption for "audits" or anything else. The IRS shall surrender these documents per law although it will likely be the courts to tell them when. Of course Trump can defy the law, Congress, the Courts and the Constitutional powers of the other branches and I expect that to happen, but IRS people could find themselves in jail with no pardon from Trump possible until they comply.

 

[IJTSSG]

I like how your signature is nothing but complete nonsense-raving from a mentally-challenged individual. I mean, you have to be functionally injured in some way to actually believe such horseshit that is easily observable to be completely false.

I mention this, because I wonder why such a disturbed, clearly misinformed, generally illiterate person such as yourself would assume that anyone would treat any of your comments as honest ideas or thoughts from a well-meaning, engaged adult with informed opinions. Where does this kind of delusion come from? Your brain is clearly poisoned by decades of trackable, targeted, GOP agitprop. You fundamentally believe your neighbor is a bigger enemy than the North Korean dictator that actually does want to nuke you, the jihadist that actually does want to lop off your head. This is what you believe.

LoL. TDS suffering fucktard patient zero gets triggered by my sig. I love it.

Mission Accomplished.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Just read this article about the issue that contained this line:



So as to the spirit of the law it was made so Congress could investigate financial conflicts of interest in the executive branch. Getting Trump's tax returns was literally the point of the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-maneuvers-to-block-release-of-trumps-tax-returns/2019/04/04/047b19e0-56f4-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html

It's possible that Trump's people refuse to comply and then the House has two options which aren't mutually exclusive. Anyone who prevents the lawful release to the appropriate person under law can be hauled off to the Congressional jail to live out their lives or comply. The next option is to take it to the SCOTUS, and even with Kavanaugh, the law is clear and as you say directly related Exec. Branch corruption and as it is not a Constitutional prerogative for a President to shield his personal information not related to matters of state, there is no basis for refusal.

So let's assume what is the most probable outcome- He tells the SCOTUS and Congress to eff off. Republicans won't impeach no matter what, however neither they nor Trump can prevent the SCOTUS or Congress arresting all Treasury employees who interfere in the lawful process. Either Federal Marshals or the Sgt. at Arms of Congress (with the assistance of the DC police, something that is their duty by law) and take these people into custody.


Of course Trump can pardon them, however that is for a criminal sentence. If they are taken in for contempt they can be pardoned perhaps but sit out as long at it takes for them to cooperate. This will play well for the Trumpettes who would vote for him if he actually committed treason or was a serial killer, however they aren't going to be a majority, not even in an Electoral College sense.

At this point I'd be hauling in Sanders, Trump's attornies and everyone else to cite the specific law that allows Trump to refuse a lawful order or to obstruct the IRS.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I would hope if they were proof that he engaged in salacious activity that the IRS would have caught it by now.

The IRS does not care about salacious, or even straight up criminal, activity as long as you pay your taxes on it. The IRS does not have the manpower, nor is it commissioned, to investigate if reported income was obtained legally or not (with the exception of a few tax related crimes).

Unless he out and out lied on them, I'm sure he has someone do his taxes for him so he could plead ignorance.

Legally it would not matter. You are ultimately responsible for your tax returns, no matter who does them. In the end Trump himself has to sign the form saying that he has reviewed the forms, and vows that all the information reported is accurate and that he approves of it.

How about "I feel that my taxes are none of your business" sheesh.

Because practically everyone would reply that if you want to be President then your taxes are our business. Otherwise we don't feel comfortable handing you the position of the most powerful person in the United States, if not the world.

The law doesn't define a time requirement to comply with a request nor any penalties for ignoring the request. Mnuchin will probably ignore the request until Neal subpoenas the returns at which point this ends up in federal court.

It would be an extremely dangerous thing for the Treasury to do. Congress could respond by opening up an impeachment charge against Mnuchin, Rettig, or Trump and then have pretty much unlimited power to seize any government documents they want, even if the impeachment goes no where in the Senate. It is no doubt the nuclear option, but Republicans have not really been shy about using that lately, so it might be that Democrats are warming up on it as well.

 

[soulcougher73]

If Trump is a bigly rich as he says he is and has nothing to hide. Just turn over the returns and mock them for doubting you and prove how bigly rich you really are. Like any sane person with zero guilt would do.

But since he doesnt want to, that means you are hiding something and are probably a lying cheating scumbag of a person.

 

[zinfamous]

LoL. TDS suffering fucktard patient zero gets triggered by my sig. I love it.

Mission Accomplished.

lol, I got triggered? Your entire MO is nothing but being triggered by the poisoned nonsense you ingest daily that you call "information." Your damn sig is trigger point after trigger point after trigger point. It's written all over your face. Look how angry you are, man. You'd sooner shoot your neighbor's kid because dad is "a liberal" rather than a truckload of "peaceful" Russians rolling into your neighborhood and declaring marshal law because your Orange Emperor authorized them to do it.

Look at you. You're the worst human, and you make no secret of how proud you are of it.

 

[hal2kilo]

Just read this article about the issue that contained this line:



So as to the spirit of the law it was made so Congress could investigate financial conflicts of interest in the executive branch. Getting Trump's tax returns was literally the point of the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-maneuvers-to-block-release-of-trumps-tax-returns/2019/04/04/047b19e0-56f4-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html

The law is quite comprehensive. You know it's against the law for Trump to talk to either the IRS Commissioner or the Treasury Secretary about blocking the release of the tax returns (5yrs). And it's also illegal for the IRS Commissioner or Treasury Secretary not to report if they've been approached by anybody from the WH regarding blocking the release of tax returns (5yrs). I have no doubt that both of these laws have already been violated.

 

[HomerJS]

The law doesn't define a time requirement to comply with a request nor any penalties for ignoring the request. Mnuchin will probably ignore the request until Neal subpoenas the returns at which point this ends up in federal court.

Please note I'm not commenting right/wrong just predicting what I think is about to happen.

The request didn't go to Mnuchin it went to IRS comish. It would be illegal for SM to order IRS to disobey the law.

 

[IJTSSG]

lol, I got triggered? Your entire MO is nothing but being triggered by the poisoned nonsense you ingest daily that you call "information." Your damn sig is trigger point after trigger point after trigger point. It's written all over your face. Look how angry you are, man. You'd sooner shoot your neighbor's kid because dad is "a liberal" rather than a truckload of "peaceful" Russians rolling into your neighborhood and declaring marshal law because your Orange Emperor authorized them to do it.

Look at you. You're the worst human, and you make no secret of how proud you are of it.

Take it easy Francis, I wouldn't want you to stroke out . You're way too entertaining.
How about some deep breaths. Breathe in. Hold it. Breathe out.
Again.
Again.
Feel better?
Maybe you should go outside and get some air. Might do you good.

Good job!

 

[fskimospy]

It's possible that Trump's people refuse to comply and then the House has two options which aren't mutually exclusive. Anyone who prevents the lawful release to the appropriate person under law can be hauled off to the Congressional jail to live out their lives or comply. The next option is to take it to the SCOTUS, and even with Kavanaugh, the law is clear and as you say directly related Exec. Branch corruption and as it is not a Constitutional prerogative for a President to shield his personal information not related to matters of state, there is no basis for refusal.

So let's assume what is the most probable outcome- He tells the SCOTUS and Congress to eff off. Republicans won't impeach no matter what, however neither they nor Trump can prevent the SCOTUS or Congress arresting all Treasury employees who interfere in the lawful process. Either Federal Marshals or the Sgt. at Arms of Congress (with the assistance of the DC police, something that is their duty by law) and take these people into custody.


Of course Trump can pardon them, however that is for a criminal sentence. If they are taken in for contempt they can be pardoned perhaps but sit out as long at it takes for them to cooperate. This will play well for the Trumpettes who would vote for him if he actually committed treason or was a serial killer, however they aren't going to be a majority, not even in an Electoral College sense.

At this point I'd be hauling in Sanders, Trump's attornies and everyone else to cite the specific law that allows Trump to refuse a lawful order or to obstruct the IRS.

Yeah, I mean he could order people not to comply and then order the justice department not to enforce the inevitable contempt of court orders but then we're basically in a full-on governance/dictatorship crisis over him not wanting to release these things.

I hope he's not that committed, haha.

 

[IJTSSG]

The request didn't go to Mnuchin it went to IRS comish. It would be illegal for SM to order IRS to disobey the law.

Didn't know that. The law says "the Secretary shall furnish". I assumed the request went to him.

 

[hal2kilo]

Didn't know that. The law says "the Secretary shall furnish". I assumed the request went to him.

The IRS Commissioner from the Obama admin was interviewed on, one of the MSNBC shows last night and said that IRS Commissioner and Sec. of Treasury are interchangeable in these regards legally.

 

[hal2kilo]

What is he slow on the draw, lives in a fantasy world where he thought it wouldn't come to this. Nah, it's all delay, delay, ....2020.

Just now hiring law firm to fight turning in tax returns

 

[fskimospy]

What is he slow on the draw, lives in a fantasy world where he thought it wouldn't come to this. Nah, it's all delay, delay, ....2020.

Just now hiring law firm to fight turning in tax returns

And remember, he really wants to show everyone his tax returns, he just can’t because they are under audit.

That’s why he will be spending thousands or millions desperately fighting to not release the thing he’s totally fine with releasing.

 

[JSt0rm]

why do the righties not want his taxes released? Do they think he is a lying crook but dont care?